The English Football Thread

[bushman 2,043]

I made a post about it the other day.

SAF put a lot of pressure on officiating. He was going his job... it was up to the referees not to let it happen. I have no doubts Mourinho is going to do the same if he feels like he can have the upper hand. It's not illicit to do that. And again, for that advantage to happen the others have to lose points. I remember laughing on opposition scoring during Fergie time last season. I don't remember the matches, but I guess it happened two times... Jay may help me there

As I said it look suspicious, but I believe that's only that. Referees being intimidated by SAF. It's part of his aggregate value

Thank God he's gone now, let's hope he won't continue to do it in the sidelines. Let him enjoy his grandkids

and I'm off lads. Now I'm actually on vacation, I was just spending time at my mom's.

But I might check the news once/twice a day.

Yes, it was suspicious on many occasions. Just like JT´s case. Found not guilty in the court, but FA slapped him with 4 games.

[NishC300 1,865]

Well, everybody knows how much I hate ManUtd and how I think they had more than suspicious calls by officiating... just like everyone else does.

But one doesn't win so many times, becomes the club with the most national leagues out of luck... Those suspicious calls were just poor calls

I want ManUtd to never win even Charity Shield again, but to credit all their honors and glories to luck and corruption? It sounds bitter, childish and it makes us look worse.

If they're so average, then why haven't we won the title in the last few years? Yeah, the officiating in the first EPL match against them was ridiculous, but those 3 points weren't the difference between them and us at the end of the season. So if they're so average, shame on us, because regardless of how much they were "helped", as a team that is more than average we should have won our matches. At the end of the day it doesn't matter if they win their matches or not, if we keep drawing and losing ours... Or if ManC draws and loses theirs. Or the conspiracy theory goes as further as having referees to lead Chelsea, ManC, Arsenal, and Liverpool to lose their matches for 20 years? Yeah, that's what I thought.

I really feel sort of embarrassed when our fans resort to that kind of argument. It makes all of us look like sore losers.

And then I have to hear one of my friends who is a ManU fan telling me every single time we have referees making mistakes that favor us if Roman is now signing referees as well. She's very vocal about it because people are very vocal about bad calls favoring ManU... She knows I don't credit ManU titles to that, but I of course bitch about mistakes while watching the match. What some call lucky, I call being obstinate and just forcing the result. That's determination, hard work and of course, luck is an aspect. A minor one. One simply doesn't get lucky for so long.

Corruption is everywhere, I'm not naive to believe otherwise, but not to that extent and not to make a team like ManU reaching UCL finals - where I suppose SAF isn't as influential... for as long as human beings are the ones officiating there will be mistakes...

The difference between ManU squad and some others is that they were a team in the truest meaning of the word and that passes through SAF - who made so many mistakes in the last few years in many matches, but as they work as a team, and team that has a winning vocation and thirsty they just win.

I hope they don't win a title for the next 20 years though

So the fact that Jeff Winter and Peter Walton just disappear after not impressing Fergie is normal?

[NishC300 1,865]

Yes, it was suspicious on many occasions. Just like JT´s case. Found not guilty in the court, but FA slapped him with 4 games.

Funny those 4 games were incidentally the 2 games we had against United.

[bushman 2,043]

Funny those 4 games were incidentally the 2 games we had against United.

I don´t like to dwell on the past, but one thing i know. Under red nosed Alex, manures had plenty of advantages over the years.

[NishC300 1,865]

I don´t like to dwell on the past, but one thing i know. Under red nosed Alex, manures had plenty of advantages over the years.

Had everyone top to bottom under their control.

[Atlas Lion 1,223]

Yeah i forgot being honest and down to earth is siding against Chelsea.

That high horse, get off it.

There is being honest and then there is complete and utter garbage that can only be supported by irrational facts and laughable conspiracies.

"Honest and down to earth' My word

[Kojo 4,676]

There is being honest and then there is complete and utter garbage that can only be supported by irrational facts and laughable conspiracies.

