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DavidEU

Eden Hazard

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1 hour ago, BlueLion. said:

I don't wish him any negativity at all. But watching our style of play this season, whilst he would obviously be a step up on Willian or Pedro right now, I don't think he is missed even half as much as we feared. 

He's only missed because he is a better finisher/dribbler than any of our wingers. But his style of play may have slowed down our tempo under Lamps

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34 minutes ago, milka said:

how long it will take them to turn against him :ph34r:

no one will love you like Chelsea fans  , Hazard ...... :)

 

a few more games like yesterday's and they are going to start to become 

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, BlueLion. said:

Honest question: are we missing him right now?

 

It depends, none of our winger are on his level, however we won't be contending for any serious title this season so it was a perfect time to move on from him, especially for 100m. But he could be a difference between getting or not the 4th place.

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We lost him and our first strikers last season Morata/Higuain and everyone was concerned from where our goals will come. I remember discussion here in the summer and even Souness after United game said we don't have enough goals in our squad for top4. But as a team we play very good offensively and we don't miss him at all. And we can only improve from here expecially with Pulisic and CHO. 

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47 minutes ago, Jason said:

Uh oh...

All those brutal tackles are adding up,

In a prefect situ, he would have been under contract for 3 more years and would have left NEXT summer, when he was 5 or so months away from turning 30, as I have serous doubts he does much beyond 30 years of age, 31 max. He has taking an absolute beating the last 10 or 11 seasons. That shit adds up. Look at yank football running backs (granted, much more vicious contact) whose average career in the NFL s  is under 3 years (2.57 years in the NFL!), and 95% who never have great seasons once they hit 29yo max (and those are rare) In the last 20 years, out of over 1000 rostered running backs, NINE have had 230 PPR plus seasons when they were over 29, none over 31yo (6 30 yo's, and 3 31 yo's)

Eden's style of play is the association football version of a running back.

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26 minutes ago, Vesper said:

All those brutal tackles are adding up,

In a prefect situ, he would have been under contract for 3 more years and would have left NEXT summer, when he was 5 or so months away from turning 30, as I have serous doubts he does much beyond 30 years of age, 31 max. He has taking an absolute beating the last 10 or 11 seasons. That shit adds up. Look at yank football running backs (granted, much more vicious contact) whose average career in the NFL s  is under 3 years (2.57 years in the NFL!), and 95% who never have great seasons once they hit 29yo max (and those are rare) In the last 20 years, out of over 1000 rostered running backs, NINE have had 230 PPR plus seasons when they were over 29, none over 31yo (6 30 yo's, and 3 31 yo's)

Eden's style of play is the association football version of a running back.

As a fan of both footballs, I could not disagree more. And honestly, sounds like yet another excuse for eden to not be producing the goods as some here have predicted.

running-backs run into contention and do not really avoid contact, often thru the middle. Can’t think of a player who protects himself more than eden. And he mostly stays on the left avoiding contention. Just kick him good in the beginning of the game and he will vanish.

once again, I find it interesting that we don’t link his often mentioned lack of determination, on and off the pitch, to avoiding hard tackles and protecting himself. It is the same determination. The very thing that allows Ronaldo to compete against Messi and prevents, because he lacks that, eden from getting anywhere that level.

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1 hour ago, Robchels said:

As a fan of both footballs, I could not disagree more. And honestly, sounds like yet another excuse for eden to not be producing the goods as some here have predicted.

running-backs run into contention and do not really avoid contact, often thru the middle. Can’t think of a player who protects himself more than eden. And he mostly stays on the left avoiding contention. Just kick him good in the beginning of the game and he will vanish.

once again, I find it interesting that we don’t link his often mentioned lack of determination, on and off the pitch, to avoiding hard tackles and protecting himself. It is the same determination. The very thing that allows Ronaldo to compete against Messi and prevents, because he lacks that, eden from getting anywhere that level.

I never said that that was his only issue. He has always been streets behind Messi and CR7, he was never even in the same postal code. 

He will never posses their drive to win and excel. It is just part of his make-up. I still think he will go down as a top 10 to 15 overall player for the 2010's though.

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2 hours ago, Robchels said:

As a fan of both footballs, I could not disagree more. And honestly, sounds like yet another excuse for eden to not be producing the goods as some here have predicted.

running-backs run into contention and do not really avoid contact, often thru the middle. Can’t think of a player who protects himself more than eden. And he mostly stays on the left avoiding contention. Just kick him good in the beginning of the game and he will vanish.

once again, I find it interesting that we don’t link his often mentioned lack of determination, on and off the pitch, to avoiding hard tackles and protecting himself. It is the same determination. The very thing that allows Ronaldo to compete against Messi and prevents, because he lacks that, eden from getting anywhere that level.

