🇪🇸 Juan Mata

[bushman 2,043]

Lampard has not had a bad run ,Jose knows this ,it is you who is just a fanboy and has no structured meritocrasy are you a communist?

He is twice the player your fanboy fav is in the pivot,look at our first goal on Saturday with the quick FORWARD first time ball from the pivot (Lampard) Mikel NEVER does that.

Funny posting here.

Just one pertinent question. Was Frank playing the holding midfielder, then ? No, he was not. Frank was in control about his positioning during that game, one of his better games, I feel. The old Frank at his best.

[Sheva. 5,373]

This is funny. Mata was the primary "playmaker" for Spain in the olympics and guess what happened to spain.

Mata was the primary playmaker for Chelsea the past 2 seasons and we got 6th and 3rd in a water down EPL.

This season, the EPL is probably as a whole strongest Ive seen and we are fighting for top place again.

It's funny cause Jose had Ozil, a player that wasnt know for his defensive contribution, yet played him as much as any player on RM.

Maybe it's the fact that Mata isnt as good as Chelsea fans brand him out to be.

Look at RDM, guess who he played as the ten.

Look at Del Bosque, Mata isnt never going to be in their 11.

Only one that favored Mata was the Spainard that favored Torres as well.

And Guess what. Guess who our favorite manager AVB wanted as his primary signing for Tottenham.

I find it crazy how people cant see the potential in Oscar as a playmaker... But than again, its probably the same players that thought Neymar would flop as well.

Laughable. Because 1 player in an attacking position is always to blame for others failures all over the pitch.

AVB fucked our season with his tactics and problems with the old guard the season we finished 6th. Mata and Sturridge were excellent by all measures before that.

I really will never understand this thinking that Mata is to blame for those past seasons, when we've had managers far worse than our current one this season, we have better depth than we've had in those seasons. Torres is playing better than he did in those past seasons. Just so many factors people like to ignore to suit their "agenda" (my new favourite word thanks to TOPTB).

Also about Ozil, i believe he played so much due to the lack of options, only old Kaka was his competition. He was always subbed early to his disapproval, and Mourinho has since said he tried to sign Kagawa and Oscar to compete with him.

[lionsden 4,689]

It tells you how good Oscar is if he is keeping Mata out of the team. Saying that I don't think Hazard has been exceptional either so maybe Mata for Hazard.

Wrong. it tells us how much importance Mourinho places on players with high workrate.

[Special Juan 28,141]

Wrong. it tells us how much importance Mourinho places on players with high workrate.

Yes it does but my point is that is how good Oscar has been not just on workrate, but what he has created both with goals and his assists.

I still think he should be challenging Hazard for his starting roll, Hazard has not been good of late and Mata for me deserves a chance.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Wrong. it tells us how much importance Mourinho places on players with high workrate.

Doesn't that equate to the same thing though? Unless we are talking about the players alone and removing the tactical adaptability coefficient out of them.

[lionsden 4,689]

Doesn't that equate to the same thing though? Unless we are talking about the players alone and removing the tactical adaptability coefficient out of them.

Does it? well I rather prefer lazy and slow playmakers like Zidane,Riquelme,mata et al to the highly mobile workhorse, playmaker wannabe like Oscar.

Majority of legendary playmakers and DLP's of the past and present aren't known for their work rate. if you do your primary role incredibly well, it more than makes up for your deficiencies. I prefer my playmakers to excel at actually creating chances and playmaking rather than running around the pitch like headless chickens.

[Jase 43,479]

Yes it does but my point is that is how good Oscar has been not just on workrate, but what he has created both with goals and his assists.

Oscar this season - 16 appearances in all competitions (14 starts and 2 subs), scored 6 goals and has just 2 assists with none coming in the Premier League...

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Does it? well I rather prefer lazy and slow playmakers like Zidane,Riquelme,mata et al to the highly mobile workhorse, playmaker wannabe like Oscar.

Ah in a system where you don't need attacking work-rate then fine. Riquelme worked hard under Pellegrini though, didn't he?

Playmaker wannabe? hmm, alright .

[Sidzeret 2,257]

December could decide his future at Chelsea. With 9 games, i'm sure Mata will get atleast 5 starts.

He need to perform the way the team needs him, on the wings or in the hole. Performance guarantees his place in the starting eleven.

or he is as good as gone in Jan. No pressure, Juan

[bushman 2,043]

Now I read, Jose states he can not play Mata, Oscar & Hazard all together.

Well, if that´s the case, then play Mata tonight & rest Oscar, it´s simple as that.

Mata, Schurrle, KDB were rested, play them tonight!

[Korea 734]

Laughable. Because 1 player in an attacking position is always to blame for others failures all over the pitch.

AVB fucked our season with his tactics and problems with the old guard the season we finished 6th. Mata and Sturridge were excellent by all measures before that.

I really will never understand this thinking that Mata is to blame for those past seasons, when we've had managers far worse than our current one this season, we have better depth than we've had in those seasons. Torres is playing better than he did in those past seasons. Just so many factors people like to ignore to suit their "agenda" (my new favourite word thanks to TOPTB).

Also about Ozil, i believe he played so much due to the lack of options, only old Kaka was his competition. He was always subbed early to his disapproval, and Mourinho has since said he tried to sign Kagawa and Oscar to compete with him.

Ozil played cause he was the best cam in the world. You believe cause you followed Real right? Your prob. dont.

