Roman wants Jose back?

[Ollie 4,400]

I didn't think we were boring under Jose except for the first 6 games or so. ppl remember him as boring because we didn't concede many goals or score 5's n 6's. We scored a lot of 4's tho. I remember when we beat Newcastle 4-0, sitting in a pub in kingston and thinking "fuck me, this is awesome, we're fucking quality" and even when we lost at anfield 1-0 in the ucl, the performance was fantastic. We've been a hell of a lot more boring this season under the same manager who led us to the double, scoring like 103 league goals in the process last season. We had the squad to be boring or exciting under Jose. I hate the word boring, it's solid, organised and quite frankly.... Ruthless!

Jose is simply the master and nobody who trully understands football can deny it.

[DYC. 7,542]

I think you will find that I responded to you're original post & I quote -

'Mourinho's tactical mastery would mean nothing without ROMAN'S MILLIONS'

So I put a counter argument to you stating that winning titles is NOT just about being given a pot of gold as Ranieri never managed it despite spending more than Jose & if you want more proof if Jose success without spending large amounts of cash then look at his achievements at Proto before he was installed as our manager.

But just because Ranieri didn't win the league immediately, doesn't mean he failed. He got one year and had to win the league with a new team. And he had to finish above a side that didn't lose a single game as well (that's where the luck part comes in). That's hard and not managing that doesn't mean you failed, well not if you ask me. Mourinho did win the league in his first season so he did a great job but he did have the benefit of having a more settled team.

But again, what if Real Madrid fires Mourinho after having spent 70-80 mil and 250 mil worth of players coming in the summer before because he didn't win the league (or won the CL). Would you say he failed or is this a case of impatience from Real Madrid?

If you start a project like Roman's, you should appoint a manager and give him a realistic amount of time to achieve the goals you have set for him. Manuel Pellegrini didn't fail at Madrid, Real was just impatient.

I know what he did at Porto (and Uniao de Leiria before that) but we are not talking about Mourinho's achievements as a manager here.

I think you are digging yourself into a hole because you seem to have taken my posts into a different context even suggesting that I am turning this thread into a ' Mourinho did better than Rainieri' when I was merely pointing out & correctly that Mourinho spent money but made us into Champions which is something not every manager can do, you only have to look at Man City last 2 managers, or Real Madrid when they went 4 years without a trophy early this decade or Inter before they started there recent revival.

Yes, what Mourinho did is something that not every manager can do. Never said the opposite.

You say you are not being disrespectful of Jose but then make comments like he is tactically nothing without Romans millions - well I think that is a contradiction & also state that he is not the only manager that could if lead us to success - well that may of been so but the facts are he did lead us to success, yes Jose not Ranieri nor Joe blinking public.

I never said Mourinho is tactically nothing without Roman's millions, I said that him being a great tactician wouldn't mean a thing without having great team (thanks to Roman's millions), which was a reply to Terminator X's comment saying that Mourinho being a great tactician led us to titles.

You might not see coming 2nd to Barca as an under achievement & I can see were your coming from but trust me Jose will as he strives to be the best because he has that winning mentality something he installs into his teams to make them winners.

These are assumptions though. I don't think he'll see coming second to arguably one of the greatest sides in the history of the game as an underachievement with a 'brand new' team, still having to get used to each other, getting used to the league and growing an understandment with each other. All things Barcelona do have. But you might be right, I might be right, we don't know what goes through his mind

And I'll say this just so nobody starts thinking the opposite, Mourinho is a great coach and he achieved great things at Chelsea.

[GodZola 630]

Mourinhos Chelsea's was boring. Fact. NOT A FACT, PLEASE EXPLAIN?

Chelsea under Mourinho was hated around the world and it reflected in bad decisions made by referees. Fact. WHAT DECISIONS WOULD THAT BE? IF WE ARE HATED BY AROUND THE WORLD WHY DO WE HAVE A HUGE MULTI CULTURAL FAN BASE FROM MANY COUNTRIES & IT'S EVEN EVIDENT ON THIS FORUM.

Mourinho is a great coach. Fact. I CONCUR!

Mourinho is the most arrogant character in football. Fact. AGREE BUT THAT ALSO MAKES HIM A WINNER & HIS TEAMS CHAMPIONS & DOUBLE CL WINNERS.

Mourinho won 2 PL trophies because of his tatics and of the winning spirit he put on the team. Fact. YEAH I GO ALONG WITH THAT.

Mourinho won 2 PL trophies because of Romans billions. Fact. CONTRADICTION SEE YOU'RE ABOVE POINT.

