🇪🇸 Juan Mata

[Jase 43,479]

The amount of shit we got in the press and from other fans about us selling our 'best player' always meant there'd be some comments about how much we don't actually miss Mata.

Most of us are just happy that our manager and our club seem to have been proven right.

But is there any need to reiterate what we already know, like Mata doesn't suit yesterday's game with us? When people talked about him previously, others said get over it. He's gone, Chelsea goes on bla bla bla and now this. The fact that we are winning games and people still find the need to talk about him.

Just get over it.....

[The only place to be 11,313]

But is there any need to reiterate what we already know, like Mata doesn't suit yesterday's game with us? When people talked about him previously, others said get over it. He's gone, Chelsea goes on bla bla bla and now this. The fact that we are winning games and people still find the need to talk about him.

Just get over it.....

Most of us are just enjoying the fact that we've proved the 'experts' wrong. It's not like we're pining for him to come back or finding it painful that he's wearing another team's shirt. It's just a bit of banter.

[Jase 43,479]

Most of us are just enjoying the fact that we've proved the 'experts' wrong. It's not like we're pining for him to come back or finding it painful that he's wearing another team's shirt. It's just a bit of banter.

Judging from the comments above, hardly seem like a banter.

[duo11bluecl 207]

In a way I think we should all feel sorry for him. He is a REALLY NICE GUY in person, a great player(not among the best in the world yet and probably never will be) but a really good player who can play really well when on form and GOT THE TEAM BUILT AROUND HIM. 6 months ago after the rumors of Jose going back, we could all imagine Jose making him the spear head, the heart of his new team like he did with Ozil but the exact opposite happens and 5 months later he was sold. If you ask someone at that moment in time would you take Jose or Mata, I am sure the majority would have said the latter.

But now if Jose decides to sell Hazard, I would have no objection to that BECAUSE THE MAN KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING AND HE WILL BRING IN REPLACEMENT. It just shows that no matter how good of a player you got, if he doesn't fit into the manager's plan he is as good as useless as we found out with Mata. But in a sense it must be disheartening for him, yes it is not his fault that he cannot change his style. If your owner wants to buy a rhino instead of a bull then you just pretty much have to agree with him, no matter how strong the bull or how hard it has worked for you over the year.

From potentially challenging for multiple BPL, CL and cups to now probably fighting for 4th every season. Yes he gets a lot of money more(double his wages apparently) but he loses pretty much everything else. MU doesn't even plan to build the team around him with Shrek and Injury prone Persie up top. He is in that right side again where I don't think he likes or practically effective at.

So tough luck to him, but I really can't disagree with Jose, one of the best manager in modern history. In 20 years we would be looking at him and say how lucky we had him, just like MU who are now in rapid decline thought after Sir Alex retired.

[jmarlow 458]

Some people just can't get over Mata...

LOOL! so have you finally got over him now?

[Rambo 1,729]

Unlike Sturridge, I won't be missing Mata because we already have the players to fill his position.

[Jase 43,479]

LOOL! so have you finally got over him now?

Not gonna go into a petty argument about this again. Like I said before, takes time to move on. Maybe I have, maybe I haven't but that's hardly the point here. Just find it funny people keep on talking about Mata when some said "get over it" previously.

[bababoom 4,478]

Gary Neville was spot on Yesterday

"You can see the way in which Jose Mourinho is taking this team," he added.
"You can see it in this last month or so; Willian and Hazard have energy, desire, power and strength. We are seeing it with our eyes. Tonight he left Oscar out because he's got players in the team like Ramires who was big tonight.
"When you put a world-class centre-forward in that team, which I'm sure Chelsea will do in the summer, you have got a real top-class team on your hands.
"Jose Mourinho has said they are not quite there yet and thinks Manchester City are still ahead of them; I can't disagree with him, but they're not far behind. They are coming on the right lines - for what he wants anyway.
"Would he tolerate a David Silva? I don't think he would. You see Willian and Hazard and the way in which they work and the work of Ramires tonight. I think Chelsea were brilliant all night.
"Full-backs have got to be wingers and wingers have got to be full-backs. There's no excuse any more. There is too much evidence in the way the game is going to say 'we will have a luxury player on the left or right'. Unfortunately not - not at the top level.
"There's a lot of evidence in the last 12 months, watching Dortmund and watching Munich and tonight with Chelsea; that's the way the game is going."

[YouNameIt 1,511]

They did want to keep him, had he not wanted to go, i am almost certain he would not have gone; Mata wanted an easy way out and Utd were willing to pay silly money for him. Ah well...what a pity...nevermind...

And you know this how? You got some inside information?

Considering how little Mata was played, Id say its pretty clear that Chelsea (or Mourinho) didnt want to keep Mata, especially not considered the bid from United.

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And you know this how? You got some inside information?

Considering how little Mata was played, Id say its pretty clear that Chelsea (or Mourinho) didnt want to keep Mata, especially not considered the bid from United.

he did play a ton more than some others who deserved to play way more than mata did. however mata decided to go the easy way (even though mourinho and the team wanted to keep him) and double his wages by joining our rivals.

im not expecting (or hoping) but it wouldnt surprise me if he got 'figo treatment' the next time utd plays @ stamford. dont see how this is any different than it..

