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What's your point? Scans didn't prove it therefore he feigned it? Your metaphor is completely ridiculous and is entirely incomparable to this situation. Stealing something and accusing another is comparable with the inclusive nature of feeling pain? What if I'm in a room with someone, leave and when I come back they are on the floor in pain but I check and there are no visual signs of injury? That means they are faking it right? Come off it, you don't know what he felt at that moment and just because he didn't bloody break his hipbone in half doesn't mean he was well enough to continue the game. There are varying degrees of injury and pain and not every match ending injury has to be a torn quadriceps.
Who actually posted the information that Hazard even had scans? I don't believe it was the club, no reputable source has even reported it; if I recall the rumour was started by a less than reputable Belgian rag. Besides all sources [laughable at that] I've read have stated it wasn't 'serious' and all the sources claiming he faked it are from rubbish on Twitter. Have a word with yourself, you are just buying into what the media feeds you

What does booing your own players accomplish?
It's like when Benitez had that rant at the fans during his time with us.
It doesn't make sense to boo your own players when you need to bounce.
We need to become better and get out of relegation zone, and people booing won't help.
I'm glad Roman ain't like that, but gives support to the players.

I dont know whether Pat Nevin has credible sources to make such insinuations, but the larger point is Mourinho is gone, whether he was sacked rightly or wrongly is a different issue. Once he is gone this whole mud slinging on who is to blame for the debacle is such a pointless activity. Now everyone gets a clean slate as Abramovich himself stated and it is only fair we also give it to the team.
On another note why isn't it possible for the team to just perform badly without any bad apples? It is sports for christsake every team goes through these phases. Sometimes things don't just add up like the plethora of ways we seem to discover this season in conceding cheap goals.
When the team starts performing again and trust me it will, the board will feel it was vindicated in its decision and we will once again move on for the nth time like the hypocrites that we are. And guess what will happen the new guy will also fail and the cycle will start again only this time with milder fan reactions as it is not Mourinho.
Manegerial Stability is so overrated these days the only stability that is necessary is in procuring trophies with high frequency and that we have managed, if not without a Sir Alex or a Wenger then so be it, I can live with that.

Very good question, but not that difficult to answer.The point is Mourinho's "all" wasn't good enough, mate. He didn't equip the players with all they needed to succeed. This is how I see Jose Mourinho :
Mourinho: Good
(1) Very good at organizing a defense though slightly overrated in this regard.
(2) One of the absolute best at identifying the weaknesses in the opposition. His attention to detail is unbelievable.
Mourinho: Bad
(1) Creating attacking concepts and strategies.
(2) Lack of tactical flexibility. A bit of a one trick pony
(3) Barely ever rotates his preferred team/winning team, and then proceeds to run this group of players to the ground.
You're not going to survive at a top club for long with that. And there's only so much the players can do, really. These guys can't teach themselves how to run an attack, the same way they can't teach themselves how to set up defensively. It's the coach that applies his learned skills in training. This is basically what a playing philosophy entails.
Another poster has already highlighted the fact that our players are exerting themselves out there. When I watch Chelsea, I don't see a group of players not trying, I see a poorly coached group of players.
Mourinho has been at the football club for almost 3 years now. Chelsea have only played decent football for maybe 3 months max. 4 if I'm being generous. Why? Why, despite having some of the best attacking players in the Premier league? Why was Mourinho unable to maintain our style of play in the 1st half of last season? Why do his teams over rely on individuals in attack to make a difference as opposed to a core group of players. Hazard at Chelsea II. Drogba at Chelsea towards the end. Ronaldo at Madrid towards the end.
Mourinho can question the passion of the players all that he wants, but he knows deep down he was the one who failed them, not the other way around. He promised "evolution", something he knew he couldn't give us, and failed woefully at it. He should have owned up to his tactical defieciencies instead of questioning their quality, their commitment, their lifestyle, their passion and everything else under the sun.

So registered to vent. Got a thousand thoughts swirling around my head but in all honesty I'm devastated.
Firstly, whilst it was nice to see the club back him for so long they should've done more earlier. In May we were champions. The day after we needed to start improving the squad and the stark truth is that we didn't. You HAVE to improve when you win the league. You NEED at least two world class players, probably three to just regain the title without even thinking about Europe. The club failed Jose in that regard but he didn't once mention this or criticise any of Marina, Michael or Roman. Then they sold Cech against his wishes and bring in Djilobodji on transfer deadline day. Man City's owners backed a manager they want to replace in the summer - we can't back the one manager every single fan of this club loved.
That to me is on the club and why we're in this position.
But Jose also failed to adapt and that is on him. He was too loyal to some players and he was too volatile at times, starting with the first game of the season. But the guy has had a tough year personally and for that (and the title) he deserves a bit of leeway.
Honestly, there's so much that's occurred this year that it's tough to put down into coherent sentences but I honestly worry about where this club is heading, what the atmosphere will be like going forward and who the club actually thinks it is now. I've never felt such a disconnect with the club itself (i.e. the board, the owner, the custodians) as I do right now. Jose wasn't bigger than Chelsea, but he was a massive part of it's identity for the last decade even when Carlo or anyone else was in charge. Guus would be one of the few palatable choices out there but even then, what's he supposed to do? The midfield is Swiss cheese at times, the defence simply isn't good enough and Costa isn't the striker he was last season.
Jose was right when he said that he'd been betrayed, but by everyone except the fans. He'd said some things that upset me last year but we've grown closer (in my opinion) in adversity this year than maybe ever before. That will have massive ramifications I think going forward and the fans (in this case the CPO) have a massive voice right now.
Actually I can concisely put down my thoughts after all - fuck, fuck, fuckity fuck.