Mourinhos tatics were responsible for Chelseas inability to score a fucking single goal in 180 minutes against and avarage Liverpool side in a CL sf. Fact. AN AVERAGE LIVERPOOL SIDE THAT WENT ON TO LIFT THE TROPHY, EIDUR GUDJONSEN MISSED AN OPEN GOAL RIGHT AT THE END OF THE SECOND LEG CAN'T BLAME JOSE FOR THAT.

Mourinho is a glory hunter. Fact. DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS COMMENT AT ALL, PLEASE EXPLAIN.

Thats it. He is good but I dont want him and all the bad things that would come with him. FAIR COMMENT & YOU'RE OPINION.

Im not anti Mourinho.

[Madmax 9,219]

Let's not pretend that Mourinho would have come to Chelsea even if he didn't have Roman's millions backing him ...

[GodZola 630]

And I'll say this just so nobody starts thinking the opposite, Mourinho is a great coach and he achieved great things at Chelsea.

Jose had the same problems in overcoming an unbeaten Arsenal side & despatched them by winning the title by 12 points - there's no luck in that so don't see were you are coming from?

I already stated that Jose benefited from some of Ranieri signing namely the great Makelele but he also introduced Drogba, Carvalho, Ferreira & promoted Cech to the number 1 keeper ahead of an already quality one in Cudicini, he then gave that side confidence & a will to win, motivation, made them think they were the best team in the world, that's why he ALSO managed it in his first season.

Jose is not happy with his squad at Real Madrid & made noises in Jan transfer window, this is despite the previous manager spending 220m so he clearly wants to add his own stamp on them by signing some new acquisitions. Jose will not settle for 2nd & will strive to get passed them, most people will probably agree that there's no disgrace In coming second best to arguably the best footballing side ever but Jose will strive to find a way to topple them.

I will not comment on the rest of you're last post as I think we are going round in circles & am getting dizzy now!

[Term-X 7,891]

Let's not pretend that Mourinho would have come to Chelsea even if he didn't have Roman's millions backing him ...

Why does that matter?

He fell in love with the club, and will forever be a cult figure here.

The fact you hate Mourinho but love Kalou, is the most retarded thing in the history of anything btw.

[St Abramovich 175]

Just want to say on this Mourinho vs. Ranieri argument that Carlo won more in his first season spending less money than either.

"King Carlo, more than Special"

[Randall 315]

Why does that matter?

He fell in love with the club, and will forever be a cult figure here.

The fact you hate Mourinho but love Kalou, is the most retarded thing in the history of anything btw.

Here here!

It doesn't matter how Mourinho did it, or if he only did it because of the money blah blah point is that he did it, and he gave the club the title it had been waiting 50 years for.

[Madmax 9,219]

Why does that matter?

The fact you hate Mourinho but love Kalou, is the most retarded thing in the history of anything btw.

Of course it matters, Roman's money lured him to the club, but it's enitrely a credit to Mourinho that he utilized his resources as well as he did.

And lmao, you've got to be fucking blind if you think I hate Mourinho. I've mentioned all the time that I respect him. And yes, I love Kalou, what's your fucking point?

Why do I bother with you? Idiot.

[zolayes 14,489]

My first and hopefully my only post on this topic...

Facts first and these are actually facts .

Jose was successful in bringing us our first top league title .in 50 years

he then won a second ,,,something we hadnt done before or since.

He has delivered trophies wherever he has been .

he has won league titles in 3 different countries...

Those are all FACTS ...

These are opinions ...note the difference Henriques .

I don.t contribute to the school of thought that calls his football boring , He is a pragmatist rather than an idealist . His aim is to win ...beautiful

flowing football if it wont win will be rejected by him ..

During his second season with us I sometimes wished for a more expansive style which wasnt always forthcoming.

The boring tag was given by the media , Remember they even put a reward out for the first player to score against us.

His rows with authority did damage our image but many other managers have been equally as bad .

Im not paranoid but I do believe there is a Media agenda ,,,seeing us upset their "Red favourites" Jose and all things Chelsea were a natural target.

Jose is a Chelsea legend ,,,he has written large parts of our history .

But he is history and we have moved on and there should be no turning back.

I hope Carlo stays but if he does leave I would prefer a new coach and not Jose to return...

[DYC. 7,542]

Jose is not happy with his squad at Real Madrid & made noises in Jan transfer window, this is despite the previous manager spending 220m so he clearly wants to add his own stamp on them by signing some new acquisitions.

That was purely about his strikers, he wanted to add another striker to his squad. Higuaín was out and Benzema wasn't performing so he only had one non-performing striker at his disposal.