"Honest and down to earth' My word

Behave yourself, there's a few like you on the forum who think that Chelsea will do well is being unfair and delusional.

I bet you're the type of person when Chelsea wins a penalty you want to try and be incredibly fair about it and be 'oh well I don't think it was a penalty, it's not like he doesn't have a skull to protect his brain'

You joined less than a week ago and have over 100 posts, don't be calling my posts garbage when you've only just joined up on this forum.

[Atlas Lion 1,223]

Behave yourself, there's a few like you on the forum who think that Chelsea will do well is being unfair and delusional.

I bet you're the type of person when Chelsea wins a penalty you want to try and be incredibly fair about it and be 'oh well I don't think it was a penalty, it's not like he doesn't have a skull to protect his brain'

You joined less than a week ago and have over 100 posts, don't be calling my posts garbage when you've only just joined up on this forum.

Enough with the ego/seniority talk. Already met a member who laughably labeled himself as 'one of the most grounded CFC fans around' while at the same time posting nonsense that literally spat out plastic mentality. All in the while he was supported by a member named 'Bushman' or AKA Swifty, (known on Totalfootballforums) who actually won the Wooden Spoon award on that neutral footballing site, and was honored it for sheer stupidity. I shit you not.

There is being rational when stating certain aspects of how the game is played, then there is jumping on the laughable conspiracy bandwagon or fans who desperately try to find any means necessary in regards to degrading United in their recent accomplishments in absolute pathetic fashion.

Oh, and by your hypothetical, if we are awarded a penalty that wasn't, (something that happens to every fucking club not just United mind you) I'd be most grateful for it but by no means would I label it as something deserved, more by luck. As that is something a rational person would state, or is thinking rationality missing in some of you lot?

[bushman 2,043]

Cicerko,

you are not going to last here much longer, I feel. Perhaps, you should pack it up & back to your manure TTF, it would be much better for all here.

[Kojo 4,676]

Enough with the ego/seniority talk. Already met a member who laughably labeled himself as 'one of the most grounded CFC fans around' while at the same time posting nonsense that literally spat out plastic mentality. All in the while he was supported by a member named 'Bushman' or AKA Swifty, (known on Totalfootballforums) who actually won the Wooden Spoon award on that neutral footballing site, and was honored it for sheer stupidity. I shit you not.

There is being rational when stating certain aspects of how the game is played, then there is jumping on the laughable conspiracy bandwagon or fans who desperately try to find any means necessary in regards to degrading United in their recent accomplishments in absolute pathetic fashion.

Oh, and by your hypothetical, if we are awarded a penalty that wasn't, (something that happens to every fucking club not just United mind you) I'd be most grateful for it but by no means would I label it as something deserved, more by luck. As that is something a rational person would state, or is thinking rationality missing in some of you lot?

You're the one labeling around here, saying other peoples posts are garbage from the poster who joined 6 days ago. I stated why I don't think United will succeed, but because I'm labeled as the typical cocky and bitchy Chelsea fan, my opinion isn't valid. You're trying to point out that I'm the stupid one and the one who can't think rationally when really you're the one who is not accepting any side of the story.

The United fan got angry over nothing so I left him a stupid post afterwards, It's only fair. I think now that Ferguson is gone the United era will end, there club is in one of the worlds biggest debts, they have small transfer funds for title challengers, they have an average side in many places, and a new manager who is way behind Ferguson. But no my opinion is just stupid and I'm not thinking rationally or fair, I guess that's what all us down to earth and good footballing fans should do, giving the Chelsea flag the middle finger.

[Atlas Lion 1,223]

You're the one labeling around here, saying other peoples posts are garbage from the poster who joined 6 days ago. I stated why I don't think United will succeed, but because I'm labeled as the typical cocky and bitchy Chelsea fan, my opinion isn't valid. You're trying to point out that I'm the stupid one and the one who can't think rationally when really you're the one who is not accepting any side of the story.