:lol:

I think this is the biggest point that has been learned.
In the past no one came close to Mourinho, no matter what they did.
But after the second return of Mourinho all that aura has been lost that the club can now move from his shadow.
Because his shadow used to hang hard in the club with any manager that came. And now that the shadow is gone, the expectations for future manager would be lower. Which would be good as it will bring less pressure on future coaches.
Not sure if that makes sense, but that's what I used to notice from everone when ever we used to get a new manager before.
Like "oh he's not good enough or close to what Mourinho could do" and it was like this for every manager.
Now it won't be like this as expectations won't be sky rocket high that Mourinho set in his first stint.

Players don't get sacked, managers do.
The decision was the right one, forget this longevity thing, it was never going to happen. Whilst he was not fully to blame he was part of the blame, his PC and after match interviews became tiresome, annoying and very predictable. He made himself a target because of his ego, everyone else got the blame from refs to 4th officials, and sometimes he was right but there is also times you need to reign it the fuck in and say things behind closed doors.
Thanks for everything Jose, I'm forever grateful, but I'm not sorry you have gone, this club needs to move on so much from you.

Wow. So he's actually gone. Such a shame things didn't work out.
Let me say one thing though - the people that are playing the player power narrative couldn't be more wrong in my opinion. This isn't the same. The players are not revolting against Mourinho - they've come out at numerous times supporting the manager. They care. They are trying out there.
It just wasn't working anymore. The player power narrative is a very poor one I think. It was far bigger than that. Players aren't underperforming because they wanted Mourinho out. Whatever was working for our players and Mourinho just isn't anymore.
Which brings me onto my next point. Having a manager for a long time does not guarantee long term stability at the top level. As I said before, it's about the ethos and philosophy that the club defines. We need that defined now more than ever. This is when we bring in players AND managers that fit our defined philosophy and ethos.
Jose is an absolute legend for what he's done for us and for world football in general but it just wasn't meant to be. Our results this season just were not acceptable and he including the players and the board are responsible for that. He didn't have it in him to turn it around however.
How we progress from here and the moves we make from now on will be very important for the club's long term future.

You're right to be speechless but let's not forget it's Jose Mourinho after all.
Let's all take a moment to remember just how poor the likes of Matic, Fabregas and Costa were when they initially signed for us. Just how terrible they were in their first few months at the football club and how Mourinho then transformed them to world-beaters.
It's a shame we fail to appreciate how truly amazing they've played after they got to properly work with Mourinho and absorb his tactics. Clearly, the amazing difference Mourinho made in these 3 players is there for all to see, right?

The towel has been well and truly chucked in by our lot, they aren't bothered and they aren't playing for him. The dressing room is broken, the attitudes are out in full force and players having a pop at each other on the field.
Fucking mess.

That has confused me a bit now, in the past he has always been quick to drop underperforming players even if they are his favroite (kissed Pepe on the forhead then dropped him for Varane weeks later) yet with Ivanovic, nothing.With the sales however, in my opinion only kdb was an error (admittedly a big one), Lukaku didn't want to be a rotation player and we got Costa, we got good money for a player we didn't need and Lukaku got the right move for his career. Mata was a great bit of buisness for me, he tailed off in early 2013 and he hasn't been anywhere near the same player since, in fact a lot of United fans I speak to say he is invisible on the pitch sometimes and last season they critisised his end product (which was the main argument to play him over Oscar when Jose got here).

We have 15 points in 15 games. We haven't looked like a quality team in about a year. This, if anything, is overcompensation for sacking a few managers too early. RDM got fired when we were four points out of first after the winning the CL and the reason he was fired was that we didn't build a unique offensive style. Ancelotti was fired after coming in second and neither RDM or Ancelott had the same ability to choose their squads and build them in their images. How do you do that and then let Mourinho manage the team into almost the relegation zone halfway through the season?