You must be thinking of a handful of games, like those he had against United when thugs like Young and Herrera tried to do a number on him.

Other than those few examples, how can you say that he shied away from tackles? There's a reason he was the most fouled player in the league when he was here.

And that earlier comment on here by @Costa19 sounds just wrong. How can you wish ill will on a player who contributed so much when he was here? For 7 years at that! Not sure how his Madrid exploits can bother you. 

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22 hours ago, Vesper said:

I never said that that was his only issue. He has always been streets behind Messi and CR7, he was never even in the same postal code. 

He will never posses their drive to win and excel. It is just part of his make-up. I still think he will go down as a top 10 to 15 overall player for the 2010's though.

fair enough, you rate him a lot higher than I do. Just can't imagine a player like eden as a running back. :) Only if food. 

21 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

You must be thinking of a handful of games, like those he had against United when thugs like Young and Herrera tried to do a number on him.

Other than those few examples, how can you say that he shied away from tackles? There's a reason he was the most fouled player in the league when he was here.

And that earlier comment on here by @Costa19 sounds just wrong. How can you wish ill will on a player who contributed so much when he was here? For 7 years at that! Not sure how his Madrid exploits can bother you. 

Nah, sorry, I don't think eden exposed himself often. Can only think of Ronaldinho as a player less likely to go into tackles. Eden never showed that extra effort, a sliding tackle to win the ball or to finish. For me he is extremely laid back on the pitch. He only plays at this level because of his talent esp close control. Most of his injuries were muscle, not from tackles: https://www.transfermarkt.us/eden-hazard/verletzungen/spieler/50202

For all his antics, compare that with Neymar: https://www.transfermarkt.us/neymar/verletzungen/spieler/68290 

All these skillful players protect themselves, it's part of it, but once in a while, in important games, they need to show that extra determination. E.g. CL matches... Eden never did. He never gets angry in adversity. I have a hard time liking players who lack determination. Even though I think neymar is more of a match winning type, I think he lacks that as well.

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9 hours ago, 1905didierblue said:

If it only took a couple of kicks at the start of the match to keep Eden quite, he would not be one of the best players in the world.what an obnoxious to even say.

The guy is world class. One of the best players to have EVER played for Chelsea. And one of the best to have ever played in PL. Without a shred of doubt. 

The minimum we can do is show him some respect rather than making OTT remarks.

He gave us the best years of his life. Carrying the team this whole time. The guy had contributed in 50% of the goals in PL for us (goals and assists).

What a preachy post. Kinda silly one too in a discussion forum. Might as well lock all player threads then. Imagine if we were to disrespect any of our players esp the ones who won us silverware... still waiting for you in the alonso thread. :) 

nobody said he’s not world class. That he’s not one of the best, esp at Chelsea. I’m comparing him with other great players! Which is something people do in discussion forums... :) 

eden was great in the PL. Never did shit in CL and that’s typical of players who lack determination to withstand the physicality that these single-elimination games bring.

At least that’s what I saw on and off the pitch all these years. He’s a guy who shows up fat after getting his dream job. I thought his injury record that I posted was interesting as a data point, I guess not. ;) 

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On 9/29/2019 at 2:13 AM, BlueLion. said:

Honest question: are we missing him right now?

 

I think one of the best things that has happened is selling him (I am not in the slightest way suggesting that he is past his prime). But we wouldn't have ever played CHO, Mason Mount had he remained. His departure got us Lampard and contrary to what many think I like him, for the fact he is bringing out home grown talents(something we have been craving for in a very long time).

Will we finish in top 4, well that is something to be seen but I like the way we are playing and if the youth players can show what they doing right now for couple of seasons I see lot of Chelsea legends in the making.

All of this wouldn't have been possible had Hazard stayed.

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16 minutes ago, Robchels said:

What a preachy post. Kinda silly one too in a discussion forum. Might as well lock all player threads then. Imagine if we were to disrespect any of our players esp the ones who won us silverware... still waiting for you in the alonso thread. :) 

nobody said he’s not world class. That he’s not one of the best, esp at Chelsea. I’m comparing him with other great players! Which is something people do in discussion forums... :) 

eden was great in the PL. Never did shit in CL and that’s typical of players who lack determination to withstand the physicality that these single-elimination games bring.

At least that’s what I saw on and off the pitch all these years. I thought his injury record that I posted was interesting as a data point, I guess not. ;) 

Just because it's a discussion forum does not mean people can write any kind of shit they want. There is discussion and then there are comments like these which make no sense.

Epl is the most physical competition in the footballing world. And hazard was the best player in it. Give me the stat of the players drawing the highest number of fouls in epl, please. That should be indicative. 

