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I get that you don't like him and you have every right to your opinion, but to call someone as established and accomplished as him as "an awful CB" is just ridiculous. Let's try to keep the discussion a bit logical. Go back a hundred pages in this thread and read.

Unacceptable! This is coming off your paycheck!

He gets to about 5-6 yards away from him and just stops like he often does. When the winger touches the ball and switches it to his right foot, Iva makes no attempt what so ever to pressure him and put him off, he just stands there:

He had a bad game yesterday, but talk about exaggeration...To begin with, no one had an outstanding game for us, no one, so it's not like it was only Rami who under-performed. Plus, we all know that his biggest assets has always been his energy and his runs which he obviously can't do when opponents sit deep. He always plays worse against teams that defend deep, we already know that.

Yes, the guy who's helped his teams win many trophies including two European trophies and the CONFEDs, the main CB for one of the best NTs in the world, the guy who, just in a few months ago in the summer, everyone here was refusing to sell him to Barca and Bayern for 40m and who everyone in the world considered in the top 5 if not top 3 CBs in the world is "an awful CB" We drop two points and suddenly everyone turns into a hormone-crazed pregnant women!

Would rather shout at the ref than actually defend. Cech had every right to yell at him. The nervousness at the back cause by this and a couple of defending mistakes is what gave WBA the belief and momentum to go forward and put us under pressure to get an equalizer. Before that they didn't create much.

Any news about his injury?

The result was frustrating, but not as much as reading this thread. Oscar is shit, Luiz is a pub team player, Ramires is not a footballer and we need to buy to replace half our team just because we dropped two points even though we have been the best team in the league in the past 6-7 weeks! It really gets on my nerves sometimes how spoiled our fans have become..

FFS, Mikel cost us the points again!

Anichibe was holding his shirt first and then Luiz grabbed his back. That's never given because both players are grabbing each others shirts. And even if Anichibe wasn't holding Luiz's shirt, why in the world would that be another yellow? And finally, don't you find it weird that you're bringing this up when even Anichibe nor the WBA players appealed for it?!

I'm hoping it was a cramp and not a muscle injury. No reporter asked about him post-match. Guess we'll have to wait till the City prematch PC to find out..

Shit manager, can't even beat "a team like WBA"! No. I honestly don't...

If this was an isolated case, then you'd probably have a point. But Iva does this every single time! He never closes down crosses. It has cost us in the past and it cost us again today.

Maybe, but then he would run the risk of giving away a pen if he blocks off Anichibe and doesn't get the ball and he'd be in no position to do anything if Anichibe missed the ball. Plus, we all know that Petr has been reluctant to get into collisions since his injury. Honestly, Cech is probably the least culprit for that goal after Iva not blocking the cross at least pressurizing the crosser, Luiz losing Anichibe and even Garry Cahill's positioning (Although, I don't really blame him, he was limping with an injury).

The reverse angle from in front of the goal clearly shows that he wasn't getting there ahead of Anichibe. Maybe he should have stayed on his line, but he wouldn't have saved it on any account. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1bsut6_goal-anichebe-west-bromwich-1-1-chelsea-11-02-2014-highlights_sport#from=embediframe

Partially at fault for the goal, yes, but he had a good overall game and made some crucial interceptions and blocks. It wasn't a even a 'big' mistake. Anichibe, who had just got on from the bench and was fresh while Luiz had been playing for 86 mins, had a few yards run on him and beat him to the cross. Yes, he should have done better, but I blame Ivanovic for not trying to stop the cross or even put pressure on the player crossing much more than I blame Luiz.

Cech was never going to get to that ball ahead of Anichibe unless Anichibe stopped. The cross is a great one becasue it was bent away from Petr, his step forward was in case Anichibe missed it. There is absolutely nothing Petr could have done to prevent that.

But this isn't La Liga or Ligue 1, there are no shit teams. Every single team in the EPL has players that can defend and keep their discipline for 90 minutes and have the quality to hurt you on the attack. We have at times blown teams away like Newcastle last week and Westham away, but we just don't have the consistency yet to do that every week. Tonight, WBA were very disciplined and kept their shape in the fist half. We were lucky that they lost their concentration in the final seconds. In the second half we had much more space and got into the right areas to create chances and score goals but we just weren't clinical enough. Then around the 75 minutes, we made a few mistakes at the back with tiredness playing a role and Iva prefering to argue with the ref rather than actually defende playing a role as well and we gave them a few chances in a row and they got the belief and momentum and put us under pressure. Our players lacked the experience and the leadership in defense to hold on and we were always going to concede.

It was not a miss-communication, Cech had to take a step forward in case everyone misses the ball, but he could not do anything about that. It was a great cross which is no surprise considering that the crosser had all the time and space in the world, and Anichibe just beat Luiz to it. Petr couldn't do anything.

All you need to think about when you post are forum rules which clearly state that you can express any football opinion you want as long it does not include swears and offensive language towards other posters. If you post your opinion respectfully and someone feels insulted, then it's their problem, if they swear at you then it becomes my and the moderating team's problem and we'll deal with it. You just worry about getting your point across without swearing at anyone for disagreeing with you.

Honestly, this draw and performance will do good for us. Might stop everyone from expecting us to play like City every game and tear everyone apart and remind our fans that inconsistency with our current squad is only normal. Every time there are comments like "easy three points" in the prematch thread, we go on to drop points.

Reasoning to insult people? :doh: I was trying to reason with you but that obviously was pointless, so let me put this in a different manner: Stop cursing and insulting people or get a warning. Alright?

Title is gone! Everyone was shit and we're all going to die!

I usually don't do it all at once. I just open a few links like some tactical analysis and the stats sheet of each team and write a paragraph when I get a few minutes every couple of hours.

I am not debating anything related to Mata. You're randomly cursing and swearing at people who are disagreeing with and you and I'm saying stop it. Too much to ask? If you can't debate respectfully, then don't debate at all. Thanks.