Zinedine Iniesco

Id consider Carlo to be brain dead if he did that. Having Isco and Ronaldo or ozil and ronaldo in such a way will never pay the same dividends in attack or defense and many other areas as other formations wood. Aside from that, Khedira and alonso shouldnt be starters for madrid. Alonso is losing it all and khedira is far too slow and lacks far too much technical ability to be relevant. And anyways with a player such as alonso we would need a b2b not a dm, and the long term plans of alonso leaving and khedira sucking too much D as a b2b would give me night mares to see that formation. in my opinion most probably are 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 maybe just maybe sometimes a 4-3-1-2 DM Modric Isco Ozil Benzema Ronaldo @ RYan, any of these other formations pay more dividends to ronaldo which btw will have to track back more or else ill fly to spain and punch him in the face. AKA WHAT BOSS posted. If we had gundogan instead of Modric our midfield would look even more similar to that milan midfield but def not quite. Ours would be much more variable in use when it comes to styles of football. Gattuso and Pirlo to one dimensional.

@ boss . I dont know what you mean by this, but the fact of the matter is that Isco even at the age of 21 proves to be a much more resourceful player compared to Ozil. ozil has problems with stamina, work rate, and defending for him to play much deeper. Thats why he was never a good man in the xabi alonso, khedira, ozil midfield, that whole midfield stunk a$$. He needs to play more forward, and when well implemented, ozil can pull off some good wing action as we have and will see from mata and silva. Which both have similar problems to ozil when compared to isco. Ozil will have to work on tracking back.

@ Toli i cant tak any of your comments seriously with all due respect. Khedira is jack sht if you want a competent midfield. I wonder what you see in him, but hes nothing to be proud of. I dont know what games you look at but you have to understand that with the players and coach madrid now has, that is one of the places to expect to see ozil in and he has not been horrible ffs lol, he will look much better with an overlapping carvajal and a good creative midfield around him. He is much comfortable drifting behind the forwards, please dont imagine him as a winger lol. Get di maria out of your head too. Guy is dead here the way i see it. And please dont refer to modric as a CDM lol, he will never have the defensive abilities to be deemed such. Hes a hard working cm that will work in either a 2 or 3 man midfield. DM Modric Isco Ozil Benzema Ronaldo DM Modric Ozil Isco Ronaldo Benzema are the two most likely outcomes. 4-3-3 Is most desirable outcome with a good dm behind the likes of the good work rate players of modric and isco. In any case if di maria stays, he wont be a starter. Unless carlo is unable to fit in Ozil well enough. Best thing carlo could do is make the team a bit flexible.

The chelsea of old had guys like Makalele, Essien, and Lampard in the midfield which were all capable of alot. Mourinho has been working with the 4-2-3-1 for years now, and considering how little he likes to change formations, i see him going 4-2-3-1 almost all the time. Id like to bring madrid into this as little as i can but Gundogan is basically Madrid's if barcelona dont let go of thiago, imo. We will give him assurance in our midfield with alonso 95 percent out of madrid at end of season. We also have sahin on loan to dortmund, we could work out something with them. Maybe even get both if dortmund are stupid. And we also have great relations with dortmund. All over credible spanish papers like El Confidencial, that madrid have dibs on gundogan and will get called in case anyone goes for him. Madrid also going for konodgbia but he is so raw that he might stay at sevilla for one more year, and carlo being the italian that he is might go for someone like de rossi. Chelsea still have plenty of options. Dont know about Van Ginkel but he will be needed to be given time.

I try to be careful with my assertions. I know enough to be able to make my own calculations. I dont think im far off the mark, and in the end im good with what i posted. Id like to see how Lars compares to Sven Bender, sven would be harder to acquire btw.

I havent been able to watch much chelsea of 12/13, that is why i cant place definite answers as to whether Oscar can play deeply well enough or if Ramires is good enough to be a B2B defensively. Thanks for the informations. Cryuff is right, but this is mourinho we are talking about, he is going to go on the counter so it will be something along the lines i posted. DM CM B2B CDM CDM CDM Sven Bender and illaramendi or two CDM'S that could do well imo. Bender is the defending Clog with good pasing, and Illaramendi the Passing piece ( similar to alonso but much more mobile) with defending ability. In no case would this be as bad as netherlands has been in recent times. Preferably you need to be able to get Oscar to play VERY well deeper in, or else you WILL lose the battles in the midfield against barcelona, bayern, juventus, and as it seems, also Real Madrid, as one or 2 DM'S or 1 dm and a cdm will join madrid. Someone will join at the very least. And mata has to get the work rate up there. It doesnt matter if he isnt pacy, it would still serve very well, and much better than what di maria and ozil were able with in madrid. Moses, De Bryune, and maybe even schurle ( havent seen much of schurle) could be good subs, but Mata Oscar Hazard have to be there for most quality upfront imo. About Hummels, i mentioned him again, because i wasnt sure of david luiz's passing ability to the fullest. If he can do that, then you indeed need someone who compliments him. Preferably you will have a B2B on the right side to help azpilicueta and mata. That is the most important side of the pitch for chelsea as it is the riskiest. If he sticks with lampard, essien, ramires, theres no way chelsea are ever getting to second unless the manchesters flop. Chelsea need midfield purchases! Also i forgot about veratti...but i wouldnt reccomend him as i think a B2B would go better here, and for that you need a Cm who has good defending ability and Veratii does not have that. If you look at someone like modric, at least he has some good work rate in him. Veratti is not at that level to be trusted yet.

