Juan Mata

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Sign him back for no 10, if Jose take MU job and Hazard leaving this summer?

[Jase 43,479]

Mata sent off.

[manpe 10,861]

Manchester United midfielder Juan Mata: "I earn an obscene amount of money - footballers live in a bubble"

 

Good man 

[Essien19 1,415]

Manchester United midfielder Juan Mata: "I earn an obscene amount of money - footballers live in a bubble"

 

Good man 

'That happens to all of us, but then you start to notice it in the younger players. You see kids who think they’re rock stars, wearing extravagant clothes and driving fancy cars and sometimes you have to take them aside and have a word.'

Who is he talking about?

Memphis?! [emoji2]

I think he's the best example.

[manpe 10,861]

37 minutes ago, Essien19 said:

'That happens to all of us, but then you start to notice it in the younger players. You see kids who think they’re rock stars, wearing extravagant clothes and driving fancy cars and sometimes you have to take them aside and have a word.'

Who is he talking about?

Memphis?!

I think he's the best example.

He is definitely one of many examples he could bring. Our own Josh McEachran is another, thought he was a made man too soon.

[DYC. 7,542]

I've never understood the footballers earn too much money argument. Football generates a ridiculous amount of money. Those who play the game professionally are responsible for that money. They get a cut out of the pot of money. We, the fans, are the ones making them so obscenely rich. We watch, we obsess.

Mata's right bout youngsters earning too much. That's a real problem. They're millionaires before they've even achieved anything. And that money will affect and change the great majority. It opens up a world most of us can only imagine. But I don't think that will be changing anyvtime soon though. Proper guidance, keeping a close eye on the players and strict rules concerning behaviour and presentation might help.

[manpe 10,861]

43 minutes ago, DYC. said:

I've never understood the footballers earn too much money argument. Football generates a ridiculous amount of money. Those who play the game professionally are responsible for that money. They get a cut out of the pot of money. We, the fans, are the ones making them so obscenely rich. We watch, we obsess.

Mata's right bout youngsters earning too much. That's a real problem. They're millionaires before they've even achieved anything. And that money will affect and change the great majority. It opens up a world most of us can only imagine. But I don't think that will be changing anyvtime soon though. Proper guidance, keeping a close eye on the players and strict rules concerning behaviour and presentation might help.

You're right in terms of football making insane money and salaries being proportionate, but this is where something is fundamentally flawed in society. Entertainment industries are rewarded far too kindly, when in reality they bring nothing progressive to the world. Yes, entertainment is all good fun and necessary, but the gap between people doing real useful work for society and people who kick a ball about for our amusement is far too big. But this is how things work nowadays - the more appearances you make on telly in between commercials and the more people your status/brand attracts to watch those commercials, the more handsomely you are rewarded. Regular folk, who work their asses off and are having trouble making ends meet, are cast aside, because they don't generate any significant revenue to the fat cats, and are therefore insignificant. As I said, this system is fundamentally flawed like the world itself, but within the established multibillion entertainment and advertising industries the players' wages do make sense.

We just have to accept that there is no justice, equality or reward based on merit. Television clowns are more important than, say, scientists, architects, engineers, doctors, teachers, soldiers, police officers, firefighters, regular do-gooders who make the world a better place day-by-day etc.

[Tomo 21,733]

2 hours ago, manpe said:

You're right in terms of football making insane money and salaries being proportionate, but this is where something is fundamentally flawed in society. Entertainment industries are rewarded far too kindly, when in reality they bring nothing progressive to the world. Yes, entertainment is all good fun and necessary, but the gap between people doing real useful work for society and people who kick a ball about for our amusement is far too big. But this is how things work nowadays - the more appearances you make on telly in between commercials and the more people your status/brand attracts to watch those commercials, the more handsomely you are rewarded. Regular folk, who work their asses off and are having trouble making ends meet, are cast aside, because they don't generate any significant revenue to the fat cats, and are therefore insignificant. As I said, this system is fundamentally flawed like the world itself, but within the established multibillion entertainment and advertising industries the players' wages do make sense.

We just have to accept that there is no justice, equality or reward based on merit. Television clowns are more important than, say, scientists, architects, engineers, doctors, teachers, soldiers, police officers, firefighters, regular do-gooders who make the world a better place day-by-day etc.

And why has the TV deals struck football? Because of the amount of fans it attracted in the first place.

The people who pay Doctors and Nurses can't afford to pay them 200k a week, If however 40,000 fans started watching them in work weekly and started buying their merchandise, their wages would quickly shoot up to astramoinical levels aswell.

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7 minutes ago, Tomo said:

And why has the TV deals struck football? Because of the amount of fans it attracted in the first place.

The people who pay Doctors and Nurses can't afford to pay them 200k a week, If however 40,000 fans started watching them in work weekly and started buying their merchandise, their wages would quickly shoot up to astramoinical levels aswell.

Yes, exactly. Doctors would need to wear company logos on their smocks as well and have product placements in O.R, with 15 minute commercial breaks during operations. As I said, something is fundamentally wrong when such are our priorities and when advertising industry is one of the most powerful in the world. Don't think anybody can argue with that, unless you profess that telly clowns and jocks deserve what they earn while people with practical input in making the world go round are just an afterthought. It isn't just limited to football, all entertainment industry is blown out of proportion. It is more of an economic-philosophical discussion and points can be made against capitalism, you can agree with the ways things are set up, it is your right, but me and Mata don't agree (even though he is inside the system reaping rewards). Money, to some extent, is also destroying football. Salary caps should be introduced.

