Zinedine Iniesco

I dont try to be controversial, i give my opinion and the majority takes it up the ass. If you noticed i always stayed classy despite others trying to hang me with no avail lol.

Lol at carvalho saying the first 2 seasons were good. The second one was the only good one. EDIT: im done with the mourinho thread for now, i gave a rebuttal for everything really and simply stated my opinion with supporting details and evidence, if you want to learn more then just backtrack. Ill return to the thread to talk about the subject incase there is a worthy post, until then let this be the delusional illogical love fest that it is!

You got it spot on Ben thats why i said he wouldnt lead the line in chelsea, maybe he would in arsenal where they have giroud ffs lol.

Stingray it is obvious that you have been offended by my presence and apparently it is due to fear that i might bury you without even trying. Like i said i dont have any interest in "outwitting" you in my sleep, your insecurities are your own problem.

Lol The its impossible not to be bias really, you'd know this if you read even the most simple of critical thinking books, the no spin zone i post for various reasons. I try not to spin, im honest with that i see and ive given support and rebuttals and in return i have gotten illogical responses and rage mail. i HAVE BEEN HATED and almost hanged here for what you say i will be loved for LOL. Whats my purpose, to keep it simple, to keep my self from being bored. Outwit you? I dont really care to "outwit" you dont worry. @ Martina this is not getting paranoid, its an analysis of what happened, hutcho it seems you didnt read my first post, if you didnt and u want to go ahead and read it. With the amount of bs he caused, losing 5/6 real trophies is failure anyway u see it. Big woop? Again you and many others try to give cheap replies that are a way to put a finger on it but the fact is that i have not gotten 1, not even 1 reply on his failures like purchases and tactics others than from shonex. I tried to also add that the errors he made in madrid, hes made before in other places but people ignore the truth infront of them.

He would probably lead the line in a place like tottenham or arsenal but he wont go there if the interest for juve is real. IMO its either chelsea or juve, mou might go after him but who knows. Rumors are that madrid and higuain have been in talks with juve for him, and he surely would prefer Juve to arsenal and tottenham lol. Juve or Chelsea. In juve hed lead the line with llorente.

People want to dispel his errors just because its madrid and thats very illogical, specially when your perspectives on real madrid are very equivocated. If your response to his very real and great massive failings in player management, transfers, behavior, and tactics are all just ignored for the sake hes going to chelsea, then thats practically just being ignorant.

@ Kinol, i agree but he wouldnt be another torres, higuain is still class in his own way, he would do well in my opinion but not good enough to lead the line.

To not spin? Elaborate please @ Fernando, the problem is that we shouldnt just look at the big picture, if you dissect his actions then his purchases, his attitude, and his tactics and player management here were subpar more often than not, and that is what led to much demise, these are real errors he made not just because he was in real madrid, and most of them are errors he NOT only made in madrid but in past ventures as well.

