Tomo

After today i don't think your in a position to preach anti football, you lot are one of the biggest culprits, especially away in the big games. And what arrogance are you alluding to? if anything most members on here over-rate the competition, especially City.

I have never seen a player hyped up for no reason than Kyle Walker is. He is without a doubt one of the worst defenders i have ever seen, can't defend, can't cross, can't position himself properly yet because he has a bit of pace and hits a good shot every now and again his one million other flaws in his game get forgotten (just like Bosingwa before his flaws became too obvious).

People were far to premature to call a power shift in North London because of this transfer market, it's still Arsenal 4th and Spurs 5th for me. What will be Tottenham's downfall is their defence, their fullback's can't defend to save their lives, Vertonghen isn't a good defender (a fact that gets covered up by his goals), Dawson isn't more than a squad player for a team looking to challenge for top 4 and Kaboul has been out for a year, there is no guarantee he won't go the same way as Essien. Lloris has been superhuman so far this season, but over-all Spurs have been awful.

It was the worst out of our one's that we scored, if Neuer guessed right he would saved it quite easily, if not caught it. The german has no chance with the previous three. Either way, doesn't matter our performance that night was one of the worst i have ever seen, just happened the result was the best of our history, all that matters

If i was a Liverpool fan i would be pissed about this. They got a good player, but loaning him (aswell as the rumours about Piazon earlier this summer) off a club higher in the table is just another example of their reduced status. They are basically helping us develop him.

Liverpool still are no where near good enough compared to Tottenham and Arsenal, Wenger may have lost it in terms of fighting for trophies but he still knows how to get the job done as far as top 4 finishes are concerned. Tottenham are still better aswell than Liverpool, all over the pitch. The only reason Liverpool are talked about as top four contenders is because of their history, imagine if say Swansea had the team Liverpool had, no one would be talking them up as top 4 hopefuls, they are just not good enough, they will get 6th but even that will be by default (Everton taking time to adapt to Martinez).

How are they are rivals, exactly?

Moyes is United's Roy Hodgson.

tbf he is right, Drogba's penalty happened to be one of the worst in the shootout but it doesn't matter in the end because it was the one that one it

Nice to see he is finally getting some praise, this is something that probably belongs in unpopular views but...... .....he will be starting more games than De Bruyne this term, and rightly so

Best keeper i have ever seen, yes including Schmeicel, if Cech was his successor at United instead of going to Chelsea it wouldn't be debatable.

He looks like making good out of the (previously horrific) Cahill and Luiz partnership. He is a genius.

Sadly you're right, i have got it at points in the last year or so (including a couple of times recently), sometimes to the extent where you would think i did something that was worthy of a ban.

I voted for Cahill, i have criticized his bad games in the past, so it's only fair i show recognition when he has a very good one.

Fair play to him, he was good tonight but in the grand scheme of things its still too little too late.

All tonight done was further strengthen what i have been saying all summer and why i was more than happy for Cavani to come. Lukaku is going to be a great player for us, just not yet.

You were practically campaiging against the Cavani signing in the summer so Lukaku got a chance, now you want Lukaku to be shipped out on loan to give time to one off the worst players in our history? Jesus fuking christ.

@Kojo, is ignored, for good this time, fed up of personal attacks every time i try and make a point (like in the Cahill thread) and to think i defended him when he got banned.

Like the time you acused me of scapegoating Cahill, despite the fact you have been doing the same to Mikel for years. grow up.

Fuk that, worry about the good teams later, the group stage is about getting through as quick as possible.

This isn't about blaming anyone, numerous members are going to click on this thread expecting analysis about the match and see a petty argument taking over, its not just you two, it happens a lot and should be tookto the pub or pm.

I apoligise for playing mod, but can you two take this to the pub or private messaging.

The Russian league isn't as bad as made out, they have the Moscow teams and Zenit who are strong, certainly not that much weaker then the french league (for example). We don't even need him at his previous best, with the midfield we have a striker who knows what he is doing should be fine.

The CL has got so much stronger, few years back there was some weak teams in even pot 2, now pot 4 is quite strong.

Viktoria Plzen or Austria Wien please