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Would say this is pretty much a huge huge huge overreaction, especially to say he’s fucked our CL up already when he’s only played one game this season in it. People seem to forget we lost to Juventus basically full strength which if we won we would of topped the group.

Club world cup? Surely win that. Seasons still only half way in, the current form likely wont be out current form in a few weeks and you’ll be back to waiting for shit to go wrong before piping up again.

Been waiting for this sort of performance for god knows how long. 2 goals and an assist. If he can do this/more consistently, he may have a long term future here. At present he still has a lot to show for me.

Surprise surprise results start going to shit and you start posting nonsense again. We have already won a trophy this season.

The talk of Xavi’s tiki taka revolution is really baffling. Football’s moved on since then. Even Pep’s developed and adapted his philosophy and made it more applicable to how modern day football is now. Its the same as Man United and the Man United DNA people go about 24/7 when discussing them.

Tuchel as Chelsea manager: 54 games, 33 wins, 13 draws, 8 losses. Di Matteo as Chelsea manager: 42 games, 24 wins, 9 wins, 9 losses. Either way what a very strange comparison to make after a run of bad results… very suspect

The interview itself your taking a bit out of context, he never actually said he wanted Drinkwater and Bakayoko specifically in the interview. Just that they came in and gave more options being able to play 343 and 352. I definitely think Drinkwater was like Barkley, someone who was more than likely signed by the club more than the manager. Bakayoko I am not so sure about as he burst onto the scene as part of that Monaco team and they were a team with many exciting talents. This is the transcript: “Compared to last season, we changed players. We bought two central midfielders, Bakayoko and Drinkwater. For the characteristics of our players, to play with three midfielders is a good option. For me to be able to alternate two different systems, 3-4-3 and 3-5-2, is great. "When we play against a big team, it's very important to have more solidity with the three midfielders and two strikers, and to give more freedom to Eden,' adds Conte. "And I am very happy because I have seen my players show great ability at adapting themselves, and changing to a system by finding new solutions and memorised play. It was great for me to understand that this other option was good, and also fantastic that my players can do it."

You’d think so, granted he played poor but in the match thread there was a lot of OTT comments. The contract situation probably doesn’t help and clouds peoples judgement also, same with for Rudiger but as you’ve said he’s done more than enough the last 12 months to get away with one poor game. He will bounce back. He wasn’t the only one tonight, Azpi and Sarr were also horrible as were most of the players bar Kepa.

But why make the comparison at all then? Lots of our managers have hit poor spells this time of year. It just seems stupid and hardly relevant to compare him to RDM unless you’re hinting at the chance that he may be a few results away from maybe losing his job. I mean if you can’t see that then I don’t know. I mean how often is any Chelsea manager compared to Di Matteo result wise ? Or any manager? Plus Di Matteo was sacked in November so technically Tuchel isn’t a few results away from being like him because its December and he’s still here 😂

I don’t think any manager worth their salt at a big club would of wanted Drinkwater. I also don’t think he specifically said anywhere he wanted him. And if he did want him, he hardly used him so that contradicts any real notion he wanted him because if you want a player surely you play him no? Bakayoko signings questionable but Conte also said he wanted to keep Matic, not sell him and the club sold him.

I think Bayern are an exceptionally good team but they aren’t unbeatable. I don’t think its necessarily all been smooth sailing for Nagelsmann although they are on a very good run at present. They look very top heavy at times. Just have to wait and see.

You are getting a bit too excited. In fact far too excited. Di Matteo’s fate like Lampard’s was always going to be sealed early due to not being number 1 choice (RDM was warming the seat for Pep although never happened) and not having a great deal of experience at a big club as a manager (both Frank and RDM). Where as Tuchel is arguably of the leading coaches in the top tier of coaches around Europe, having also managed at Dortmund, Paris and now Chelsea, having a lot of experience and success at each club. We need to pick up more points and improve the performances after some bad games/dropping points v Burnley, Man United and West Ham as well as tonight but I don’t think we need to panic yet about a few results away from changing managers. Thats just extremely over the top.

True enough but better to be in the draw finishing second than not at all. I think either way, if things went well, we would of ended up playing the likes of a Bayern/Madrid at some point so if we get early, we get them early. Just the beauty of knockout football.

Bayern surely put the hurt on Barcelona tonight. They’ve only got 4 goals from 52 shots in 4 games under Xavi. 2 of them have been penalty kicks.

Least we qualified to be fair 🤣 Last time we won the CL, we got knocked out in the groups the following season with a group containing Juventus, Shakhtar and Nordsjaelland. Finishing second is a bit of a fucker because we could get tougher teams but just means we play a bigger team a round earlier than we normally would. Also means if we go through and put one of the big boys out earlier, strategically means that perhaps the draw could get easier/not as many big teams will be in it (as theres always one or two slightly smaller teams who go on good runs too)? Also works same way if we get put out.

