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No, they were just smarter than most big European clubs who wait for the likes of Porto, Atletico, Benfica, Ajax, etc to sign top youth prospects to then sell for big bucks.However, you could indeed say that without those "intermediate" clubs those players wouldnt become what they are now due to lack of playing time, adaptation to Europe, etc. But overall its wrong to say they produced it because those players werent raised by Shakthar youth academy. They were all signed with 19, 20, 21.

I cant see us keeping a clean sheet and I also can't see us scoring more than 2 goals. Think we will loe tbh.

Yes, Barcelona is playing absurdly well right now, its really hard to stop them since the defence has to worry about THREE extremely talented players and they are indeed the favourites. However,this is November and its Feb-May that truly counts. Its not out of this world to imagine a PSG, RM or Bayern knocking off an out of form Barça. Lets calm down with the repeat conversation, at least for now...

If you are going to correct someone make sure you arent being even more dumb than me lmao... Btw, I already orrected myself.

Oh shit that might be right. I thought after head to head points it would be overall GD but now I am not sure...EDIT: Yes, its GD only between the teams in question, so our 8 gal difference counts for nothing!

Yeah most likely.

Ok so if we draw with Porto and Dinamo beat Maccabi the scenario will be as follows... All 3 teams with 11 points and 5 in between. So the next untying rule would be goal difference and ours is better than Porto and Dinamo by 5 goals, which means we would probably finish first. We would only finish second if Kiev scores 5 more goals than Tel Aviv (which is unlikely). Its not THAT bad. We just need to make sure we dont lose at home! EDIT: Ok so its GD only between the teams in question so our two 4-0 wins against Maccabi doesnt count. Sorry.

If we draw with Porto and Dinamo beat Macab we are out right?

He probably tried to say they had an argument in Portuguese...

Well, its good to get an early lead for a change!

Wow thats awesome dude. Kinda jealous! Hope we win it to make it even more special...

Well, they are technically derailing the thread tbh

Neymar is currently the best player on the planet.

Im not watching, how are we playing?

But but but what about #closetheborders and #arrestMuslims, #nukethemall?

As long as people fail to understand the reasons behind the way ISIS, Al-Qaeda, etc. works, "The West" will never come close to "winning" (in this case, winning would be being safe). Going by the fact the worst of all has already happened (which is the very first 91 invasion and then 2003 to escalate everything). There are still many who cant see the bigger picture. As long as people are dumb enough to cultivate pre-made Internet solutions such as "nuke them", "close the borders", etc. ISIS will be laughing all they long because this is exactly what they want. The more undeserved hatred innocent and peaceful Muslims get, the greater the poll of recruits will be and so will the support of the general population. Do you guys seriously think they attacked Paris because France is a "free" country? Because they somehow are jealous of the superb miserable life 90% of you live? GROW UP! It is a mere answer to the wrongdoings YOUR goverment does. It is completely, 100% unjustified, but it is still nothing more then a reaction. Nordic Countries are free, Canada is free, most of South America is free, etc. Why arent they targets? Well, I will tell you, it is because they didnt go messing up someone elses business. They didnt need that pathetic sense of "peaceful crusade" some nations have. You disagree with me? Ok. Lets invert roles. ISIS invades England and determines your political system is corrupt and favours a vast minority so they redo it and put new people in charge (people who will not beneift UKs population but ISIS own personal system of course). Then they will close all clubs and pubs with alcohol consumption because this is part of our culture and not theirs (so its obviously a bad thing right?). Lots of people will die in the process of course, so then people start creating resistance groups in the UK . They do a couple successful attacks and then the UK citizens grow tired of a never ending conflict and decide to flee the Island in masses. However, they get turned down because some idiots on the internet decided it was best to "close the borders" for safety. In the end, refugees and general population put against each other while all they want is the same fucking thing, which is the ability to live their lives in peace. Now, 2 comlon things that will most probably be replied so I will already answer.1) "People get shocked because France isnt at war and bla bla bla". Really? Then why were they the ones leading the offensives on Arabic Spring and now in Syria? This is war in my point of view. The only reason you are not being constantly attacked is because your oponent doesnt have access to modern weaponry. So if your country has or had troops in the Middle East in the last decade and plan to follow France in the near future, sorry to inform you but you are at war. 2) "But closing the borders will help against attacks". Come on, how smart are you? Do you honestly think that rejecting refugees will make it any harder for terrorist groups to infiltrate people into Europe? They will get people inside whether the borders are closed or not. So in the end you will be hurting the innocent and not doing much (if at all) against those who really matter.

This is one of the dumbest things I have ever seen in the Internet...

He tried to enter during the match and not after.Pretty much what PeterCech said...

Probably because the plan was to get inside the stadium and explode in front of all the cameras (reports saying his ticket was for a mid section seat). They probably designed the bomb so it wouldnt trigger the metal detectors or whatever typw of security they were expecting. Thank goodness it did though... P.S: Of course this is all my expeculation but it does make sense imo.

Lighting up the mood is necessary from time to time But to reiterate on your post, I heard once a former Pentagon director on a TED talk saying they were too unprepared for how strong the US military was. He said that the invasion of Iraq in 2003 had achieved in less than a week what was expected out of a full month of war so there were yet no plans for rebuilding the country and its political system. He then goes on to elaborate how it should have been done and compare it to the absurds mistakes it was actually conducted in reality. Many things of what he said you point out as well. I will try to find it...

Excellent points Nour!I wish people studied the reasons why everything is happening before drawing stupid pre-made conclusions like "nuke them all". It would not only make the world a better place but it would help my moderation job (lol). But yeah, thanks a lot for explaining everything Choulo and I agree 100%. Just like bankers fought (and succeeded by the way) regulation reform after 2008 crisis, the belic industry will never allow for "peace" to strive because its not profitable. Its super sad but I bet some European and American companies are loving what happened because this will reignite their business... One doesnt need to be a genius to arrive at the conclusions you pointed out in your post and big nations are definitely capable of certifying that such things are achieved if they actually wanted to. However, where will the 1,3 trillion dollars that are spent on security every year go otherwise? How will the governments justify the huge public money that goes to the private mercenary sector each year (an estimated 70million per week world wide) if there is no Al-Qaeda or ISIS? What the gigantic army budget? Even the military sector of Airbus. Etc. Etc. Etc. EDIT: For those who didnt understand, I am in no way suggesting that the leaders of the biggest Western Nations want to be attacked or that it was planned by themselves or anything of that nature. However, I honoestly believe they also dont want to trully solve the war on the Middles East because it would go against their biggest lobbiests and it would make a looooot of veeeeery powerful and rich people upset (as harsh and inconceivable as it may sound).

WARNING: If people use this thread to spread even more hatred towards anyone, not only the posts will be deleted but the member will suffer consequences...

I feel terrible for Paris, but I am also one of the more vocal members when it comes to the attacks in the Middle East. Like I say, I think both sides are incredibly discusting! Peace not only to Paris, but thw entire World...

That depends on your definition of terrorist. Because on my view all the missles Israel, Russia and USA drop on Muslism countries is also terrorism...

Thats a really stupid comparison, sorry.