Just so unbelievably depressing thinking back on last season. It's incomprehensible how our entire team has gone to absolute shit so quickly. All that talk of building upon a team that could dominate for years and the euphoria of winning the title. Thinking about the possibility of having a superb spine that can grow together and compete for everything.
- COSTA was a revelation and we all thought that if he could stay fit he'd be even better this season. He has been terrible.
- FABREGAS led the league in assists and we all figured he'd change how we played going forward and be the perfect fit next to Matic. After his traditional second half slump I just thought "hey, after a nice holiday in the summer he'll return to his best." Nope, he looks like a 60 year old man out there now. Just embarrassingly bad. The most shocking of all our players this season.
- OSCAR was average last season and after José saying he expected Oscar to have a Hazard-esque evolution this season I was ready to see him explode. He looks like he's regressed considerably instead. He goes hiding almost every match. A #10 who isn't creative and who doesn't score either these days.
- MATIC was the best DM in England from the time he rejoined until about midsession last year. He still has a beast of a performance here and there now but he doesn't look like himself any more. Can't be too hard on him because he's left doing so much work and picking up so much slack for the terrible Fabregas.
- IVANOVIC, though divisive here last season was still the league's best RB. Over night he has aged 5 years and is terrible. Inexplicable.
- CAHILL & ZOUMA for me are both complimentary CB's who require a top class partner to help them. They're a mistake waiting to happen at all times. Cahill in particular is shocking in most things other than "hero defending" in desperate situations. When he has someone running at him he's useless. Zouma can't play the ball to save his life and just hoofs it out of play at any sign of a player coming near him.
- HAZARD & WILLIAN are the only two players I can praise this season. No, Hazard isn't playing at nearly the level he was last season but he's dangerous as hell most of the time. It often looks like he's a level or three above his teammates and you can tell it hurts him when they aren't playing at his level. Willian has finally become more dangerous and influential in the final third which we've all wanted for years and it comes when the rest of the team is shit.
Other than poor management and tactics how can all of this have happen virtually overnight? All of the same players who just dominated the PL are now near the relegation zone. It just makes no fucking sense. HOW!?
The club needs something to reinvigorate it and make the players feel like there's light at the end of the tunnel.

Come on Jose, you're better than that.
The things that he mentioned can happen every game. EVERY GAME. But he went 9 straight years (!!!) without losing a home game in the league DESPITE things mentioned above that certainly happened during that 150 game streak. And now he's talking like when any bit of hurdle occurs then you're dead, you lose home games for fun because you had bad luck or something didn't go your way. How can one man sometime ago went with such a record when he's so vulnerable to everything ?
He really doesn't listen to himself.

Bertrand: De Bruyne dazzled us at Chelsea training

“It’s so easy for everyone to say how much he has improved since leaving Chelsea but the truth is he always had it. He just, for whatever reason, was not given the opportunity to show it at Chelsea.”

http://www.squawka.com/news/bertrand-de-bruyne-dazzled-us-at-chelsea-training/532202#dww1osi2ivZY3gRq.99

Bertrand: De Bruyne dazzled us at Chelsea training

“It’s so easy for everyone to say how much he has improved since leaving Chelsea but the truth is he always had it. He just, for whatever reason, was not given the opportunity to show it at Chelsea.”

http://www.squawka.com/news/bertrand-de-bruyne-dazzled-us-at-chelsea-training/532202#dww1osi2ivZY3gRq.99

Bertrand: De Bruyne dazzled us at Chelsea training

“It’s so easy for everyone to say how much he has improved since leaving Chelsea but the truth is he always had it. He just, for whatever reason, was not given the opportunity to show it at Chelsea.”

http://www.squawka.com/news/bertrand-de-bruyne-dazzled-us-at-chelsea-training/532202#dww1osi2ivZY3gRq.99

When your a sub you should be as focused in warming up as you are when you start a game. At any given moment anything can happen in both scenarios. A yes man or not it becomes null and void you have to be a team player, when the chips are down, your finest moment or your worst, sulking and being petulant helps nobody apart from massaging your own stupid ego.
If he doesn't want to be sold, show it, if you want to crack on, show it, stop fucking throwing the toys out of the pram and crack on.

If only he showed that passion during that half-assed warm up he might have got on the pitch today.

Bertrand: De Bruyne dazzled us at Chelsea training

“It’s so easy for everyone to say how much he has improved since leaving Chelsea but the truth is he always had it. He just, for whatever reason, was not given the opportunity to show it at Chelsea.”

http://www.squawka.com/news/bertrand-de-bruyne-dazzled-us-at-chelsea-training/532202#dww1osi2ivZY3gRq.99

What does Bertrand know .. Just another coward unwilling to fight for his place . Jose KNOWS BEST

Bertrand: De Bruyne dazzled us at Chelsea training

“It’s so easy for everyone to say how much he has improved since leaving Chelsea but the truth is he always had it. He just, for whatever reason, was not given the opportunity to show it at Chelsea.”

http://www.squawka.com/news/bertrand-de-bruyne-dazzled-us-at-chelsea-training/532202#dww1osi2ivZY3gRq.99

When are people going to admit it was a mistake to not give this guy a much better chance at earning his place? Because it's pretty obvious. He barely played and when he did was at the right wing.
If you were in his shoes, out of form, not given a fair chance to gain your spot, your manager barely even talked to you and with a World Cup to play after the season, wouldn't you ask to leave? Calling it crying is beyond stupid IMO
Fast forward a couple of years and I'd say it's pretty obvious who regrets the move the most. And it's definitely not Kevin.

BOY BAND NO DIRECTION TO BREAK UP. STEVE HOLLAND BLAMES LEAD SINGER JOSE '' I COULDN'T LOOK HIM IN THE EYE ANYMORE''.