James ball watching whilst that area outside the box had 2 Zenit players there waiting for a knockdown…. Great… Also who else was playing in CM with Reece because every time we lost the ball they were nowhere to be seen. Kepa perhaps could get more on the shot but also maybe harsh to say he could of done a great deal more to keep it out. Didnt deserve anything tonight so to get a draw is more than we deserved.

Great goal. About time Timo did something like that, only been waiting about 12 months.

This is why we need to keep him here at all costs. People act as if we can just replace him with ease… That left side has been fucking horrendous tonight though.

Don’t care what anyone says re the injuries etc, if this team has shown two things so far v Zenit its a piss poor mentality and severe lack of quality. Embarrassing. Not as if this is a poor poor team either.

I don’t think he’s necessarily regressed per say, just as usual, people were getting overly excited about him far to soon.

Yeah definitely using him in certain games/not giving him a guaranteed start every week is likely the way to go until we figure out how to get regular goals at the top end of the pitch. Still, he isn’t a write off either and I wouldn’t be surprised if some of Timo, Hakim and Christian find themselves on the chopping block before Rom does transfer wise. There are others who think we can/should sell him though as if its easily done and go and spunk another £100m or whatever on other players though ie Haaland, which won’t happen. As you’ve said the sulk/wanting to leave is really the only way he will leave because nobody will try and sign him outright from us already considering he cost 100m. Whilst I agree in a way, there are still going to be games where we create a lot and don’t score enough (Manchester United and Burnley) which will bite us in the arse, especially when we are clearly in the title race and have already cocked up 4 points that could of been very useful due to poor chance conversion and now City and Liverpool starting to look like they are in the sort of shape to put a good run together. Lukaku’s more prolific and I don’t think any of those other attackers will outscore him this season. Goals are a big issue. How Rom fits into the team and we remain a successful and effective team, I don’t know, but its not as if it cannot be done regardless of him limitations. Same way in how its not impossible for a combination of the other attackers to play together.

Again a lot of ifs and buts. For me, he is like Barella, someone who will not move from a big Italian club to another league anytime soon. Well maybe 4,5, 6 years down the line if they go on and achieve a lot or fancy a change but I can’t see it. The top Italian players don’t necessarily leave Serie A historically. Verratti, Jorginho, Donnarumma have more recently in last 10 years or so. And Emerson isnt a top player but hes another as is Gollini who went to Spurs this summer. They don’t really leave Serie A.

Well its both really. We need it to work because he’s clearly not going anywhere anytime soon (look at how long it took to shift Torres, Kepa now potentially and think about how long it may take with Werner come the summer if he doesn’t buck up his ideas) because 1) its still only been near half a season and 2) he cost £100m. Throw in on top we aren’t spunking another £100m on a CF anytime soon despite people living in a fantasy land thinking thats how football works. People need to wake up and accept there isn’t just an easy fix or it isn’t FIFA where we can just sell Lukaku 6 months or 1 year after buying him for £100m so there will have to be someway that he gets used and is used effectively. I don’t think it’s implausible that he cannot score goals in this team and that at the same time this team cannot be a good team. Theres too many good players here for it all to go to fuck because of one players limitations. And the managers far too good too for everything to seemingly go up in smoke because of one player and that limitations. Or barring that, then this group of players and manager is not what we all think it is (which is ludicrous to think).

The being good at pressing/bad at pressing thing is one of those things which you can kind of overlook because Pep has signed/coached players before who didn’t press and makes them buy into it and makes it work because its his philosophy. So has Klopp. So has Bielsa. Coaches who want their team to press set it up and coach it into the players, based on triggers. We don’t really play as a high pressing team either, obviously we press off the ball but we seen to do it more periods/phases of the game as well as sitting off and being compact and organised which is where a great deal of our success has come with under Tuchel. We did see it with Mount, Werner and Havertz last year but its not like we pressed a similarly to City or Liverpool do when they lose the ball everytime, we were probably closer to being a counter attacking team because it suited us more.

Chiesa would be a dream signing. I watched that Amazon thing for Juventus of the season under Pirlo and I didn’t actually realise how many important goals he scored for them that season. Everyone just talked about Ronaldo bailing Pirlo out but Chiesa got a lot of key goals. Obviously his talent is huge and his ability already is huge. I think he’s likely to remain in Italy with Juventus though unfortunately, even if they are struggling financially and under investigation, I would imagine he would remain if all was okay.