The Doubters

[BlueLion. 21,491]

And then there are people like me who support the club, and not Ancelotti or Abramovich or even Mourinho.

[madalista 30]

People who support Carlo have so few valid points to support him, that they are always saying the same fucking bullshit about the ones who want him out not being a real Chelsea's fan.

okay say we sack carlo....who do we get then?

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Mourinho of course Don't forget we have a lot of people who live in fantasy land and play FIFA and Football Manager on here. People need to stop living in a dream world and realise its the fact our squad is not good enough that we're in the predicament we're in.

[Jose M 140]

We need stability and sacking Carlo would do the opposite. I have huuuge faith in Carlo and If we still want to bring in the best Brazilian talent in the world then we have to stick with Carlo! Get rid of Malouda, anelka ect ect!

[eldo 868]

People who support Carlo have so few valid points to support him, that they are always saying the same fucking bullshit about the ones who want him out not being a real Chelsea's fan.

Similar could be said about you.

[Laylabelle 9,539]

Let's say we do bring in Mourinho or Hiddink back, and we go another year without a trophy. Then what? Sack them again and look for someone new?

Exactly! And like said on the other topic.We keep sacking it aint gana attract people to come and want to take over.They'd look at in a sort of 'I go on a bad run and Im out' sorta deal

Everyone has a bad season now and then.Man U have a few of them recently and only the more twattish of their fans have been calling for Ferguson to go despite everything he's done for them in the past! Its crazy! Our whole money situation isnt going to be helped if we just go around sacking managers.

And admit while Im in a ahhh we're going crap stage,my mums kinda 'meh been here before etc..'

[neel 257]

Win or not win I want flair in football. The reason for our downfall is our player. It takes pain to say this because my most favorite player is not doing any better. Whether Ancelotti should stay ? By seeing this season I dont know the answer but he definitely deserve a benefit of doubt. Be patient for another season then jump into conclusion. Two season without trophies is not end of the world. Barca did not win league or europe for 5 consecutive years early this century.

[diskoviolente 425]

This thread sums up perfectly why I sometimes feel so sick and tired of argueing on this forum which once was a great place to discuss the issues of our beloved club.

Now it seems to be overcrowded with people who don´t exactly see the complexety of the beautiful game and the dificulties that is behind all the SkySports-modelled Premier League world with all these great goal compilations, their only-surface-scratching match analyses and so on. Get yourself some football knowledge and you realise that most of the reportet stuff is just there to make money with easy minded footie talk. Go out and play football yourself and you know what it´s like to have a drop in confidence and when your team doesn´t perform and you don´t know why.

There acutall human beings involved in the game, i´ve heard.

I am sick of this discussions about Carlo getting the sack, potential transfers who make no sense if you look at the way our club has been doing transfer buisness lately, of all this talking about "selling lists" as if this was Fifa11 Manager or whatnot. Sometimes I get the impression that I hear opposition supporters stateting their oppinion and ripping Chelsea, it´s players and coaching staff into pieces without any sense of what is real and what not in the game.

I miss members like Kez etc. who have always been a profound and reasonable voice in here.

Sorry mates,

rant over.

[GodZola 630]

People/posters should not be criticized for having an opinion whether right or wrong, there is no problem having a sensible debate about this topic but just because some want Ancelotti out, they should not be sent to Coventry for it & vise versa. I'm against Carlo staying but I won't start throwing accusations/stones at the pro Carlo posters - that doesn't make them any less of a supporter than me & are very much entitled to their opinion, thats what forums are about ffs.

This thread is an extension of the Ancelotti out in the summer one, I've gave my reasons on there why I would favour a change but added that if Carlo remains, I would love him to prove me wrong as I have nothing but respect for the guy in terms of personality, however I just don't see us winning the CL under his management & the reasons why we have gone backwards this season is due to the fact he has let things happen that a Jose or a Ferguson would not allow, managers need their own idendity, should never be undermined by superiors who have very little or no knowledge of footballing decisions. If Ancelotti stays he has to put his foot down & get to grips with the hierarchy for us to move forward in the future & the same can be said about any new appointment.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Ignorance is bliss.

Forgive me for my misunderstanding, but this thread is Pro-Carlo fans attacking Non-Carlo fans. Ridiculous.

3 years.

3 years it took Sir Alex Ferguson to win a trophy at Man United, being the FA Cup.Only in the third did people start calling for him to be sacked.

Shane, you've made a very good point here, however I agree with BLionheart..

please if you think carlo should stay because he is a good coach tactically and you like his man-management skills then i will be very interested in discussing this , but if your only reason is stability then pardon me but that's fuckin bullshit ......

Stability is needed but i would rather be stable as a top club rather than being stable as an average club , give a look at arsenal they do have stability don't they !! but stability is not everything, is it?

Because everyone wants "stability", but only if the right coach is there. We're not annoyed about lack of trophies and all, we're annoyed because there seems be a flaw in the coach which we feel is not positive for the team. It's not because he's failed to deliver, it's his actual management skills. BLionheart has demonstrated these points well..

People who support Carlo have so few valid points to support him, that they are always saying the same fucking bullshit about the ones who want him out not being a real Chelsea's fan.

