🇧🇪 Romelu Lukaku

[BlueLyon 9,359]

7 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

Yes Drogba performed internationally LATER ON IN HIS CAREER. Van Nistelrooy when he was 25! Villa when he was 28! Your sample size is hardly big enough to make a statement like Hazard and DeBruyne don't/won't improve Lukaku... Makes you sound silly when you say that.

He scored 25 in the hardest competition in the world and did it with absolutely no support, why does that not resonate with you? When they play against top sides link up play is paramount! Who does Everton have to initiate counters or to link the play from defense to offense? Ross Barkley? Idriss Gueye? Tom Davies? Gareth Barry? Don't make me laugh. Football is a fcuking team game! Strikers who don't get service are ineffectual almost all the time! I figured a guy who watches as much football as you claim to would know that.

Wait a minute, are you making the argument that Lukaku isn't a powerful CF? LOL... And nowhere did I say Morata is slow but come on now Lukaku is faster than him, I thought that was widely accepted as a fact? Morata may have better acceleration.

You're stating the obvious, of course I'd rather a guy who can control the ball and link up play while scoring boatloads of goals but Suarez and Lewandowski aren't available. If I had my choice between a donkey who scores 25 goals or a guy with good touch and link up ability, I'd take the goals 90 times out of 100.

Yes I remember Morata scoring against Madrid in the champions league too, and while that is a huge accomplishment... guess what? THAT WAS THREE SEASONS AGO! Two years ago he scored on matchday 1 and 2 and never scored again... Imagine if that were Lukaku?

And yes I can point out his goal scoring record since what we are looking at is a goalscorer. You keep on citing games from 3 years ago... in 2015 Charlie Austin scored more premier league goals than Alexis Sanchez, who would you rather have?

I think leaving to go on loan made him the player he is now, a guy capable of scoring 25 goals largely on his own and one of 4 players to reach 85 goals before turning 24.

 

 

A powerful striker would bully the defences, not vice versa. I saw Lukaku blocked against every better defence, hence I put Lovren example. For someone of his size, he sure isnt taking most advantage of it.  

You only look at goals. Lukaku 24 goals this season, 20 last season etc etc. He could be top striker, he can bang 4 against west brom or Bournemouth. 

Cool. I look his overall play in strikers. I rather stick to Diego or get someone who is much better technical player. Someone who can make others tick better and improve the whole squad. Someone who can be the leading guy in toughest games. Not just someone who needs the service. 

Obviously service is important and no doubt Lukaku would improve here, but he wouldnt turn into world beater individualy. He would still have same limitations as he has now. And since he couldnt do much on his own, he would need all the service from teammates. And if he doesnt score, then he is basicaly useless like Costa in some games. 

While if you have technical striker, you can count on his individual skill and Morata for a striker (at least of those available) is brilliant brilliant choice. 

If you saw Juve bayern last year, you can see how juve got shit after Morata was subbed for Mandzukic. He had huge impact. 

Morata is also twice as hard worker than Lukaku.

 And like you said, every striker can improve goal record later in career. Drogba started banging at 24 in france I think (then he left for Marseille one season and Chelsea at 26). 

Im pretty sure Conte prefers Morata all day long. But the board will end up with Lukaku. I hope you are right he will improve as much you say because in current state, he doesnt offer enough to lead us in CL. But maybe his goals will be enough to retain PL, I give you that. Bar against top 6, we would have a striker very capable of scoring in every game.

[LAM09 7,056]