[bababoom 4,478]

Some posts on Redcafe (I know) regarding Mata, this was after our magnificent performance against City.

I know I will get blasted for this but I'm sure I can't be the only one.

I loved signing Mata. I was over the moon when we managed to get him. Absolutely buzzing. But the last two days have had me thinking...

I mean, he really does almost next to nothing off the ball. This means that we're going to need runners around him. Van Persie isn't that. So we've essentially got 2 players that don't move about too much. Is this enough for the biggest games? I don't know. I don't think so. I think we will need to change our team drastically in the summer in order to compensate for Mata. He's a brilliant player on the ball but off the ball we can pay for this.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who has noticed this.

You're not the only one. Mourinho's issues with Mata have not disappeared because he plays for United now. It would matter less if he was deployed behind the striker. But out wide, we will have a problem going the other way, especially with a poor midfield to cover.
My other reservation, although this is not a reservation about Mata directly, but as a team on the whole, is the lack of pace and penetration in behind going forward. Ozil was great but they also have a Walcott.

- An attack built on Rooney, Mata, Janujaz and RVP is too slow to be successful
- There is no formation that will work with our current full backs, and Mata and Janujaz. Not enough defensive nous with those 4 on the flanks

Mata is not the kind of player Ferguson was after in recent seasons. We should've spent 37 million on a faster, more dynamic attacker (as excellent as he is)

Some of them have come to the realisation that a front four of RVP, Rooney, Mata and Januaj was never actually possible if they want to win big matches... It looked good on paper, but so did Oscar, Mata and Hazard. it worked against smaller sides but we were embarrassed in Europe.

Oh yeah and the best for last..

Briefly touched upon in the 'Unpopular opinions thread', but thought worthy of its discussion. You know that feeling when you spent a good chunk of money on something, then immediately feel buyer’s remorse? That’s how I’m feeling with Mata.

Don’t get me wrong, he’s a bloody brilliant footballer, and would improve almost every team in the world. Almost.
I think it’s generally accepted that our ‘desired’ front 4 is a 3 of Rooney/Mata/Janujaz in behind RVP, with Kagawa able to slot in too as a sub. Undoubtedly that is the most technically adept front 4 players in our squad, possibly the most adept we’ve ever had. But there seems to be a serious lack of pace if they’re all together. It’s not that they’re slow per se, but I fear we’ll lack the ability to stretch defenses. Especially if Rooney is the most withdrawn.

It would be a huge shift from the way we’ve played for absolutely ages – which is to force the defensive line back because our wingers are rapid and can easily exploit space with through balls or balls over the top.

I worry that with the lack of pace teams would be able to compress our attack even more, and negate all the ability of those 4. An ideal system would really be 2 incredibly technical players, and 2 very rapid ones imo.

[YouNameIt 1,511]

he did play a ton more than some others who deserved to play way more than mata did. however mata decided to go the easy way (even though mourinho and the team wanted to keep him) and double his wages by joining our rivals.

im not expecting (or hoping) but it wouldnt surprise me if he got 'figo treatment' the next time utd plays @ stamford. dont see how this is any different than it..

Huh?

Are you trolling now or are you actually serious about what you are writing?

You are SERIOUSLEY telling me that;

1. There are other players in our squad that deserved to play more than Mata? As if Mata didnt deserve to play? PLEASE explain to me why you claim this or Im gonna have you submitted to a mental hospital.

2. You are also saying that Mata played, and I quote you, a TON. Please tell me how much he played under Mourinho.

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Huh?

Are you trolling now or are you actually serious about what you are writing?

You are SERIOUSLEY telling me that;

1. There are other players in our squad that deserved to play more than Mata? As if Mata didnt deserve to play? PLEASE explain to me why you claim this or Im gonna have you submitted to a mental hospital.

2. You are also saying that Mata played, and I quote you, a TON. Please tell me how much he played under Mourinho.

1. mata offers nothing defensively and also sadly enough nothing offensively (this season) 17 games and 1 goal for a guy who offers absolutely nothing defensive stuff. created absolutely nothing, scored less goals than john terry.

2. mata played 17 games. one goal. same amount epl appearances as one of mourinhos favourites azpilicueta by the time he parted. mata really was given tons of chances.

yeah. bossed you pretty well there. talk about knock out.

[Jase 43,479]

1. mata offers nothing defensively and also sadly enough nothing offensively (this season) 17 games and 1 goal for a guy who offers absolutely nothing defensive stuff. created absolutely nothing, scored less goals than john terry.

2. mata played 17 games. one goal. same amount epl appearances as one of mourinhos favourites azpilicueta by the time he parted. mata really was given tons of chances.

yeah. bossed you pretty well there. talk about knock out.

Not that I want to get into your discussion here but to say Mata created absolutely nothing this season is just ridiculous and OTT. That Swansea home game alone was enough to show he has created chances this season but just didn't have a clinical finisher to put it away to have people take note of it. And funnily, those two goals of Terry came was assisted by Mata.