[Essien19 1,415]

6 hours ago, manpe said:

He is definitely one of many examples he could bring. Our own Josh McEachran is another, thought he was a made man too soon.

Josh was hyped up, but i can't remember seeing photos of him in nightclubs, fancy cars and so on. He always looked like the boy next door, imo.

Memphis on the other hand is definitely enjoying it too much:
his extravagant outfits have to do the talking for him, partying in Rotterdam -models everywhere, and you know that there must be something seriously wrong
when you can't decide whether to take the Rolls or the Hummer for your ride. Expensive and flashy, that's the main things.
It looks like that he doesn't give a fuck, proper 22 year old mercenary, Van Gaal can't control him, maybe Jose can, we'll see.

5 hours ago, manpe said:

 Television clowns are more important than, say, scientists, architects, engineers, doctors, teachers, soldiers, police officers, firefighters, regular do-gooders who make the world a better place day-by-day etc.

Not every footballer is on the big bucks, only the specialists, they do what most people simply can't.

If you're world class in your field, unique, and know how the game works, you'll most likely end up on the bright side of life (if you want money).
A friend of the family is a heart surgeon, yes, education took a long time, had to put in the hard work for quite some years,
but around 40 a hospital from the United Arab Emirates made him a huge offer..
health is the most important thing in this life and rich people pay, a few years and he can live like a king, where ever he goes with his family.
A doctor can work at least till his 60ties, so you can imagine the paydays.

Engineers, Silicon Valley,  nuff said.

A friend of my sister played in the Bundesliga, but only short-term, a knee injury prevented him from taking his fair share out of the honey pots.
So if you wanna play professional footie, fair play to you, but the risk is there, health has and always will be more important than money,
if you're not good enough for the first or second division in the top 5 leagues, shit hits the fan, friends start working as engineers, doctors, what do you have?!

Becoming a teacher at school is easier (no disrespect meant), but he can spend more time than those 'high potentials' with his family
Grandpa would do it, if he was offered the chance again, but life doesn't stop for anybody.

Appreciate what you have, it ain't that bad, let the others do what they want. (yes, typical on Insta, sorry ).

[King11Didier 916]

I'd love to see him again in Chelsea. A great man and footballer. Should've never been sold, but mou's things... He was one of the not many good things that AVB made for the club
But I don't think there is a big chance of coming back here, maybe he will go in Spain and I'm sure the team which buy him won't make a mistake.

[Special Juan 27,424]

We've been there and done that, I don't want him back. He did well here, he's moved on and we should be looking at players like a Mahrez instead of Mata.

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

I always thought he slows the game down too much, and needs the whole team to be built around him. I wouldn't take him back, we need something different.
Having said that, he's still a top footballer and on top of that, he seems like genuine good person, smart and well mannered, which is always nice to see, there should be more like him.
Hope wherever he goes he can find success.

[The Mak 4,459]

9 hours ago, Blue_Fox_ said:

I always thought he slows the game down too much, and needs the whole team to be built around him. 

Not sure why this absolute nonsense keeps being spouted. Just because Mata was out best player for the first two years he was here does not mean the team was 'built around him'. Since when does being the best player in a team mean that?! If a team was truly 'built around him', someone like, oh I don't know, Nemanja Matic would've played behind him to make up for his defensive deficiencies, but we never got to see such a team...instead we got a running donkey called Oscar. 

Anyway, we managed to finish 3rd with a (bad) team 'built around Mata', supposedly. I wonder how many Chelsea fans would take that now...

[Gilvorak 3,734]

Hands down the most overrated player we've had. In hindsight, Hazard & Torres both made him look a lot better than he was. He has zero influence on games.

 

He thrived as a 2nd striker where he did next to no defensive work. Has been exposed ever since.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

10 hours ago, Blue_Fox_ said:

I always thought he slows the game down too much, and needs the whole team to be built around him. I wouldn't take him back, we need something different.
Having said that, he's still a top footballer and on top of that, he seems like genuine good person, smart and well mannered, which is always nice to see, there should be more like him.
Hope wherever he goes he can find success.

Nah, he's not a top footballer anymore. There's a reason he lost his place to Lingard & can no longer get into the Spanish squad. He just had a fluke season like Ramsey did a couple of years ago.

[Pizy 18,368]

16 minutes ago, Gilvorak said:

Nah, he's not a top footballer anymore. There's a reason he lost his place to Lingard & can no longer get into the Spanish squad. He just had a fluke season like Ramsey did a couple of years ago.

Bullshit, Gil. He's not world class anymore like he was when he was here but he's several levels better than Aaron Ramsey.

Only thing that holds him back is his lack of versatility. When he isn't played in a very specific position his effectiveness drops dramatically. I 100% believe that if he goes to a club and plays strictly behind a prolific striker he'd put up silly numbers.

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

4 hours ago, The Mak said:

Not sure why this absolute nonsense keeps being spouted. Just because Mata was out best player for the first two years he was here does not mean the team was 'built around him'. Since when does being the best player in a team mean that?! If a team was truly 'built around him', someone like, oh I don't know, Nemanja Matic would've played behind him to make up for his defensive deficiencies, but we never got to see such a team...instead we got a running donkey called Oscar. 

Anyway, we managed to finish 3rd with a (bad) team 'built around Mata', supposedly. I wonder how many Chelsea fans would take that now...

I can't seem to find the sentence in which I wrote, nor implied "Our team back in 2012 was built around him." I just can't.
Anyway, Mata, to be effective to his fullest, is a player that needs a team built around him, again, at his fullest.