Jase 43,479 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 6 hours ago, Robguima said: heh you just cited 2... Ozil played many years at RM. Is Benzema any different? Alexis very similar in my mind - just a bit more decisive with his goals. Could get away with Ozil's lack of workrate at Real Madrid when you have the freak that is Ronaldo banging 40-50 goals a season and Di Maria helping do the dirty work in the team. 6 hours ago, Tomo said: Even with all the heart and desire on the run to Munich 2012 we were outplayed and second best most of the time, we literally got ALL the breaks at the times we needed them the most. If you want to talk about luck, then I suppose one could care less as luck kept screwing us over in the years prior to 2012 when we had far better quality squads than the one that won it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 11 hours ago, Jason said: Could get away with Ozil's lack of workrate at Real Madrid when you have the freak that is Ronaldo banging 40-50 goals a season and Di Maria helping do the dirty work in the team. If you want to talk about luck, then I suppose one could care less as luck kept screwing us over in the years prior to 2012 when we had far better quality squads than the one that won it. Don't get me wrong, i don't care and the fact it was so unexpected made it 100000x better. All im saying is we benefited from a hugely unique set of circumstances and all the happy coincidences in ways we are unlikely to see again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blusan Alamb 295 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Missing out on him was the biggest turning point for us this season. It has cost us at least the 2nd placed finish in PL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 The craziest thing is people still think Morata is better than him. You can enjoy Morata's style of play more, but he isnt better in any remote sense of the word. Lukaku has bossed liverpool. Strong,quick,good in the air. Thats what it takes to get the job done. Morata would have spent the entire first half on the ground looking for free kicks. Blusan Alamb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said: The craziest thing is people still think Morata is better than him. You can enjoy Morata's style of play more, but he isnt better in any remote sense of the word. Lukaku has bossed liverpool. Strong,quick,good in the air. Thats what it takes to get the job done. Morata would have spent the entire first half on the ground looking for free kicks. So bossing the Liverpool defence is now the barometer of whether one is good or not...? Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Jason said: So bossing the Liverpool defence is now the barometer of whether one is good or not...? Did the same to us, and we are the champs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Sir Mikel OBE said: Did the same to us, and we are the champs 2-3 good moments in a game doesn't make him a world beater. Plus, he's hardly the only one we've made to look good against us this season... Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, Jason said: 2-3 good moments in a game doesn't make him a world beater. Plus, he's hardly the only one we've made to look good against us this season... It definitely goes a long way when it leads to the assists and goals. Lukaku has owned Lovren, and been the reason they got their goals against us and Liverpool. That is big time status, and the reason they are sitting above both of us right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 31 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said: The craziest thing is people still think Morata is better than him. You can enjoy Morata's style of play more, but he isnt better in any remote sense of the word. Lukaku has bossed liverpool. Strong,quick,good in the air. Thats what it takes to get the job done. Morata would have spent the entire first half on the ground looking for free kicks. Yeah, and soon Morata will have another good spell while Lukaku can't hit a barn door as was the case in the Autumn. DYC., Fernando and Blue Armour 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 38 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said: It definitely goes a long way when it leads to the assists and goals. Lukaku has owned Lovren, and been the reason they got their goals against us and Liverpool. That is big time status, and the reason they are sitting above both of us right now. Let's not kid ourselves here, the reason why they are second and us fifth is because they are less shit than us and Lukaku is hardly the difference maker between us and them DYC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jason said: Let's not kid ourselves here, the reason why they are second and us fifth is because they are less shit than us and Lukaku is hardly the difference maker between us and them Well if its a 12 point gap right now, and Lukaku's role in the goals and assists to get them 3 points against us, and 3 points against Liverpool just now alone that is 6 points. Half of the gap. Sure, they are still in front of us, but halving that gap with just his contributions in the past few weeks seems like a bit of a difference maker. Of course there are other variables in place, as it always is in football, but their position in the table has a lot to do with what he's done for them. Its the reason they spent big money on him in the summer. Blusan Alamb and Essien19 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Sir Mikel OBE said: Well if its a 12 point gap right now, and Lukaku's role in the goals and assists to get them 3 points against us, and 3 points against Liverpool just now alone that is 6 points. Half of the gap. Sure, they are still in front of us, but halving that gap with just his contributions in the past few weeks seems like a bit of a difference maker. Of course there are other variables in place, as it always is in football, but their position in the table has a lot to do with what he's done for them. Its the reason they spent big money on him in the summer. Kinda strange how you didn't come out and say this say 3-4 