[Kez 2,727]

Mourinhos Chelsea's was boring. Fact.

Mourinhos tatics were responsible for Chelseas inability to score a fucking single goal in 180 minutes against and avarage Liverpool side in a CL sf. Fact.

Mourinho is a glory hunter. Fact.

No, we failed to score because they parked the bus & defending for the majority of the game after getting a lucky decision when the ball clearly didn't cross the line.

& he's a manager that wants to be successful he's obviously going to go places where he can win trophies.

[GodZola 630]

Let's not pretend that Mourinho would have come to Chelsea even if he didn't have Roman's millions backing him ...

Why did he need to leave Porto then? Who had just won the CL by spending next to nothing? Off course the transfer kitty was an incentive for his decision to come to us but winning trophies is what makes other clubs notice talent & the same reason why Boas is being looked at by many clubs & do you think he will turn a good offer down from one of the top European clubs?

[Madmax 9,219]

Why did he need to leave Porto then? Who had just won the CL by spending next to nothing? Off course the transfer kitty was an incentive for his decision to come to us but winning trophies is what makes other clubs notice talent & the same reason why Boas is being looked at by many clubs & do you think he will turn a good offer down from one of the top European clubs?

We weren't a top club when he came here, we hadn't even won the league in 50 years, let alone being a top European club. Roman obviously saw Mourinho's talent and he had the money to lure him over. Mourinho understood he'd have massive resources at his disposal in addition to the chance to cement his reputation by moving to a much better league.

Like I said, I give all the credit in the world to Mourinho for making excellent use of Roman's money, but it's useless pretending the money is not a major part of what got him here in the first place.

It's a marriage of Roman's generosity and Mourinho's acumen that we won the stuff we did, so I don't see why people should be troubled by the idea of attributing our success to them both, and not Mourinho alone.

[GodZola 630]

We weren't a top club when he came here, we hadn't even won the league in 50 years, let alone being a top European club. Roman obviously saw Mourinho's talent and he had the money to lure him over. n addition to the chance to cement his reputation by moving to a much better league.

So by you're assumptions, his decision to manage us was not purely judged on Romans millions then no?

[Madmax 9,219]

So by you're assumptions, his decision to manage us was not purely judged on Romans millions then no?

Read the first para of my last post again

[GodZola 630]

Read the first para of my last post again

Why do I need to when I have quoted the things that are relevant already?

I don't understand why you make a comment about Jose only coming to our club because of Romans millions when you quite clearly don't think that is the sole reason he decided to manage us, why couldn't you add that paragraph in to you're original post? Then other posters could see some reasoning behind you're post?

[Madmax 9,219]

I don't understand why you make a comment about Jose only coming to our club because of Romans millions when you quite clearly don't think that is the sole reason he decided to manage us, why couldn't you add that paragraph in to you're original post? Then other posters could see some reasoning behind you're post?

My original post mentioned the reasons I think why Mourinho came here, in the first paragraph itself. Yet you ask me a question I'd already answered. All the users can see my reasoning, because it's there in plain words. You're the only who can't even though it's all there in the first post. I'm not going to repeat myself everytime you consider it proper to ask me stuff I've answered already.

So, for the last time, my original post which pre-addressed your redundant query -

We weren't a top club when he came here, we hadn't even won the league in 50 years, let alone being a top European club. Roman obviously saw Mourinho's talent and he had the money to lure him over. Mourinho understood he'd have massive resources at his disposal in addition to the chance to cement his reputation by moving to a much better league.

[GodZola 630]

Let's not pretend that Mourinho would have come to Chelsea even if he didn't have Roman's millions backing him ...

No, this is the original post I am talking about were you quite clearly are stating that Jose was only lured by 'Romans millions' it is only when I questioned you that you gave me & others a different outlook into why Jose decided to manage us & not just because he was going to get a transfer kitty from Roman! Other users also took umbrage to the above quote so its not just me that doesn't see you're reasoning.

[Madmax 9,219]

No, this is the original post I am talking about were you quite clearly are stating that Jose was only lured by 'Romans millions' it is only when I questioned you that you gave me & others a different outlook into why Jose decided to manage us & not just because he was going to get a transfer kitty from Roman! Other users also took umbrage to the above quote so its not just me that doesn't see you're reasoning.

LOL delusion.

I gave no 'different outlook', my principal view didn't change anywhere. I merely expanded upon my previous comment.

You are the only one who replied to my specific posts. I don't know why you fail to see what I've put there in clear words. Can't help you with that mate.