As for CL, it's a competition of equals and classy teams. It's one thing to go up against the likes of Beardsley who are going to kick the shit out of you, and another going against the likes of juanfran and aurier. In such a competition, the quality of the team shines through and hence why we struggled in CL for so long.

 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

Just because it's a discussion forum does not mean people can write any kind of shit they want. There is discussion and then there are comments like these which make no sense.

Epl is the most physical competition in the footballing world. And hazard was the best player in it. Give me the stat of the players drawing the highest number of fouls in epl, please. That should be indicative. 

As for CL, it's a competition of equals and classy teams. It's one thing to go up against the likes of Beardsley who are going to kick the shit out of you, and another going against the likes of juanfran and aurier. In such a competition, the quality of the team shines through and hence why we struggled in CL for so long.

 

 

 

I really don’t give a shit whether you rate my opinion or not. :) Just address the points I make or we really have nothing to discuss.

I couldn’t disagree more. I posted edens injury record which is typical of a player who never exposed himself. I needed not to, since I’ve watched him play for years in a very laid-back way.

you could not be more wrong on the differences between single-elimination tough cups like the later stages of CL and WC. It’s literally a different ballgame where strong mentally and physicality are far more important than in long championship games.

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14 minutes ago, Robchels said:

I really don’t give a shit whether you rate my opinion or not. :) Just address the points I make or we really have nothing to discuss.

I couldn’t disagree more. I posted edens injury record which is typical of a player who never exposed himself. I needed not to, since I’ve watched him play for years in a very laid-back way.

you could not be more wrong on the differences between single-elimination tough cups like the later stages of CL and WC. It’s literally a different ballgame where strong mentally and physicality are far more important than in long championship games.

Address what point? 

That hazard never exposed himself? And yet is the most fouled player for 5/6 straight years? I will discuss points worth discussing, not stupid statements made because you dislike/don't rate a player.

Just because a player does not get injured means he is not exposing himself. Lol. "Could not be more wrong" indeed.

So what is the difference between an elimination round of a caraboa/fa/Europa league game vs the CL and wc? Hazard seems to do brilliantly in those competition, does not he? Does he purposely play poor in CL? Or is it actually the quality of opposition that is the difference here. It's not just hazard who loses the game, but we lose it as a team. The Barca games, the multiple exits to psg. We were outplayed as a team. 

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13 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

Address what point? 

That hazard never exposed himself? And yet is the most fouled player for 5/6 straight years? I will discuss points worth discussing, not stupid statements made because you dislike/don't rate a player.

Just because a player does not get injured means he is not exposing himself. Lol. "Could not be more wrong" indeed.

So what is the difference between an elimination round of a caraboa/fa/Europa league game vs the CL and wc? Hazard seems to do brilliantly in those competition, does not he? Does he purposely play poor in CL? Or is it actually the quality of opposition that is the difference here. It's not just hazard who loses the game, but we lose it as a team. The Barca games, the multiple exits to psg. We were outplayed as a team. 

You think my opinion is stupid and I think yours is stupid. You see it works both ways. Again I post whatever the fuck I want. If you disagree state with what or ignore, your choice.

they are not mutually exclusive! Quality of the teams and player obviously matter as does what’s on the line! In single elimination, there is more dedication all around. Games are more physical because loser goes home.

yes watching Eden play for years I think he never exposed himself. He never risks his wellbeing in a risky play. Never got angry or restless in a match. So yeah I very much disagree if you think otherwise. His injury record showcases that to me. It is ok if it does not for you.

either eden is a player capable of winning tough matches, esp single-elimination, on his own or he is not. I think not.

you have your opinion and I have mine.

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6 minutes ago, Robchels said:

You think my opinion is stupid and I think yours is stupid. You see it works both ways. Again I post whatever the fuck I want. If you disagree state with what or ignore, your choice.

they are not mutually exclusive! Quality of the teams and player obviously matter as does what’s on the line! In single elimination, there is more dedication all around. Games are more physical because loser goes home.

yes watching Eden play for years I think he never exposed himself. He never risks his wellbeing in a risky play. Never got angry or restless in a match. So yeah I very much disagree if you think otherwise. His injury record showcases that to me. It is ok if it does not for you.

either eden is a player capable of winning tough matches, esp single-elimination, on his own or he is not. I think not.

you have your opinion and I have mine.

You can have all your delusions. It does not change a thing.

It's downright stupid if not asenine to say hazard did not expose himself. Again, tell me who was the most fouled player in PL over the years. Hell even all over Europe. Stop making stuff up and then say "it's an opinion, deal with it". I have said exactly what I think about your post is pointless, redundant and stupid. Want me to re-iterate it?

The point that a player who has been the most fouled player across year, does not expose himself. That point, get it?

So the loser in Europa league or fa cup or carabao cup does not go home? Huh? Lol. 

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