Yes Drogba performed internationally LATER ON IN HIS CAREER. Van Nistelrooy when he was 25! Villa when he was 28! Your sample size is hardly big enough to make a statement like Hazard and DeBruyne don't/won't improve Lukaku... Makes you sound silly when you say that.
He scored 25 in the hardest competition in the world and did it with absolutely no support, why does that not resonate with you? When they play against top sides link up play is paramount! Who does Everton have to initiate counters or to link the play from defense to offense? Ross Barkley? Idriss Gueye? Tom Davies? Gareth Barry? Don't make me laugh. Football is a fcuking team game! Strikers who don't get service are ineffectual almost all the time! I figured a guy who watches as much football as you claim to would know that.
Wait a minute, are you making the argument that Lukaku isn't a powerful CF? LOL... And nowhere did I say Morata is slow but come on now Lukaku is faster than him, I thought that was widely accepted as a fact? Morata may have better acceleration.
You're stating the obvious, of course I'd rather a guy who can control the ball and link up play while scoring boatloads of goals but Suarez and Lewandowski aren't available. If I had my choice between a donkey who scores 25 goals or a guy with good touch and link up ability, I'd take the goals 90 times out of 100.
Yes I remember Morata scoring against Madrid in the champions league too, and while that is a huge accomplishment... guess what? THAT WAS THREE SEASONS AGO! Two years ago he scored on matchday 1 and 2 and never scored again... Imagine if that were Lukaku?
And yes I can point out his goal scoring record since what we are looking at is a goalscorer. You keep on citing games from 3 years ago... in 2015 Charlie Austin scored more premier league goals than Alexis Sanchez, who would you rather have?
I think leaving to go on loan made him the player he is now, a guy capable of scoring 25 goals largely on his own and one of 4 players to reach 85 goals before turning 24.

 
 

Drogba was part of an average Ivorian side whilst Lukaku is part of arguably the most talented NT right now. He's a striker that needs 5 chances before tucking one away.

We need a 3 or 2 in 1 type of CF for us to be a major threat.

[The Skipper 20,609]

26 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Im pretty sure Conte prefers Morata all day long.

If Morata is so good, and if Conte really prefers him (I would love to know how you know), why is he going to AC Milan? Why aren't the likes of PSG, Chelsea, United, City all pushing for him?

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

5 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

A powerful striker would bully the defences, not vice versa. I saw Lukaku blocked against every better defence, hence I put Lovren example. For someone of his size, he sure isnt taking most advantage of it.  

You only look at goals. Lukaku 24 goals this season, 20 last season etc etc. He could be top striker, he can bang 4 against west brom or Bournemouth. 

Cool. I look his overall play in strikers. I rather stick to Diego or get someone who is much better technical player. Someone who can make others tick better and improve the whole squad. Someone who can be the leading guy in toughest games. Not just someone who needs the service. 

Obviously service is important and no doubt Lukaku would improve here, but he wouldnt turn into world beater individualy. He would still have same limitations as he has now. And since he couldnt do much on his own, he would need all the service from teammates. And if he doesnt score, then he is basicaly useless like Costa in some games. 

While if you have technical striker, you can count on his individual skill and Morata for a striker (at least of those available) is brilliant brilliant choice. 

If you saw Juve bayern last year, you can see how juve got shit after Morata was subbed for Mandzukic. He had huge impact. 

Morata is also twice as hard worker than Lukaku.

 And like you said, every striker can improve goal record later in career. Drogba started banging at 24 in france I think (then he left for Marseille one season and Chelsea at 26). 

Im pretty sure Conte prefers Morata all day long. But the board will end up with Lukaku. I hope you are right he will improve as much you say because in current state, he doesnt offer enough to lead us in CL. But maybe his goals will be enough to retain PL, I give you that. Bar against top 6, we would have a striker very capable of scoring in every game.

SO let me get this straight, is Lukaku a powerful striker in your mind or not?

Yes I want my striker to be a goalscorer first. That is the MOST important part of a strikers make up... GOALSCORING.

And you think that guy is Morata??? Based on what exactly?

You have no way of knowing what Lukaku can be in our system, if he can score 25 for Everton there's no reason to believe he can't replicate that at Chelsea for years to come. Even with his limitations he's scoring boatloads of goals because he has that strikers mentality; he's always where he needs to be to score. Special gift.

We're still talking about Morata, right? Not Messi. Morata makes the ball stick, but he doesn't really dribble past anyone or use slick movement to beat men. For is ENTIRE career he's averaged less than 0.8 dribble a game(On par with Defoe and Benteke). For as terrible as Lukaku is technically, he averages 1.2 dribbles a game for his career and just last season was at 1.7. Morata is probably better at keeping the ball but where is the hard evidence that he is better using it? Lukaku had 1.3 key passes a game this season...Dele Alli and Kane both had 1.4 Costa 1.2.... Morata 0.7 PLAYING FOR REAL MADRID!

I think how you work is based on the assignment you're given in a specific system.