Let me put my two cents here. I really doubt Mourinho wont play a 4-2-3-1. After the disastrous job he did with the Madrid midfield i hope he learned enough not to do the same mistakes in Chelsea. Mourinho has such a great selection of players with Oscar, Mata, and Hazard, it will be very hard to fail if he makes the right moves. One of the biggest problems with his formation of The madrid squad was that for the 3 years he didnt look for a proper right full back. Arbeloa when good, was only good at defending and helped make the right side obsolete, while Ramos was meh at everything as RB. On the left side, when on form, Marcelo was amazingly important, but the midfield was so bullshit, and ronaldo refused to track back so we were left looking real bad on both sides of the pitch. It amazes me that he would go with the same double pivot for 3 years. Alonso was too immobile to be partnered with someone as immobile as Khedira. Someone like Ramires next to him, or now paulinho would have been better. If anything, a double pivot was always going to be dangerous with alonso's mobility, mourinho should have played a different formation, or a far superior partner than khedira. Mourinho never fixed these problems. The last problem was Ozil which doesnt have the stamina, or the work rate, or the resources to link up in the middle as well as someone like Isco now will for Madrid. Thats why Ozil should and probably will be put at the right flank. So the . . . . Of Khedira, Alonso, Ozil, was a disgrace. Lets look at chelsea now. With guys like Essien and Ramires, Mourinho has a DM styled player who is on his way out but can probably still give 1 or 2 more good years, while A good ramires could do a good job as his box to box player. If mourinho doesnt find ramires to be apt in the defending side of the game, he could go for someone like luiz gustavo or paulinho as B2B players. But he would ideally team them up with a player that can hold him self defensively in the midfield as well such as the great spanish talent, Illaramendi. That is the type of player chelsea should look for. Someone like thiago or modric would be irrelevant with such a player. For them to work, they would need a DM. If Mourinho wants to go that way he would get a player like modric or thiago, but 90 percent sure he will get none of them. No way in hell, so who could he get? Can you think of a similar talented player who can deliver? None of the juventus midfielders would be available. Lets get serious here. I wont scout what midfielders are availbe atm as i dont see many off the bat but there are the basics on the double pivot. B2B and DLP/CDM or DM CM I say he goes with the top choice. Thats what he tried in madrid but he didnt pick correctly. Khedira is far too immobile, and so is Alonso. He would have needed better partner, and or a better formation. For the player infront of them he needs someone who can track back and help deep with ball retention. Ozil couldnt do that well enough. Juan Mata isnt known for this either. Can he get Oscar to be able to play an ACM role ala Iniesta/Isco? He will have to imo. He also needs good work rate in his attackers and midfielders because cole is getting older and Azpilicueta is not the best rb out there in any regards. If he attacks he will need cover. He will also need to purchase a better cb with good passing skills. Specially if he goes for A cm, so that the cb can spray balls from the back. Someone a CDM would do perfectly. With Juan Mata's and Oscar's dubious work rate in place, he will need his front 3 to work as hard as possible. But i dont see it getting as bad as in madrid. Coentrao should stay in madrid one more year while marcelo gets back on top. iF marcelo isnt on top, madrid cant afford to let go of someone like coentrao. Madrid need to know they can trust marcelo. Other wise id get coentrao for the future and present of chelsea. He needs good work rate from everyone. I dont see chelsea above P3 this year in the premier league. Behind city and united. By next season this could be a good lineup. Cech Azpilicueta Luiz Hummels Coentrao Ramires Illaramendi Mata Oscar Hazard Cavani Id get more into the striker, considering you dont have ronaldo i see that a striker will be more important than it was for madrid. Cavani could be a supreme reference point. So could lewandowski but hes going to bayern. That squad would be above what mourinho was able to produce in madrid. in 2 years atleast. EDIT: Also you could go with a midfield of TWO CDMS such as... Sven Bender and Illaramendi, but you would not see them go up towards the pitch too much though, it would be a very adequate and improved version of what mourinho tried in madrid to an extent. You would need a VERY good link up ACM like Isco in there. Mourinho needs oscar to be that role, and to improve on things like stamina and work rate. As does Mata. Bender Illaramendi Oscar Mata Hazard Cavani Ideally you want a forward to lead the line and have great speed and aerial ability. Haven't seen jovetic at all, but based on what ive heard, he could be good.