months ago. All too convenient to do so now given the current circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo7 3,496 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Morata is the better player no shadow of a doubt. Lukaku just wins the mental side of things which is where Morata collapses. Trueblue9877 and Vesper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 33 minutes ago, Jason said: Kinda strange how you didn't come out and say this say 3-4 months ago. All too convenient to do so now given the current circumstances. Isn't that life though? Nobody was on here complaining about us changing managers when the going gets tough after we win trophies. Glory goes a long way in hiding defects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Sir Mikel OBE said: Isn't that life though? Nobody was on here complaining about us changing managers when the going gets tough after we win trophies. Glory goes a long way in hiding defects. The comparison between the two situations is rather off. Nobody was complaining about us changing managers? Whether right or wrong, there are always people wanting us to stop sacking managers so often so we have some sort stability. And even when we sack managers, we often do it with legitimate reason. We don't just someone the second we hit a bad run. Regarding Lukaku, you suddenly came in here and said he is better than Morata, like it's a fact, when you have based only the last two games and they are in different form right now. Where were you when Morata was on form earlier in the season and Lukaku was being AWOL, especially in the big games? The fact that you did what you did smacks of knee-jerk reaction more than anything else. Sir Mikel OBE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 I still don't like him. To me morata is still better. But morata nor lukaku are upgrade to Costa. That is the state of current strikers, not a good pool. Alabama 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Jason said: The comparison between the two situations is rather off. Nobody was complaining about us changing managers? Whether right or wrong, there are always people wanting us to stop sacking managers so often so we have some sort stability. And even when we sack managers, we often do it with legitimate reason. We don't just someone the second we hit a bad run. Regarding Lukaku, you suddenly came in here and said he is better than Morata, like it's a fact, when you have based only the last two games and they are in different form right now. Where were you when Morata was on form earlier in the season and Lukaku was being AWOL, especially in the big games? The fact that you did what you did smacks of knee-jerk reaction more than anything else. But these people not wanting us to stop sacking managers are never a prominent voice in the trophy winning threads though. It isnt a knee jerk reaction, just a matter of context of the present. Looking at the strength Lukaku shows against defenders, and then commenting its better than Morata isnt knees jerk. Its a reaction at the fact that under the same circumstances Morata would be on the ground looking at the ref begging for something. Its not just the two games. Conte isnt even playing Morata anymore, and when we were down against City he had Morata ready to come and on and then told him to put his jacket back on before giving him 2 minutes of garbage time. When He's in form you can ignore the defects, when he isnt its easy to speak on them Blusan Alamb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said: But these people not wanting us to stop sacking managers are never a prominent voice in the trophy winning threads though. It isnt a knee jerk reaction, just a matter of context of the present. Looking at the strength Lukaku shows against defenders, and then commenting its better than Morata isnt knees jerk. Its a reaction at the fact that under the same circumstances Morata would be on the ground looking at the ref begging for something. Its not just the two games. Conte isnt even playing Morata anymore, and when we were down against City he had Morata ready to come and on and then told him to put his jacket back on before giving him 2 minutes of garbage time. When He's in form you can ignore the defects, when he isnt its easy to speak on them If you're only looking at the present, then how can you criticize others who said Morata is better than Lukaku when the former was much better than the latter months ago? What I'm trying to say is you're only looking at the tree and not the forest. Unfair to say one is better than the other based on form when we all know it can come and go. Better off seeing how they fare in the long run. Blue Armour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,439 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 The Morata vs Lukaku debate is amusing for me... Imagine if we had only recently played the Stamford bridge game in which Morata scored and Lukaku sucked...lot of opinions would be turned upside down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,439 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 21 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said: But these people not wanting us to stop sacking managers are never a prominent voice in the trophy winning threads though. It isnt a knee jerk reaction, just a matter of context of the present. Looking at the strength Lukaku shows against defenders, and then commenting its better than Morata isnt knees jerk. Its a reaction at the fact that under the same circumstances Morata would be on the ground looking at the ref begging for something. Its not just the two games. Conte isnt even playing Morata anymore, and when we were down against City he had Morata ready to come and on and then told him to put his jacket back on before giving him 2 minutes of garbage time. When He's in form you can ignore the defects, when he isnt its easy to speak on them You could say the same for Lukaku when he's not in form. Lot of United fans were thinking he's garbage during the autumn months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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