He was subbed caused he didnt have good stamina and Barca, Real, United all tried to signed Oscar prior to Chelsea involvement.

I dont blame Juan Mata for the past 2 seasons. However, I dont hype Mata up to be world class like this board did with our players (esp. Luiz).

You should make more comments about how Chelsea played beautiful football last season. Even though we scored more goals in the month of Nov. already this season in comparison to last season.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Does it? well I rather prefer lazy and slow playmakers like Zidane,Riquelme,mata et al to the highly mobile workhorse, playmaker wannabe like Oscar.

Majority of legendary playmakers and DLP's of the past and present aren't known for their work rate. if you do your primary role incredibly well, it more than makes up for your deficiencies. I prefer my playmakers to excel at actually creating chances and playmaking rather than running around the pitch like headless chickens.

If we're talking about Zidane then you have to recognise the physicality of his game and out of our two playmakers, Oscar far more closely resembles that type of skill set than Mata in my opinion. I think you're portraying Oscar has simply being a workhorse when he's quite simply one of the best passers of a ball that we have in our team. He might not be making that final pass as consistently as Mata but he's remarkable at bringing other players into the game and he's also added goals to his game.

Ultimately it comes down to who makes us a better team. At the moment it's Oscar. I see people moaning about his lack of an end product and it reminds me of some of the criticism directed at Ronaldo in his first 100 games at United. But United had the will and the support of the fans to stick with a young player with amazing potential - it would be nice if our fans did the same.

[Korea 734]

Does it? well I rather prefer lazy and slow playmakers like Zidane,Riquelme,mata et al to the highly mobile workhorse, playmaker wannabe like Oscar.

Majority of legendary playmakers and DLP's of the past and present aren't known for their work rate. if you do your primary role incredibly well, it more than makes up for your deficiencies. I prefer my playmakers to excel at actually creating chances and playmaking rather than running around the pitch like headless chickens.

Mourinho played Ozil at Real and Deco at Porto.

Mata was never known as a playmaker until Silva left Valencia. He was brought up to be a striker in Spain.

SO.....

[bushman 2,043]

Chelsea played beautiful football last season, when ?

Somehow, I lost my memory though,

[Sheva. 5,373]

Ozil played cause he was the best cam in the world. You believe cause you followed Real right? Your prob. dont.

He was subbed caused he didnt have good stamina and Barca, Real, United all tried to signed Oscar prior to Chelsea involvement.

I dont blame Juan Mata for the past 2 seasons. However, I dont hype Mata up to be world class like this board did with our players (esp. Luiz).

You should make more comments about how Chelsea played beautiful football last season. Even though we scored more goals in the month of Nov. already this season in comparison to last season.

I watch Real more than any club after Chelsea, I know about his stamina problems, but the fact Mou wanted 2 good players in his position proves to me he wanted something different even though both would initially start out as backups

The last bit lol, and at the end of the season you can take any other 1month in isolation and we'll score less goals than last season.

[Korea 734]

I watch Real more than any club after Chelsea, I know about his stamina problems, but the fact Mou wanted 2 good players in his position proves to me he wanted something different even though both would initially start out as backups

The last bit lol, and at the end of the season you can take any other 1month in isolation and we'll score less goals than last season.

Well, Chelsea has struggled this month more than any month.

And the fact people want Oscar head for Chelsea struggle the past few games, So, Im just saying we scored more goals already in less games.

[The only place to be 11,313]

I really will never understand this thinking that Mata is to blame for those past seasons, when we've had managers far worse than our current one this season, we have better depth than we've had in those seasons. Torres is playing better than he did in those past seasons. Just so many factors people like to ignore to suit their "agenda" (my new favourite word thanks to TOPTB).

You seem to be confused. People don't blame Mata for that season, but they recognise there might be a connection between the tactics that brought Mata good stats and us having poor seasons in the league. Often the attack and defence were like complete strangers and we very rarely looked like a proper team. We'd have to hope for moments of inspiration from one of our attackers whereas now we're actually looking like 11 players pulling in the same direction.

Oscar has been key to that in my opinion because he knits the team together so well. He might not be the playmaker some people want but he might just be the playmaker we need.

[Sheva. 5,373]

You seem to be confused. People don't blame Mata for that season, but they recognise there might be a connection between the tactics that brought Mata good stats and us having poor seasons in the league. Often the attack and defence were like complete strangers and we very rarely looked like a proper team. We'd have to hope for moments of inspiration from one of our attackers whereas now we're actually looking like 11 players pulling in the same direction.

Oscar has been key to that in my opinion because he knits the team together so well. He might not be the playmaker some people want but he might just be the playmaker we need.

There is no confusion, people could have mentioned tactics but no, they talk about Mata and how he was "only" the best player on a 6th placed side.

And since I am no mind reader I only talk on what they post, not what you think they meant.

[Sheva. 5,373]

Well, Chelsea has struggled this month more than any month.

And the fact people want Oscar head for Chelsea struggle the past few games, So, Im just saying we scored more goals already in less games.

Fair enough. But we have a better manager and better depth than previous seasons, an improvement in our November fortunes should be expected.

[yuvala 2,167]

December could decide his future at Chelsea. With 9 games, i'm sure Mata will get atleast 5 starts.

He need to perform the way the team needs him, on the wings or in the hole. Performance guarantees his place in the starting eleven.

or he is as good as gone in Jan. No pressure, Juan

I seriously doubt that..