The English Football Thread

[Vesper 28,366]

5 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

You knew it was coming but we did make it so easy for them! Even with 10 men you wouldn't expect such a stupid scoreline from our side

IF we make it to the CL final, we have 10 games left

7 of those ten are against 4 or 5 (depending who wins the citeh/PSG semifinal) of the hottest and/or best 10 or so teams in Europe

2 more are against Arse and Villa (with Grealish back), hardly shit teams

only Fulham is a weak team

brutal

Edited April 22, 2021 by Vesper

[chippy 342]

21 minutes ago, Jason said:

In the midst of us reaching the FA Cup final and Champions League semi finals, has anyone actually noticed that we've only won 3 of our last 8 league games? That's one less than when we won 4 in a row in Tuchel's first 5 league games.

And only one win in last four league games too. Need a sharp turn around in form to stand any chance,  startimg on Saturday.

Its a good job we're still in the Cups, because TT's job would probably be on the line. As we know, not getting the results and boring football isnt something Roman stands for for very long.

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24 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

You knew it was coming but we did make it so easy for them! Even with 10 men you wouldn't expect such a stupid scoreline from our side

True, but at the same time we should give them some credit for playing some high quality football. That was probably as good a performance as I've ever seen from a big Sam team.

[Laylabelle 9,341]

21 minutes ago, Vesper said:

IF we make it to the CL final, we have 10 games left

7 of those ten are against 4 or 5 (depending who wins the citeh/PSG semifinal) of the hottest and/or best 10 or so teams in Europe

2 more are against Arse and Villa (with Grealish back), hardly shit teams

only Fulham is a weak team

brutal

And Fulham can be okay ish..they probably just be playing for pride so hopefully we can play for what we need to.

If we won Tuesday be more confident but its not a case of a huge gap we can be crap and it won't matter. Unfortunately this time no one is pissing off yet lol. 

West ham level.. Leicester 4 above..Liverpool 2 behind and Spurs also 2 but played a game more.

How super fun

[Vesper 28,366]

5 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

And Fulham can be okay ish..they probably just be playing for pride so hopefully we can play for what we need to.

If we won Tuesday be more confident but its not a case of a huge gap we can be crap and it won't matter. Unfortunately this time no one is pissing off yet lol. 

West ham level.. Leicester 4 above..Liverpool 2 behind and Spurs also 2 but played a game more.

How super fun

those 5 points dropped v baggies and BHA are just killing my mood now for so long

plus the super league dross

[chippy 342]

Leicester's next 3 games are very winnable for the too - H Palace. A Southampton. H Newcastle. Gets tougher after that. Away to Utd then us and finishing at home to Spurs. So by the time we play them it'll be very clear if we're still in with a chance.

 

[Laylabelle 9,341]

10 minutes ago, chippy said:

True, but at the same time we should give them some credit for playing some high quality football. That was probably as good a performance as I've ever seen from a big Sam team.

Definitely! They're not a bad bad bad side just very inconsistent. Taken points of a few top sides this season

[Pizy 18,331]

We shouldn’t even be focusing on Leicester, tbh. We need to be more mindful of what’s just behind us. 

[Vesper 28,366]

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[Strike 7,200]

8 hours ago, Jason said:

In the midst of us reaching the FA Cup final and Champions League semi finals, has anyone actually noticed that we've only won 3 of our last 8 league games? That's one less than when we won 4 in a row in Tuchel's first 5 league games.

We've definitely sacrificed team selection in the league a bit. Baffling to be honest

[Jase 43,479]

4 hours ago, Strike said:

We've definitely sacrificed team selection in the league a bit. Baffling to be honest

Totally disagree.

Have you seen our lineups in those games? There might have some complaints here and there but think most were OK with the lineups that were put out in those matches. Those lineups should still be good enough to put away the likes of Southampton, West Brom, Leeds, Brighton etc. The West Brom game was a freak game but otherwise, we had chances to put away Southampton, Leeds, Brighton and even Man United but didn't take them.

On top of that, we also have had to play a game every 3-4 days. It's almost impossible to play the same XI in every game even if we want some consistency. It also hasn't helped that the players have generally been blowing hot and cold with their form. 

And mind you, since Tuchel took over, only Man City have picked up more points than us and they have played 2 games more. This goes back to the point previously made where we have left ourselves with so little room for error after botching those games against top half teams under Lampard. 

[Strike 7,200]

5 hours ago, Jason said:

Totally disagree.

Have you seen our lineups in those games? There might have some complaints here and there but think most were OK with the lineups that were put out in those matches. Those lineups should still be good enough to put away the likes of Southampton, West Brom, Leeds, Brighton etc. The West Brom game was a freak game but otherwise, we had chances to put away Southampton, Leeds, Brighton and even Man United but didn't take them.

On top of that, we also have had to play a game every 3-4 days. It's almost impossible to play the same XI in every game even if we want some consistency. It also hasn't helped that the players have generally been blowing hot and cold with their form. 

And mind you, since Tuchel took over, only Man City have picked up more points than us and they have played 2 games more. This goes back to the point previously made where we have left ourselves with so little room for error after botching those games against top half teams under Lampard. 

Against Leeds and Brighton the team was hanging on, WBA was a no show. The rotation in defence has been on-point more or less but the attacking trio in games seems to be a game of roulette so far and that has contributed to the lack of goals and dropped points in the league.

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,281]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

Against Leeds and Brighton the team was hanging on, WBA was a no show. The rotation in defence has been on-point more or less but the attacking trio in games seems to be a game of roulette so far and that has contributed to the lack of goals and dropped points in the league.

 

Lack of goals is a collective issue.

From the front three having no understanding to the central midfielders and wing backs failing to penetrate through the middle or finding the open run. 

 

[Atomiswave 6,072]

Gigs been charged for assaulting 2 women........if that shit was JT he would be hanged by now.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,416]

Over 60,000 protesters in front of Emirates stadium. I love the sign, "Kroenke I wouldn't wish you on the Spurs".😂

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[Jase 43,479]

5 hours ago, Strike said:

Against Leeds and Brighton the team was hanging on, WBA was a no show. The rotation in defence has been on-point more or less but the attacking trio in games seems to be a game of roulette so far and that has contributed to the lack of goals and dropped points in the league.

To say we were hanging on against Brighton is stretching it. They created zilch until Zouma tried to give them an early Christmas present. 

Despite our attacking problems, we still had chances to score against Brighton and especially Leeds but Havertz, for example, squandered them when presented with those opportunities.

[Laylabelle 9,341]

On 22/04/2021 at 23:03, Pizy said:

We shouldn’t even be focusing on Leicester, tbh. We need to be more mindful of what’s just behind us. 

Yeahh it's definitely worrying! And so sodding close. Liverpool 2 behind..Spurs 2 behind but played more. Level with West Ham as it stands..hopefully after today be clear of them not behind. Dont like it.