Believe me guys, everyone in spain has it as done deal. Nacho Monreal has already given his best wishes and Rudy Fernandez ( Real madrid basketball player) is already asking for his shirt to come out. The top spanish media put him in our pockets and so does everyone else, even daily fail and the mirror. Madrid and City also have a non agression pact. At this point Madrid have the better offer, Isco wants madrid, and city have nothing but to shrug. @ Didier, Ozil doesnt have the stamina, work rate, or resources to play in the middle in a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 along with two other midfielders. His lack of being able to track back effectively, and have the tools that guys like kroos or iniesta have, have led to much of the failure madrid has gone through with its already desastrous midfield. Isco is Iniesta v2, and regardless of whether we play with 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 even at age 21 Isco is more resourceful and capable of playing capably in the middle pocket. Ozil would be more effective coming through the right, and helping by track back a bit when Daniel Carvajal ( Real Madrid new young right back which i rank as best young rb in the world) overlaps. Meaning that if anything Ozil will be in the spot i pointed. Di Maria has one foot out the door, he might leave even if bale doesnt join, but if bale does join ( which i dont want) then di maria is out 100 percent. Khedira as much as i respect his work ethic , is a piece of shit. And alonso is on his last year, it doesnt seem like we will renew him ( we shouldnt), and hes too immobile to do any good. Both Khedira and Alonso are so past it that considering that madrid has talent like modric, isco, ozil, and are apparently going for kondogbia and possibly another DM, those two formations i posted probably have a 70 percent chance, if not more of occuring. Modric has good work rate, with a good DM behind him to break up play, and also Isco who has good work rate, he would be like having a player like Thiago in madrid. We played Modric there in our home game in the semi final of the cl against dortmund and he had his best game of the season, going back to defend, and in the middle to distribute, and on the attack to shoot, if he has help from isco and a good dm, it would be disastrously sexy and powerful football at the very least.

Soldado is a capable player and would be a good purchase for chelsea if he was behind cavani in the pecking order, and torres wasnt even here. But soldado is not in the same class as Benzema for example. When Benzema has produced like he did in 3/4ths of the 11/12 campaign for madrid, he can offer so much in link up play and goals, and pure skill that soldado cant touch. In any case, Soldado wouldnt cost a fortune as far as im concerned, id take him to chelsea if the price was right.

It all depends on what midfield mourinho will employ but if he has brains he will know that he cant repeat the disaster he created with the madrid midfield. To look at Alonso and Khedira as starters together was a disgrace, he cant do that here. In chelsea he will either get A great DM to play with someone who is of the chemistry of Thiago, Modric. Or he buys a Box To Box like paulinho to pair up with someone who is not as adventurous as the pair mentioned and can hold him self in the defense such as Illaramendi which chelsea should probably start looking at. Or Gundogan. Although he will be tough to yank from Madrid. Maybe even barca as i see barca going after gundogan if they lose thiago to united. Chelsea would be well set with a well balanced midfield and with oscar infront of the expected double pivot.

Hes joining madrid, doesnt mean modric will leave as Modric, Ozil, and Isco are all different. Considering Carlo ancelotti and the way he plays, and the players we have this is the forseeable future. (DM?) Modric Isco Ozil Benzema Ronaldo (DM) Modric Ozil Isco Ronaldo Benzema Modric can play very well up in those sections, and Isco has the work rate and resources to be known as the 2nd coming of Andres Iniesta. If bale joins Madrid, it will be a disgrace. Would be a battle with ozil imo. Di Maria to be sold. Alonso to leave at end of season. Gundogan to join afterwards. News has it that pellegrini was fuming on friday when madrid took isco away from city because he thought he could already count on him as a player. Silva Isco Navas would have been terrifying.

Hes your future great defensive midfielder ala Makalele, Toure, if he lives up to his potential. He has great tactical awareness and arial ability, he is only 20 years old, yet he is superb in the functions that categorize a good defensive midfielder. His is still raw with his technique, meaning first touches and passing, that will all come in due time. I think he would be apt to play first team football with chelsea for example. You could play 3 man midfield with him infront of centerbacks, or in a double pivot with a player like modric or thiago. If he can improve his passing, and be given a chance to star, along with pogba he will deservedly be looked at as among the top 5 defensive midfield type players of the future.

Overpriced, Overrated, and a danger to any team ( he plays in) who actually wants to produce some High IQ football.

Heres a piece about what andre could bring to chelsea. http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/tacticsandanalysis/id/1493?cc=5901

Oh my god i completely cringed!