Thanks for the reply. We cant really know how the dressing rooms are but what i wanted to make as a point when people talk about the CURRENT madrid dressing room is that it is not as bad as you might think. Its not the ego driven asylum some would like to point out. For the most part they did their job and most problems were fabricated by the media, the only real problems mou had was with iker and ramos, they had their differences but they always showed support and class when asked about mourinho infront of the cameras, and they did what they had to. The club never pressured mourinho to play them, it was the media who made a meal out of it, and mou did make a meal of it too by talking the way he talked about them and doing things like putting adan up there lol. I understand that we should consider the squad but my point is that it didnt have as much of a effect in that sense as some might think. It really didnt. Its not like what balotelli did with mourinho for example.It made things harder for mou sure, but overall the performances, purchases, tactics, and mainly on him, and if the players lose morale or support in their coach its certainly mutual. Also i say that hes a short term coach period because his football is not a long term kind of football as i already described and compared with someone like guardiola, he is very volatile which makes for "divorce" with either players, fans, club, media, etc, and this has all led to his time in many places being short and controversial. He has shown that his style can be short term until it combusts, i judge from what i see and that is it. If you want to build something long term you need support from the club, players, and you know how to do it and mou hasnt REALLY showed that because of his way of being. He had different relations with the players but just because it seems polarizing compared to madrid it doesnt mean the squad was filled with divas in that way, it wasnt. He left the club with players, yes it wasnt like he was gonna take it with them. He leaves madrid with players but it doesnt mean they were good purchases or that we need them, or that its significant. Also i think its irrelevant to show madrid failures in transfer here because i dont see how it serves as a damper on mourinho's failures. He made big errors that are rarely seen. He brought coentrao that was not needed at all for a huge price and he failed to do anything good with him, he failed with sahin, altintop, modric, almost everyone. Not wanting to sit back for his first classico is not accurate at all, he based his team defensively and thats how he was gonna roll,( counter attacking was to be the brand) what failed him is that he didnt prepare madrid enough tactically before the game or on the game it self. It was a failure in different ways, and his football got figured out specially by park the bus teams. He built such a bad midfield with khedira and alonso, and so many errors upfront that in the 1st season we lost very ugly matches and in the third one it got worst. In the second one we did better because it was the second year and we got motivated but he couldnt keep it up and it fell apart. He betrayed many players, as LEQUIPE released a year ago he promised a place as starter to benz in the 12/13 pre season and failed to live up to the promise. Along with other things. Good luck with jose. http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/11/30/barcelona-5-0-real-madrid-tactics/ ( 5-0 analysis) And barca were never really scared of us tbh. He made massive errors financially, tactically, and with his attitude to player and media. That is undeniable in my opinion. Now when it comes to the player's role in the demise, believe me it was not war like some might think. Things got ugly only in 3rd season and even then the only guy it got REALLY ugly and personal with was iker but it was a mutual thing. Mou is leaving because in 3 years as i said in the thread, he constructed a disaster.

its not an oxymoron,m his dribbling and passing and overall game is predictable and he is also inconsistent in that he cant really play well and keep it up. Toli im too tired to write a full response but also i dont have to as i already wrote what i needed to write. Di Maria is not worth 25 million. Maybe the youtube videos of his skills, and those stats have you confused but when it comes to what he is as a player, he could be a good purchase for you if he was below 15 million but he definatley is not. He has been very bad really, never amazing, he is for sale specially now that bale is apparently coming. He was a mourinho boy, never liked by the rm community much and with good reason. I dont want to sound spoiled but if you read everything i posted only thing i can say is that i stand by it. I think someone asked why get silva when we have ozil, well di maria was preffered over silva even before we got ozil, silva is a better player overall and could have been used in another system of play but mourinho went the way he went.

Oh you were ruthlessgangsta!! I remember you...Ya red orange is a piece of work. Theyre all pieces of work, RWO is the only decent mod. Well whatever im outta here for now. Time to watch mourinho sit on the madrid benc one last time in 4 hours. @ Zone u r welcome, someone has to be insightful here. <

Lol u get banned?!! No im not nick i was the madrid one until they realized i was too good for them lol. Whatever, nice to know that "peasant" does indeed roam here lol. That place has better balanced posters than here btw. Its not an insult, its the truth.

Lol the peasant is indeed a peasant if he comes tell him i was here. U on goal legacy? if u are u should know who i am, actually maybe not lol. @ didier if a fair fair glance is kissing his ass then u wont see one from me. I wasnt a hateful jackass, just people trying to hide mous failures in madrid with fantasy player wars lol.

I dont care about the OP i answered the thread title lol. My childhood hero is the guy on my avatar lol.

GILVORAK? U do know where he hides now right? Im not him but im surprised u know him and that hes not here lol.

Oh one last word english freak u couldnt be more lost on the madrid situation right now lol, madrid didnt fail with mourinho because of egos lol. What do you know about this? , i spent 3 years watching mou fail and u tell me its because the players were rogue? U r lost. P.S: Let the butthurt flow, this place is still as delusional as last time.maybe the wrong time of day lol.

What are u on about? The thread is about who i think is the greatest of all time and that is messi. Lol.

Hey didier go to amazon and buy your self this book called "beyond feelings a guide to critical thinking", that goes many of you, maybe then will some light be shed in your caves. And now im done, as this is going in circles and its getting a bit boring. Mou has flaws(like anyone),but dont be blind lovers. Bottom line. Be surprised if mou survives 5 years due to his nature, we will see.