Yes, strikers can improve especially in teams like Juventus and Madrid. Don't you find it odd that we are aspiring to emulate those teams and they don't want Morata? 

I don't know who Conte or the board prefer and to be quite frank I'm willing to go with whoever they deem is a better fit for us, I just get worked up when you shit on a guy who's scored 85 goals already just because he can't link play yet. If there is anything I've seen is Lukaku is an extremely hard worker who comes back every season better than the one before, can you say the same about Morata given what you've seen? 

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

7 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

 

Drogba was part of an average Ivorian side whilst Lukaku is part of arguably the most talented NT right now. He's a striker that needs 5 chances before tucking one away.

We need a 3 or 2 in 1 type of CF for us to be a major threat.

 

Who is that?

[The Skipper 20,609]

1 minute ago, LAM09 said:

He's a striker that needs 5 chances before tucking one away.

No he isn't. He's one of the most clinical strikers in the league. Are you sure you're not talking about Diego? Lukaku shoots 64% of his shots on target per 90 mins, whilst Costa is at 53% (Premier League). Lukaku (3.03 attemps per game) has also scored more goals with less shots than Diego (3.24 attempts per game) so...

[LAM09 7,056]

Who is that?

I'd say Belotti COULD be that in terms of what's attainable. The majority of us here have seen Lukaku on a weekly basis to know he isn't really an upgrade on what we have. Need to put the age factor away, as he isn't an 18 yr old we'll be signing.

[The Skipper 20,609]

4 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

SO let me get this straight, is Lukaku a powerful striker in your mind or not?

Yes I want my striker to be a goalscorer first. That is the MOST important part of a strikers make up... GOALSCORING.

And you think that guy is Morata??? Based on what exactly?

You have no way of knowing what Lukaku can be in our system, if he can score 25 for Everton there's no reason to believe he can't replicate that at Chelsea for years to come. Even with his limitations he's scoring boatloads of goals because he has that strikers mentality; he's always where he needs to be to score. Special gift.

We're still talking about Morata, right? Not Messi. Morata makes the ball stick, but he doesn't really dribble past anyone or use slick movement to beat men. For is ENTIRE career he's averaged less than 0.8 dribble a game(On par with Defoe and Benteke). For as terrible as Lukaku is technically, he averages 1.2 dribbles a game for his career and just last season was at 1.7. Morata is probably better at keeping the ball but where is the hard evidence that he is better using it? Lukaku had 1.3 key passes a game this season...Dele Alli and Kane both had 1.4 Costa 1.2.... Morata 0.7 PLAYING FOR REAL MADRID!

I think how you work is based on the assignment you're given in a specific system.

Yes, strikers can improve especially in teams like Juventus and Madrid. Don't you find it odd that we are aspiring to emulate those teams and they don't want Morata? 

I don't know who Conte or the board prefer and to be quite frank I'm willing to go with whoever they deem is a better fit for us, I just get worked up when you shit on a guy who's scored 85 goals already just because he can't link play yet. If there is anything I've seen is Lukaku is an extremely hard worker who comes back every season better than the one before, can you say the same about Morata given what you've seen? 

Top post for the 'Morata > Lukaku' gang. The evidence is there. Y'all trying to make Morata sound like prime R9.

[LAM09 7,056]

No he isn't. He's one of the most clinical strikers in the league. Are you sure you're not talking about Diego? Lukaku shoots 64% of his shots on target per 90 mins, whilst Costa is at 53% (Premier League). Lukaku (3.03 attemps per game) has also scored more goals with less shots than Diego (3.24 attempts per game) so...

Conversation rate isn't what I'm getting at when he best performances have come against the bottom six. Seen him plenty of times waste chances.

Tell me his stats against the big teams to begin with?

[The Skipper 20,609]

2 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Conversation rate isn't what I'm getting at when he best performances have come against the bottom six. Seen him plenty of times waste chances.

Tell me his stats against the big teams to begin with?

There isn't enough evidence for that. Ian Wright explains excellently here why Lukaku doesn't score much against big teams (starts at 14:30):

Now, what I would like to see from you is all these big chances that Romelu misses against big teams, when he rarely gets the opportunities to score in these games. I've seen a recurring theme from Everton in big games - they sit back far too much and literally take no initiative in the game. Their record against the top 6 is poor this season, and you can quite easily see why Romelu struggles there. 