The United fan got angry over nothing so I left him a stupid post afterwards, It's only fair. I think now that Ferguson is gone the United era will end, there club is in one of the worlds biggest debts, they have small transfer funds for title challengers, they have an average side in many places, and a new manager who is way behind Ferguson. But no my opinion is just stupid and I'm not thinking rationally or fair, I guess that's what all us down to earth and good footballing fans should do, giving the Chelsea flag the middle finger.

I assure you, you will find it difficult to find anywhere I posted using the terms 'cocky' and 'bitchy', so there is no need to conjure up anything not factual. And what side am i not accepting? The hilarious fact that the FA are favoring United or that Michael Carrick is an average player and United won the title on luck?

Instead of basing on assumptions, take a good look at what i'm actually showing concern of in regards to members on here stating absolute nonsense in how the FA apparently favor United, the officiating is more lenient towards United as if there is some kind of laughable conspiracy, the fact that now SAF is gone apparently all of their current players just lost their championship and champions league honors from their households and carry no experience or winning mentality, and are labeled average, while at the same time many are degrading Michael Carrick who has been bar non one of of the best and most consistent performers last season and was more vital to United's success while RVP went missing Feb-May.

United did what they needed to do to edge to goals, regardless of how they performed in that specific match. They did just enough to win the matches, something City and us weren't capable of. Consistency won them the title and group chemistry, not fucking officiating conspiracies which every club could be guilty for. (Torres foul on Cleverly last season or Fletcher's non foul which led to the Terry goal back in 09)

[Kojo 4,676]

I assure you, you will find it difficult to find anywhere I posted using the terms 'cocky' and 'bitchy', so there is no need to conjure up anything not factual. And what side am i not accepting? The hilarious fact that the FA are favoring United or that Michael Carrick is an average player and United won the title on luck?

Instead of basing on assumptions, take a good look at what i'm actually showing concern of in regards to members on here stating absolute nonsense in how the FA apparently favor United, the officiating is more lenient towards United as if there is some kind of laughable conspiracy, the fact that now SAF is gone apparently all of their current players just lost their championship and champions league honors from their households and carry no experience or winning mentality, and are labeled average, while at the same time many are degrading Michael Carrick who has been bar non one of of the best and most consistent performers last season and was more vital to United's success while RVP went missing Feb-May.

United did what they needed to do to edge to goals, regardless of how they performed in that specific match. They did just enough to win the matches, something City and us weren't capable of. Consistency won them the title and group chemistry, not fucking officiating conspiracies which every club could be guilty for. (Torres foul on Cleverly last season or Fletcher's non foul which led to the Terry goal back in 09)

And now you just conjured something up against me what I didn't say.

I did not say United get all the F.A decisions, and I said Michael Carrick is not world class. But I do think he's overrated to fuck, and I do think he's a passenger in the team, therefor he's incredibly average. A few good passes isn't going to change my opinion of him.

Don't even bring up 09, because that season United where incredibly lucky to be a point off us, they got the most decisions there way that season.

I was the one to have an opinion, you where the one who came in and bashed everyones opinions, so sit the fuck down and get off your high horse, because you're not the good person here. You're the one who started this whole fucking argument in the first place, get used to these forums kiddo, or you wont last here very long.

[bushman 2,043]

And now you just conjured something up against me what I didn't say.

I did not say United get all the F.A decisions, and I said Michael Carrick is not world class. But I do think he's overrated to fuck, and I do think he's a passenger in the team, therefor he's incredibly average. A few good passes isn't going to change my opinion of him.

Don't even bring up 09, because that season United where incredibly lucky to be a point off us, they got the most decisions there way that season.

I was the one to have an opinion, you where the one who came in and bashed everyones opinions, so sit the fuck down and get off your high horse, because you're not the good person here. You're the one who started this whole fucking argument in the first place, get used to these forums kiddo, or you wont last here very long.

