Thibaut Courtois

[BlueLyon 9,359]

There you go, clear as night and day, people who says he got to prove himself, why? We might not actually like the sound of this but...there are a few better clubs to play for atm such as Madrid, Barca, Bayern and to some extent even Atletico. The players don't have the fan mind, they view this sport as a job not some romantic story. If he can't get into the 1st team here he will go ''fuck it I am off to Dortmund for all I care'' I will be competing in CL every season anyway.

I agree that he shouldn't have everything handed to him on a plate but in this case he deserve it after being world class for 3 seasons in a role, more than proved himself during then. If Messi was coming here now to replace Hazard I am sure no one would give a damn if Hazard is sold, we only do for Cech atm because we feel sorry of ditching Cech after everything he gave us, but this is real life, football is also a business in a sense, the old days of just good fun kicking around and go to watch to waste time are over, now the global images, long term prospects, financial situation all play a massive part in this sport.

If we had an 10 years old Audi which still run well as new but if we are given a new Mercedes just came out last year for a cut price we can only afford by selling our Audi, obviously we should take it. The same is here now, for all we know Cech could break his hand in like December next year while Courtois is having the best season of his life for PSG or something.

Football is about bussiness and shit, but its also about passion, loyalty and respect. Im not saying we should either sell or keep Cech (its up to Mourinho and not us), but there are some things bigger than money. Its hard to speak of that nowdays, when its all about money, but clubs who are run by money have little soul and respect. Chelsea is already hated club and called names like anti football, fake club etc. As a fan of Chelsea, I would like that we change some things, and that people will talk about us as a good club. Afterall, football was always people's entertainment and we seriously have no respect among non Cfc fans, a value that should be taken seriously.

Its not just about Cech situation, but about how clubs should be run nowdays. Cech is a legend, and legends should be given proper treatment. Sure the better player will play, but to say just sell Cech after all he has done, its just a statement of terrible fan. Call me sensitive, but reason why I like to watch football is because of passion, not because of winning trophies every year. If we win them, that just comes as extra gift for me.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Football is about bussiness and shit, but its also about passion, loyalty and respect. Im not saying we should either sell or keep Cech (its up to Mourinho and not us), but there are some things bigger than money. Its hard to speak of that nowdays, when its all about money, but clubs who are run by money have little soul and respect. Chelsea is already hated club and called names like anti football, fake club etc. As a fan of Chelsea, I would like that we change some things, and that people will talk about us as a good club. Afterall, football was always people's entertainment and we seriously have no respect among non Cfc fans, a value that should be taken seriously.

Its not just about Cech situation, but about how clubs should be run nowdays. Cech is a legend, and legends should be given proper treatment. Sure the better player will play, but to say just sell Cech after all he has done, its just a statement of terrible fan. Call me sensitive, but reason why I like to watch football is because of passion, not because of winning trophies every year. If we win them, that just comes as extra gift for me.

You're right. We need to be loved and to that end we should give Cech a 15 year contract. He is a legend after all and I'd to be thought a terrible fan.

Also I suggest we donate Courtois to a needy team in order for us to be more loved by fans of teams I previously couldn't give a fuck about.

Look, passion is why we're all supporters of this club but at the same time there are economic realities, as well as plain old human realities associated with managing players and they can't always be beholden to sentimentality. We aren't talking about kicking Cech out for a young prospect who is rough around the edges. We're talking about replacing him with someone who is arguably better than him at the age of 21 - people seem to ignore what an amazing achievement that already is. It's not OTT to suggest Courtois could become one of the all-time greats when all is said and done. He certainly has the pedigree at this young age.

[Jase 43,479]

Well, this should make things even more interesting...

Andy May ‏@andymaytvradio 2m

Spoke to Mark Schwarzer for tonight's Fox Sports Central on @WeAreFOXSPORTS - the 41-year-old wants another season at Chelsea

[Stingray 9,441]

Well, this should make things even more interesting...

Andy May ‏@andymaytvradio 2m

Spoke to Mark Schwarzer for tonight's Fox Sports Central on @WeAreFOXSPORTS - the 41-year-old wants another season at Chelsea

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Blimey .......

[Billy. 2,742]

about time a young player of ours is making Chelsea make a decision. he has earnt the chance to be no1.

[Kieran. 6,317]

Thibaut #1, Schwarzer #2, Cech sold in the summer. Easy

[Mouri_Matic 560]

Well, this should make things even more interesting...

No one cares what he wants anyway so...not really much difference

[Jase 43,479]

No one cares what he wants anyway so...not really much difference

If you have been aware of some of the discussion in the last few pages, you know that's not the point here. And moreover, if that post was about what Schwarzer wants, don't you think I would have posted it in his thread instead?

[Mouri_Matic 560]

If you have been aware of some of the discussion in the last few pages, you know that's not the point here. And moreover, if that post was about what Schwarzer wants, don't you think I would have posted it in his thread instead?

I do seeing as I have been involved in it myself But the point is clear, Mark factor will play no part in this debate at all. He could still stay even if Cech and Courtois stay too because we usually have 3 GK and Hilario will leave, or might leave and Hilario is used as back up to Cech with Courtois being sold. Either way my point is he got influence on this debate at all.

Actually Do you know why he wants to stay? Because he is earning a lot of money for playing less than 5 matches per season, probably more than £1-£2m for doing absolutely nothing, who wouldn't want that? And of course he knows his career is over soon so try to get as much money as possible.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Sadly because of FFP, we don't have a choice. Cech has 5 more solid years to give, but if we sell courtois, it means we then have to buy another keeper in no time under FFP jurisdiction.

Because of this, I'm very sure courtois will be our No. 1 next season, unless we use him as a bargaining chip for costa in the summer.