The club has its senorio perspective just like barca does, its a certain culture that was going to make it harder for mourinho to be accepted. Thats how it is. He treated the players like sht, ruined and ostracized Sahin like no tommorow, treated benzema like sht by lieing to him about his place in the starting line up, lol theres informatives some here are not even informed of. Pepe defended casillas once and mou practically kills pepe. And he made a circus out of the casillas situation by putting adan. The club didnt fck with mourinho the press made the big upheavel. Like i said earlier, i tried to point out mourinho's problems based on him and also your perspective on madrid is not correct. Still cant see why the rage to take it personal with madrid yet no logical arguments about my points lol. Why bring guys like nuri sahin, coentrao, and modric when you dont even know how to use them? Almost 100 million well spent! Why create such a failed system in madrid? See what u r trying to do is prove mou failed in madrid because of madrid and its not true, gave a rebuttal time and time again.

U seem to be asking for a blind eye though and thats not logically correct. This kind of simple mindedness is what is wrong with clubs who dont have patience or an ability to conduct a proper footballing project. Thats whats happend with roman for example. Pep or Klopp probably wouldnt come here for such reasons. Nor to madrid, atleast with perez there.

What i dont understand is why cant any real arguments be produced? I get rage mail instead? What is that NONO? Madrid as an institution has problems but i tried to go over mou's failings that were down to him and why madrid didnt even have much to do with compared with VDB or heynckes for example yet theres no discussion. Some guy telling me that i should coach madrid and another that madrid are glory hunters? Never did i insult Jose, i pointed out flaws that in a way i want to use to atleast make u aware that he has flaws many of u might not recognize or accept because of fandom. Being calm wont hurt u u know. lol. Ive stayed classy and just pointed out opinions here. If loving mou unconditionally is the norm/rule here, then...

LMFAO @ NACH lol Tiwaz im not being too biased with him im just pointing out what i consider to be the truth. He made errors in tactics, purchases, and player management. I have libraries of proof and example, and based on the coach he is he failed at madrid. And he has flaws. i DONT SEE ANYTHING out of the world there that can be deemed as trolling or something. @ Konohas dont try to ask me question if its just a loop hole in your circle of madness lol. Actually, not an ounce of faith in u left lol. With all due respect this seems more like Mourinho forums than forums where a good conversation can be had lol. I state some negatives and people point middle fingers at madrid despite my logical rebuttals. Mou left combusted out of chelsea otherwise he wouldnt have left LMFAAAAAOOO. Mou left combusted out of inter ( dont buy into this good in inter thing, if he was good at inter he had done his job and stayed but he wanted madrid.) And he failed at madrid with everything, and i could probably point out his other failures. My point is to be analytical and open minded, not a blind follower. This produces a reaction deemed as "hater". ..

@ Konohas it is a faulty argument because you say that hes had success in porto, chelsea, and inter but fail to look at the whole picture, most of the time its just said to justify a "mourinho failed at madrid simply because its madrid" reaction. Mourinho combusted out of chelsea in 07 didnt he? He combusted in 10 in inter pretty much, even video proof lol. And now in madrid. He has attitude problems that have led to breakups, and his failures like purchases and tactics cant just be erased with a simple.."oh hes had success in other places".

Miscalculations going on here with the player power thing at madrid lol. The players turned on mourinho because he was a piece of sh*T with them, thats why they wanted him out as any same person would want someone out who's differences are incapable of being solved. The problems with the players them selves was not big enough to lead for all failure to escape mou lol. Most problems were caused by mou with the player management, he always makes problems, thats why in inter it was serie a vs mourinho. Mourinho failed in his purchases, in his behavior ( poking people in the eye and being an arrogant snob), and in his tactics. These are individual errors not having to do with player ego ffs lol. You guys over proportion the player ego thing when in fact they only turned when mou was both an asshole and didnt show ability to hand them the tools to win. Of course that faulty argument that hes had success everywhere but if u pay attention, his exits since 2007 from clubs have all been combustions, he has a trend to his Modus Operandi, and his failures like purchases and tactics and his own behavior are on him period lol. @ MHL no reason for you to be so bitter lol, i stated logical things that happened, only reply really has been madrid player power but i rebuttaled that already. I like the man, ive even made videos on him ffs lol, im posting my opinion and you get bitter enough to wish death and r@pe to madrid lol. Its called having a different opinion. I wish the best for chelsea and give my opinion on things for mourinho, and have tried to be classy at the very least. Simple as that.