Malaga beat madrid this year when it counted in La Liga and lost when Pelle was nearing the end of his time as manager, was going through personal tragedies, and Malaga players were all looking for their next club. Last year, Mou had 1 win and 1 draw against Malaga in La Liga Pelle had a shat club in his first year and was a middle table to bottom third team. In his second year, Malage bought players like Toulalan, Isco, Cazorla, etc. and they finished 4th. This year, it started out a mess with the financial troubles and key players were sold like Cazorla. But Pelle kept the club in the upper tier regardless and did great in CL. Honestly, Madrid had 10x more talent than Malaga. So you were going to have games where the talent just overwhelmed Malaga. But even then... malaga got results against Madrid. Mou, as is his habit, made disgraceful comments about Pelle his first year and ate his words as Pelle caught up to him the last 2 years. Pelegrini made us look like clowns when years of work toppled what years of work mourinhos madrid was capable of...A comubsted team with tactics that pellegrini figured out. It was madrid amongst its worst portrayals but a embarrassment well inflicted never the less. Dont want to sound too harsh on mourinho based on the possible reactions but we were literally seen as clowns by all spanish media. That is mainly to what i refer to.

Yes it is quite probable that he follows the trend and goes to PSG or Monaco as both chelsea and robben could do better than each other, in a way.

I could not agree with your previous post as it did not have enough substance, but i fully agree this one. Your first point, which i alluded to in my post, i agree with, and if the second part is indeed accurate about him hating jose then it could most probably not happen. Like i said, if its economical and people get along i think it would be a good move.

I think that mourinho would be kinda smart to go for robben, if the circumstances are ideal off course. If robben understands that he will bench then it could be good. Depends on his transfer price, and his wages, but he is still a good player and also to put it simply, i doubt he has a beef with mourinho since he was praising him a few days ago. I know forum advices against goal.com but.. http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2013/06/02/4020147/mourinho-and-chelsea-can-rule-england-again-insists-robben Hed be the perfect utility player in a way imo, if gotten for a good price. Also rumors are that guardiola doesnt want to see robben, even in painting, he might ( most probably) will be put to sale. So if mou wants him, if his wages and transfer isnt expensive, and all parties come to a good understanding, it could happen, and it could be good, and i would LOOVE TO WATCH IT HAPPEN.

Like you said, people would have to be disabled to think madrid is gonna let go of varane. Modric is not for sale either. Madrid will need to revamp its midfield and he will be given a real shot at CM since mourinho didnt use him properly or efficiently in any way last season. Madrid tried to go for Gundogan but dortmund says to wait a year, so modric i snot for sale. Like i mentioned before Di Maria is pathetic but could be a possibility that mourinho goes for him since di maria most probably will go for sale. Hopefully he doesnt for the sake of chelsea. Madrid dont need coentrao, but chelsea could imo. There arent many if any at all, great left backs on the market, coentrao is the only one really and considering that coentrao is one of mourinho's boys and that coentrao is world class in comparison to most other left backs, and also will be 25 by the end of the year ( young) unlike cole who will be 33, i think coentrao could be a good purchase. Also, madrid wont sell for more than 20. Unless the club that goes for him is a gullible one lol. Really doubtful he will sell for more than 20.

Like i already said, Perez and Bronzetti each confirmed that getting a new star striker is not really priority, and also that cavani will not come to madrid. If ancelotti goes to madrid and decides to change that, then who knows but right not the madrid board is not actively looking for a new starter. Benzema for now looks like he will be given the starting spot. Suarez has offered us to us if anything, but perez clearly stated in a recent interview that a new leading striker is not the priority.

Just how it will take some time for Pellegrini it will probably take sometime for mourinho as well. Pellegrini has always been known for playing a very good brand of football and he is very classy. Manchester City want to build long term projects and not just dip cash in. Pellegrini might not have many trophies but he is a good coach as he did wonders with villareal, was a favorite to take barcelona until pep arrived and didnt even do all that bad in madrid even though perez never really had faith in him. He didnt really lose the dressing room like some might think, he never really had a chance since mou was always perez' obsession. For those who think Isco will arrive to city dont be so sure as all the spanish media is saying city and pellegrini will not touch isco. Hes a good coach who took down madrid this season making madrid look like subpar clowns, while also nearly eliminating dortmund with some great tactical and team, team work. http://www.zonalmarking.net/2013/04/10/dortmund-3-2-malaga-pellegrinis-side-defend-well-but-are-unable-to-cope-with-late-pressure/ Much more promising than mancini imo.

I agree, like i stated in the OP it self, this is a different place with different circumstances, he loves chelsea, chelsea loves him, its a mutual feeling. He could have more success here, he could be happier. This could make a difference.