[Jase 43,479]

I do seeing as I have been involved in it myself But the point is clear, Mark factor will play no part in this debate at all. He could still stay even if Cech and Courtois stay too because we usually have 3 GK and Hilario will leave, or might leave and Hilario is used as back up to Cech with Courtois being sold. Either way my point is he got influence on this debate at all.

Assuming if Courtois is gonna be our no.1, I don't see any point in keeping 2 experience keepers as backup. IF Cech is going to be sold, then keep Schwarzer and have him as a backup instead. If not, then just let Schwarzer go and have Blackman (or whoever else) as the 3rd choice, which is very much similar to what we are doing this season. Otherwise, I see little point in having keeping 2 extra keepers especially when the third one won't even get a game at all. As with Hilario, he may still be at the club but perhaps has other roles within the squad rather than just being a playing staff.

Actually Do you know why he wants to stay? Because he is earning a lot of money for playing less than 5 matches per season, probably more than £1-£2m for doing absolutely nothing, who wouldn't want that? And of course he knows his career is over soon so try to get as much money as possible.

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2014/1/8/5276182/chelsea-player-wage-database-salaries-january-transfer-window#comment_tease

If the figures from WAGNH are to be believed, then Schwarzer is earning only 20k wages p/w. It may be a lot for common people like us but the opposite in the footballing world. And TBF, let's not go all stereotype on Schwarzer wanting money just because he wants to stay. He has only won 1 trophy in his club career - League Cup in 2004 - and perhaps he just see this as an opportunity to win 1-2 big trophies before he retire.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

The next big thing comes onto the scene and suddenly people are eager to toss the besk GK in our history to the side. He's only 31 for crying out loud and is still a Top 3 GK in the World.

Further proof loyalty simply doesn't exist in football or sports in general.

[Sheva. 5,373]

Schwarzer should remain #2 regardless of who gets the #1 shirt - while the 3rd keeper logically has to be sold.

[The only place to be 11,313]

The next big thing comes onto the scene and suddenly people are eager to toss the besk GK in our history to the side. He's only 31 for crying out loud and is still a Top 3 GK in the World.

Further proof loyalty simply doesn't exist in football or sports in general.

So we should discard 'the next big thing' instead and hope we sign the next 'next big thing' when he comes along? You make it sound like signing the 'next big thing' is easy.

He's 31but Courtois is 21 and there's an argument about who the better keeper is already. That type of talent is phenomenal and for you to dismiss it so lightly might sound loyal (I'd say overly sentimental) but in terms of managing talent seems rather short-sighted.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

The next big thing comes onto the scene and suddenly people are eager to toss the besk GK in our history to the side. He's only 31 for crying out loud and is still a Top 3 GK in the World.

Further proof loyalty simply doesn't exist in football or sports in general.

Sadly because of FFP, we don't have a choice. Cech has 5 more solid years to give, but if we sell courtois, it means we then have to buy another keeper in no time under FFP jurisdiction.

Because of this, I'm very sure courtois will be our No. 1 next season, unless we use him as a bargaining chip for Costa (bcos of our striker needs) in the summer.

[sutro 1,026]

Sadly because of FFP, we don't have a choice. Cech has 5 more solid years to give, but if we sell courtois, it means we then have to buy another keeper in no time under FFP jurisdiction.

Because of this, I'm very sure courtois will be our No. 1 next season, unless we use him as a bargaining chip for Costa (bcos of our striker needs) in the summer.

Sadly because of FFP, we don't have a choice. Cech has 5 more solid years to give, but if we sell courtois, it means we then have to buy another keeper in no time under FFP jurisdiction.

Because of this, I'm very sure courtois will be our No. 1 next season, unless we use him as a bargaining chip for Costa (bcos of our striker needs) in the summer.

Perhaps they are hoping to use Costa as a bagrain chip to get courtois permanent

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Perhaps they are hoping to use Costa as a bagrain chip to get courtois permanent

They have the best striker scouts out there. Maybe they are trusting them and keeping courtois who has been vital to their amazing defensive record.

[Mouri_Matic 560]

The next big thing comes onto the scene and suddenly people are eager to toss the besk GK in our history to the side. He's only 31 for crying out loud and is still a Top 3 GK in the World.

Further proof loyalty simply doesn't exist in football or sports in general.

Sorry to say this but nowadays there is hardly loyalty anymore, in the old days when footballers didn't get pay much more than average workers, then it was loyalty. Nowadays money is the most important thing, if some billionaire decides to buy Crystal Palace and agreeing to pay top players like £200k per week, they will come to Palace. That is how much football has changed, a period is over. This might sound hurtful but the truth is fans are also attracted by success and money. If Chelsea wasn't that successful in the last 10 years, there wouldn't be many fans supporting the club from all over the world, look at teams like West Brom for example, which is what we would have probably ended up as if Roman didn't took over. No one or hardly anyone support them outside of the city, many people don't even know who they are unless they are a big fan of BPL. That is how much it has changed, football has gone more than a sport now, it is a brand, a business. Nowadays it isn't just entertainment alone anymore.

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2014/1/8/5276182/chelsea-player-wage-database-salaries-january-transfer-window#comment_tease

If the figures from WAGNH are to be believed, then Schwarzer is earning only 20k wages p/w. It may be a lot for common people like us but the opposite in the footballing world. And TBF, let's not go all stereotype on Schwarzer wanting money just because he wants to stay. He has only won 1 trophy in his club career - League Cup in 2004 - and perhaps he just see this as an opportunity to win 1-2 big trophies before he retire.

I agree but I still believe Mark won't be a massive factor in any decision. Like you already said, probably it will end up Cech or Cortouis leaving permanently so Mark will get to stay, but lets say if Cech agreed to be a Casillas then we all know he is going to be no 2 for us. Yeah I suppose you could say the latter about Mark.