This kid has no business here. As you said, he twists, conjures up things, & most of all trolls here.

[Atlas Lion 1,223]

And now you just conjured something up against me what I didn't say.

I did not say United get all the F.A decisions, and I said Michael Carrick is not world class. But I do think he's overrated to fuck, and I do think he's a passenger in the team, therefor he's incredibly average. A few good passes isn't going to change my opinion of him.

Don't even bring up 09, because that season United where incredibly lucky to be a point off us, they got the most decisions there way that season.

I was the one to have an opinion, you where the one who came in and bashed everyones opinions, so sit the fuck down and get off your high horse, because you're not the good person here. You're the one who started this whole fucking argument in the first place, get used to these forums kiddo, or you wont last here very long.

What could I have possibly conjure up when I have been showing my concern in regards to members posting laughable irrational stuff about the FA favoring United? Your the one that replied to me!

Michael Carrick overrated as fuck and is a passenger,,,

I'm honestly just going to just leave that there and let it dissolve for itself because there really is no need to carry on a discussion explaining the sheer importance of a holding midfielder's role and the ability one has to obtain and perform consistently in that role an entire season. Your opinion, I respect it.

Get off your high horse, Honestly mate, consider another attempt at a jibe than constantly this one, it's a repetitive bore. Kiddo isn't a decent alternative neither so continue searching please.

And in regards to your pal 'Bushman', aka Swifty. He claims that everyone, on the biggest neutral fan base football site on the net, is apparently a "Manure Cunt" and he is the minority and everyone is out to get him, indicating that apparently everyone else is the problem and it surely isn't him, He was awarded the Wooden Spoon award 2012 for displaying sheer stupidity, while at the same time I was nominated for New comer of the year. Yup, everyone is out to get Bushman.

Basically, the comments made by some in which they claim the FA are favoring United I find quite absurd. In 2010, we got 3 points off of them the first match due to a foul from Fletcher, in which it never was, that led to the Terry goal. And at old Trafford, both us and United got calls that were by no means correct. Or do those who claim the FA favor United just don't bother bringing it up? What about Luiz's consistent fouls on Rooney in which he should of been sent off back in 2011? What about the handball that wasn't given in the 3-3 draw in 2012? Carragher's challenge on Nani back in 2011? What about Atkinson? He has on more than one occasion given us the benefit of the doubt in a handful of matches to a point it looks blatant? Nobody bothered bringing that up?

[bushman 2,043]

Cicerko, just hit the road. Your famous TFF is full of cunts & I never had any desire to discuss anything with those.

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

lol this is funny, bushman cradling kojo's balls while he has a pissing contest with cicero

what a useless argument

[hjperdeath 2,226]

We should actually create a banter thread though. Isn't a bad idea....

[bushman 2,043]

lol this is funny, bushman cradling kojo's balls while he has a pissing contest with cicero

what a useless argument

Perhaps, you like to cradle nuts. I just feel, he has some valid points. Can you comprehend that ?

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

Perhaps, you like to cradle nuts. I just feel, he has some valid points. Can you comprehend that ?

i automatically assume whenever someone likes a post, they just cradled nuts, i do it often, i love cradling chelsea and anything chelsea related nuts

lol nothing against you, i just found the argument entirely useless, it started out fine then just turned pathetic and i just assumed you sided with kojo cause you hate cicero and vice versa lol

cradle dem nuts, eh!

[bushman 2,043]

i automatically assume whenever someone likes a post, they just cradled nuts, i do it often, i love cradling chelsea and anything chelsea related nuts

lol nothing against you, i just found the argument entirely useless, it started out fine then just turned pathetic and i just assumed you sided with kojo cause you hate cicero and vice versa lol

cradle dem nuts, eh!

Perhaps, that´s one way of putting it. As for cicerko, I do not hate him, rather pity him.

Yes, I agree. The argument is useless. However, when cicerko is around you will get plenty of those.