[Clockwork 1,794]

Juventus wanted to keep Morata, Madrid exercised their buy back clause. Stop lying.

[LAM09 7,056]

There isn't enough evidence for that. Ian Wright explains excellently here why Lukaku doesn't score much against big teams (starts at 14:30):
Now, what I would like to see from you is all these big chances that Romelu misses against big teams, when he rarely gets the opportunities to score in these games. I've seen a recurring theme from Everton in big games - they sit back far too much and literally take no initiative in the game. Their record against the top 6 is poor this season, and you can quite easily see why Romelu struggles there. 

I don't remember Everton sitting back under Martinez and the story was still the same. I just can't see any positives in the prospect of him rejoining. Him being a younger Costa in my eyes isn't appealing.

Belotti's basket is where we should be putting all eggs in.

[The Skipper 20,609]

1 minute ago, Clockwork said:

Juventus wanted to keep Morata, Madrid exercised their buy back clause. Stop lying.

No one has said otherwise?

[Clockwork 1,794]

19 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

Yes, strikers can improve especially in teams like Juventus and Madrid. Don't you find it odd that we are aspiring to emulate those teams and they don't want Morata? 

 

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

9 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

Juventus wanted to keep Morata, Madrid exercised their buy back clause. Stop lying.

They then went and bought Higuain for 70m when they could've just negotiated a fee with Real... That's basically why they bought him back.

[The Skipper 20,609]

10 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

 

I don't remember Everton sitting back under Martinez and the story was still the same. I just can't see any positives in the prospect of him rejoining. Him being a younger Costa in my eyes isn't appealing.

Belotti's basket is where we should be putting all eggs in.

 

Eh... Everton didn't sit back as much under Martinez but they weren't exactly better than what they are now. You do realise the guy is still young right? People are acting like he's in the prime of his career and has failed to score in important games. Everton are much better now under Koeman overall than they are under Martinez too - their squad is much better and way more mature than what Martinez was dealing with... Also Koeman is just a better manager. Their big game approach this season is very defensive though - which is what I was highlighting. But whatever, it's your opinion. I wouldn't mind Belotti either fyi.

You think the club should pay Belotti's release club?

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

23 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

 

I'd say Belotti COULD be that in terms of what's attainable. The majority of us here have seen Lukaku on a weekly basis to know he isn't really an upgrade on what we have. Need to put the age factor away, as he isn't an 18 yr old we'll be signing.

 

I wouldn't mind Belotti, he's def an interesting choice. He does have a smaller sample size to Lukaku though... Would be hard to spring big bucks for a guy who's had essentially one great season.

[The Skipper 20,609]

4 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

 

I think @Chelsea Legend 11 is talking about right now, not the past. I highlighted this earlier - why aren't the likes of PSG, United, City, Arsenal truly after Morata? Why is he going to AC Milan if he's so in demand and a top striker? Why are Chelsea and United more interested in Lukaku if Morata was the one we should be all looking at?

[LAM09 7,056]

Eh... Everton didn't sit back as much under Martinez but they weren't exactly better than what they are now. You do realise the guy is still young right? People are acting like he's in the prime of his career and has failed to score in important games. Everton are much better now under Koeman overall than they are under Martinez too - their squad is much better and way more mature than what Martinez was dealing with... Also Koeman is just a better manager. Their big game approach this season is very defensive though - which is what I was highlighting. But whatever, it's your opinion. 
You think the club should pay Belotti's release club?

I said a younger Costa doesn't excite me and we have no clue what's to come from him.

I'm sure we could get Belotti for a similar fee to Lukaku. Our club love to haggle after all.

[Leif 6,006]

why does it have to be the next best thing instead of the hundreds of strikers who'd easily get 20 goals a season but cost 10m since they're 29 and don't have marketing power?

why would you ignore all the brilliant players who simply don't have the star names?

nobody who studies this game and its players seriously, dismisses them. i'm talking players who do *everything right consistently*, not these hot and cold players who only do 1 thing to an extreme. maybe football's just changing in other ways other than money too. the fans.