Milan 17,957 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said: Β The question is whether we switch the 80m signing to accomodate the 100m signing or vice versa... this tactic might be a decent ploy every once in a while, but there is no way TT is gonna make that a permanent. He is rather conservative in terms of positional play. It is really Kai's job to adapt to the new situation. False 9 is a hardly a permanent position but rather a tactical option we palyed last season bc our strikers were misfiring. No coach except Guardiola has every played a false 9 over extended periods IIRC. Kai should not be fixated on that role. If he really only excels at false 9, this is a big problem but only for him. Right wing/right attacker is exaclty the position he mostly played for Bayer Leverkusen and where he scored most his goals. this is why i think he just suffers from a dip in form and should be fine in the long run. Kai has always been a slow starter, though, hasn't he? At least stats-wise. But he really needs to step it up now and go a level above at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 In terms of balance this is probably the best. With Havertz operating as a false 9. WernerΒ Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Lukaku Havertz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warning_Hazard 156 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 PISS POOR. Knew he wasnt what you all said! Jesus christ my nan could of done better today, He looked virtually the same as his first stint today. Β£97M hahaha what a joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Warning_Hazard said: PISS POOR. Knew he wasnt what you all said! Jesus christ my nan could of done better today, He looked virtually the same as his first stint today. Β£97M hahaha what a joke Jesus talk about knee jerk. Honestly, youβd think it was Wycombe Wanderers who beatΒ us today.Β ja1 and Blue Armour 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 He needs passes. If he gets chances, he will score goals. But our team is not famous for creating chances, especially with Kovacic, Jorgi, Kante and Werner. All of them are not creative. Almost every Manchester City player is more creative than our midfield and attackers. Even Cancelo is..Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, Warning_Hazard said: PISS POOR. Knew he wasnt what you all said! Jesus christ my nan could of done better today, He looked virtually the same as his first stint today. Β£97M hahaha what a joke You must be trolling here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laura90 556 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 (edited) Every player from our front three last season was crucial for our chances creation.Β And our defense. EveryΒ one from the front three was crucial simply because neither one of them is especially talented, technically gifted or capable to create something on their own. Even Werner, last season had the highest contribution for goals scored in the team. Believing in our ability to create the same amount of chances with removing one ofΒ them was ratherΒ naive . Believing Lukaku is the striker to thrive from our reduced attacking play also naive. These days ourΒ full backs, or wing backs are bound to cross to Lukaku first and defend later.Β Lukaku addition only made sense to meΒ if we were to switch to back four and keep the same number ofΒ attackers. Since we don't have players for that our entire build up play may suffer further.Β It will be big games where weΒ will be found out. Liverpool, City, Man Utd and whoever we meet in the CL knock out stage. But something tells me we will find playing likes of Brentford and Southampton harder than Arsenal andΒ Tottenham. With this cross it to Lukaku set up. Β Β Edited September 25, 2021 by laura90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warning_Hazard 156 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Sorry but I was at the game and he was awful. Shocking control, Offered nothing, Couldnt hold the ball up AND missed an absolute sitter, Hoofing at it like a donkey. As a team we didnt turn up but my god he stood out today, Atleast Alonso was marked out the game by 3 players! Posters here harping on about its the rest of the squad not putting the ball on a plate for him are clutching at straws. Β Its not just lack of threat in front of goal its his whole bledy game, Today atleast. Β Worried. robsblubot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1988 1,348 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 It's not about putting a ball on a plate, our formation and initial plan seemed to be setup to allow us to bring City onto us and play the ball down the channels or over the top, which worked everytime we did that.. The problem became that we simply don't have the midfielders to do that consistently or to a standard required. Rom threw his hands up and went mad at Azpi when a cross didn't come in for the 10th time early on, id of done the same?Β I completely understand the change of formation for this game, the players failed to execute it and TT, for once, failed to change it sooner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laura90 556 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Warning_Hazard said: Sorry but I was at the game and he was awful. Shocking control, Offered nothing, Couldnt hold the ball up AND missed an absolute sitter, Hoofing at it like a donkey. As a team we didnt turn up but my god he stood out today, Atleast Alonso was marked out the game by 3 players! Posters here harping on about its the rest of the squad not putting the ball on a plate for him are clutching at straws. Β Its not just lack of threat in front of goal its his whole bledy game, Today atleast. Β Worried. Lukaku has always been this type of striker and always will be sadly, when he scores it's all great. When he doesn't score, everything he lacks is highly visible. Keep calm and accept it, top four in the Premier LeagueΒ with Lukaku up front is great achievement. As good as it gets. Even Man Utd failed to carry it out. Edited September 25, 2021 by laura90 Warning_Hazard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Itβs time for him to show his worth these next several games. Itβs what he was specifically bought for.