[YouNameIt 1,511]

1. mata offers nothing defensively and also sadly enough nothing offensively (this season) 17 games and 1 goal for a guy who offers absolutely nothing defensive stuff. created absolutely nothing, scored less goals than john terry.

2. mata played 17 games. one goal. same amount epl appearances as one of mourinhos favourites azpilicueta by the time he parted. mata really was given tons of chances.

yeah. bossed you pretty well there. talk about knock out.

No, what you made is make yourself look like an utter fool.

First of all, claiming Mata offered nothing offensively is probably the dumbest thing Ive read on these forums.Clearly you have NO FRIGGIN IDEA what your talking about.

Secondly, saying that Mata got a TON of chances under Mourinho is probably even dumber.

I really dont understand where you are getitng all this? Are you reading this on another forum, some twitter or simply making things up in your mind? Because the statistics, facts and reality simply doesnt agree with you.

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No, what you made is make yourself look like an utter fool.

First of all, claiming Mata offered nothing offensively is probably the dumbest thing Ive read on these forums.Clearly you have NO FRIGGIN IDEA what your talking about.

Secondly, saying that Mata got a TON of chances under Mourinho is probably even dumber.

I really dont understand where you are getitng all this? Are you reading this on another forum, some twitter or simply making things up in your mind? Because the statistics, facts and reality simply doesnt agree with you.

stop already. 17 games 1 goal for a guy who doesnt defend at all is not acceptable.

i dunno man i feel like youre trolling me.

'but he creates chances!! so what if those never lead to goals!!'

the stats are there. hes been horrible this season. just admit it my uppercut connected and you went down. the stats are there.

[YouNameIt 1,511]

stop already. 17 games 1 goal for a guy who doesnt defend at all is not acceptable.

i dunno man i feel like youre trolling me.

'but he creates chances!! so what if those never lead to goals!!'

the stats are there. hes been horrible this season. just admit it my uppercut connected and you went down. the stats are there.

Sorry but you are either trolling or you're simply a dumbfuck.

Go check his stats for chances created and whatnot. Because THAT is/was his primary job.

What you are saying is basically, that if Mata sets up ONE HUNDRED chances for someone else to score 1 inch infront of an open goal, and they miss that chance....then Mata's job and the chance he set up is totally irrelevant. That is just PLAIN FUCKING RETARDED.

[sk21 11]

Sorry but you are either trolling or you're simply a dumbfuck.

Go check his stats for chances created and whatnot. Because THAT is/was his primary job.

What you are saying is basically, that if Mata sets up ONE HUNDRED chances for someone else to score 1 inch infront of an open goal, and they miss that chance....then Mata's job and the chance he set up is totally irrelevant. That is just PLAIN FUCKING RETARDED.

his epl stats this season for chelsea:

13 games, 0 goals 2 assists.

for a guy who doesnt defend thats awful. you want to blame it on others? take hazard for example, guy defends a ton more than mata

24 games, 9 goals 7 assists.

you can keep talking out of your ass all you want but the stats are there. if mata creates chances that never leads to goals and doesnt defend, how is he more useful for chelsea than the other players who a) defend score goals c) assist

like i said you can keep talking out of your ass all you want but the stats are there. always been always will be.

[YouNameIt 1,511]

his epl stats this season for chelsea:

13 games, 0 goals 2 assists.

for a guy who doesnt defend thats awful. you want to blame it on others? take hazard for example, guy defends a ton more than mata

24 games, 9 goals 7 assists.

you can keep talking out of your ass all you want but the stats are there. if mata creates chances that never leads to goals and doesnt defend, how is he more useful for chelsea than the other players who a) defend score goals c) assist

like i said you can keep talking out of your ass all you want but the stats are there. always been always will be.

Dude you are getting on my nerves.

Before you even fucking reply again, do the following:

Look up how many games Mata started/how many MINUTES he played under Mourinho and look at how effective he's been. Chances created and so forth.

The fact that you are comparing Hazard to Mata is just FUCKING LAUGHABLE and keeps proving that you are either trolling or you are simply plain dumb. Hazard has started what, every game for us? LOL

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Dude you are getting on my nerves.

Before you even fucking reply again, do the following:

Look up how many games Mata started/how many MINUTES he played under Mourinho and look at how effective he's been. Chances created and so forth.

The fact that you are comparing Hazard to Mata is just FUCKING LAUGHABLE and keeps proving that you are either trolling or you are simply plain dumb. Hazard has started what, every game for us? LOL

how 'effective' he has been? 13 games 2 assists. hazard has indeed started alot of games because he has been useful. hazard creates chances that lead to goals, defends, assists, scores goals. mata umm i dont know he... he creates chances that sadly dont count for anything. you dont get points/goals for a created chance.

now please explain to me, how are the chances that mata has created (THAT SADLY DO NOT LEAD TO GOALS) more useful than goals+assists+defending that other chelsea players bring? im really stunned with all the shit you talk. just give up already with your shit.