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 What worries me is he appears to be untouchable. Record signing or not he shouldn't be immune to being rotated or brought out of a match. robsblubot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Tomo said: What worries me is he appears to be untouchable. Record signing or not he shouldn't be immune to being rotated or brought out of a match. Don't think heΒ was the issue today. The set up neglected literally everyone's ability to transition considering City's press, which led to some horrid show performances. Hindsight is a bitch but the fact Tuchel continued on with this until City scored is ever so worrying.Β The must not lose bug that ate Mourinho and Conte alive may have landed on Tuchel... Blue Armour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 2 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said: Don't think heΒ was the issue today. The set up neglected literally everyone's ability to transition considering City's press, which led to some horrid show performances. Hindsight is a bitch but the fact Tuchel continued on with this until City scored is ever so worrying.Β The must not lose bug that ate Mourinho and Conte alive may have landed on Tuchel... Wasnβt the issue? He did not show up. I mean his first touch didnβt show, which means he did not either. Really poor showing by mr lukaku. this is what I was afraid of: againstΒ city at least, we appear weaker than last season and by a long shot. Warning_Hazard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laura90 556 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 (edited) Those pics from Porto, posted in the match thread,Β would have never been taken had Lukaku led our line.Β We are weaker and will be against City, Liverpool, United.Β We play with ten men, Lukaku is isolated. And maybe even Brentford , West Ham, Soton, basically every team in the PL that has very good defender able to pocked him. He disrupted our build up play, offering very little except goals. Which is fine, when he scores and we win. He was moaning, pointing and sulkingΒ today, sometimes hard to even watch. This type of behavior doesn't do any good for the rest of the team. Played six games, scored in three. Needs to do it more often or he will become: Kepa Arizzabalaga II.Β For Chelsea football club. Because everything he can offer except his goals is so negative and ugly that can place him right beside Kepa in the stands.Β Edited September 30, 2021 by laura90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MΓ‘rio CΓ©sar 1,274 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 23 minutes ago, laura90 said: Those pics from Porto, posted in the match thread,Β would have never been taken had Lukaku led our line.Β Β Β Β We are weaker and will be against City, Liverpool, United.Β We play with ten man, Lukaku is isolated. And maybe even Brentford , West Ham, Soton, basically every team in the PL that has very good defender able to pocked him. He disrupted our build up play, offering very little except goals. Which is fine, when he scores and we win. He was moaning, pointing and sulkingΒ today, sometimes hard to even watch. This type of behavior doesn't do any good for the rest of the team. Played six games, scored in three. Needs to do it more often or he will become: Kepa Arizzabalaga II.Β For Chelsea football club. Because everything he can offer except his goals is so negative and ugly that can place him right beside Kepa in the stands.Β "everything he can offer except his goals?" i repeat except his goals just goals, right? eheh what is the purper of football? score goals, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 1 hour ago, robsblubot said: Wasnβt the issue? He did not show up. I mean his first touch didnβt show, which means he did not either. Really poor showing by mr lukaku. this is what I was afraid of: againstΒ city at least, we appear weaker than last season and by a long shot. If you think Lukaku was the highlight of our defeat as youβve abundantly made clear then Iβm sorry because thatβs something I wonβt ever agree with.Β ja1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: If you think Lukaku was the highlight of our defeat as youβve abundantly made clear then Iβm sorry because thatβs something I wonβt ever agree with.Β Agree to disagree then. π For me he killed so many counters with both bad, or lack of, movement as well as poor touches.Β He was completely absent inΒ the build up, which does affect our overall performance esp going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, robsblubot said: Agree to disagree then. π For me he killed so many counters with both bad, or lack of, movement as well as poor touches.Β He was completely absent inΒ the build up, which does affect our overall performance esp going forward. Think the abysmal performance of our midfielders and the lack of open space to properly transition the ball mixed in with Tuchelβs poor tactics to counter Ciryβs press was the main reason but to each their own mate.Β ja1 and Blue Armour 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,819 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 It is hard to have it both ways. Lukaku didnβt get involved in the build up much because he andΒ Werner were isolated from our midfield from most of the game. His role is to finish, which he does really well.Β We had our midfield and wingbacks so far back most of the game, we hardly ever got into attacking positions. I don't know how people are pointing fingers at Lukaku when we rarely gotΒ the ball into situations for him to effect the game. The problem was the 3-5-2 got pinned back almost the entire game. I love Giroud, I have no doubt if Giroud was in today, it would have looked exactly the same.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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