This is a very key point linking back to BLH's post. If you do support Carlo, please use valid points, don't attack fans who don't think he's the right man, it's quite immature & petty. (this is aimed generally)

So please, please, pretty please, let's not make this about "I'm a better fan than you" let's have a debate about Carlo Ancelotti's actual management

[Guest justin_3d]

Good post.

And this is my last post here. There are too many plastic fans here that is sickening.

I'll be on rojadirecta where the real fans with a good sense of perspective are.

Peace!

[Peace. 4,352]

Good post.

And this is my last post here. There are too many plastic fans here that is sickening.

You are fucking ridiculous with your 'plastic fan' and 'glory hunter"...

[Madmax 9,219]

Good grief now we have people issuing Henrique-esque quit threats *palmface*

[eldo 868]

Ignorance is bliss.

Forgive me for my misunderstanding, but this thread is Pro-Carlo fans attacking Non-Carlo fans. Ridiculous.

Shane, you've made a very good point here, however I agree with BLionheart..

Because everyone wants "stability", but only if the right coach is there. We're not annoyed about lack of trophies and all, we're annoyed because there seems be a flaw in the coach which we feel is not positive for the team. It's not because he's failed to deliver, it's his actual management skills. BLionheart has demonstrated these points well..

This is a very key point linking back to BLH's post. If you do support Carlo, please use valid points, don't attack fans who don't think he's the right man, it's quite immature & petty. (this is aimed generally)

So please, please, pretty please, let's not make this about "I'm a better fan than you" let's have a debate about Carlo Ancelotti's actual management

Come on LDN don't play that game, you are better than that. Henrique and co. can use some invalid points too. Who brought the argument of double first? Who puts words in our mouths?

Carlo made some mistakes, I can admit that. But nowadays everything is his fault. Your gang makes up some point too. Should I list those?

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Come on LDN don't play that game, you are better than that. Henrique and co. can use some invalid points too. Who brought the argument of double first? Who puts words in our mouths?

Carlo made some mistakes, I can admit that. But nowadays everything is his fault. Your gang makes up some point too. Should I list those?

I won't lie eldo, you're right. Us, who think Carlo is not good enough, do get personal too.

Hence my over all message at the end of that post. Let's forget all this "spoilt fan" nonsense, this thread is tarnished with little digs like that.

[jteezy 39]

..............Anyyyway

I think Carlo got his tactics right today. We worked the left flank really well (thanks to cole) and our defence seemed solid (with the exception of the goal).

Overall I think we should wait until the end of the season before judging him.

If he could get nando to socre goals like he did a few years back, we'd be unstoppable!

[BomTrett 50]

Some good valid points being made here. I hate the idea that he should be sacked because of this season, and the lack of silverware. I hate that thought with any manager brought into this club theres that sort of target on their head should they not win silverware. Far enough if its a couple of seasons without success and the team is playing poorly, but Carlo came to Chelsea last year and won the double, and the community shield to add to that. Amazing feat from a manager who had never managed in england before. Incredible from Carlo, and a manager we finally thought would be at chelsea for years. And yet we come to this point where people doubt him and think he should be out!

In all honesty the TEAM have played poor this season, and thats why Chelsea have performed below par. Essien, Drogba, Anelka, Malouda, Lampard.. the list goes on, these key players have under-performed and as a result, we havent been brilliant. The summer will be a perfect time for things to be rethought, who to bring in/ who to play. Also to ask questions, best formation, key roles in the team. It shouldnt be a time for new manager speculation.

In Carlo we trust... pains me to see people doubting him.

[Ollie 4,400]

These Carlo threads are quite annoying because we all know who he is and what he won with us last season. Last season, Man Utd were in a transition, selling Ronaldo and Tevez, 2 of their 3 best players, we ought to have won the league really and even then we lost 6 games and won it by just a point. I was so happy at the end of the season tho, i loved Carlo because he seemed to have got the best out of his players in the last 7-8 games and we completely battered teams and won the double and i was buzzing for the next season because i thought Carlo had it sorted.

Stoke 7-0

Villa 7-1

Sunderland 7-2

Portsmouth 5-0

Wigan 8-0

Blackburn 5-0

By the end of last season, we were confident and we were playing the best football i had ever seen from a chelsea team. 103 league goals, free flowing, expansive. Everyone was on top of their game.

Start of the 2010-11 season:

WBA 6-0

Wigan 6-0

Blackpool 4-0

On October 30th, we beat Blackburn 2-1 to be 5 points clear in the premiership and have our best start to a season in 4 years or so, we then beat Spartak Moscow 4-1 and all was rosy. Played 10, won 8, drew 1, lost 1. Can't ask for much more, started as we left off the season before.

Then Ray Wilkins was sacked and the season died, dropped points after dropped points, everyone out of form, the goals dried up, the body language was shit and we just couldn't buy a win. Surely the MANAGER should get the players motivated and not let this happen. bad moment, unlucky whatever, the fact was that we were getting further behind the leaders week by week and out of the race completely. What Ray Wilkins gave the team obviously was a lot better than what Ancellotti gave the team because stats don't lie and you don't lose confidence and form that badly just like that. We weren't just hitting a minor blip, this was a complete collapse from november 7th and january 15th. Something was obviously wrong behind the scenes.

Now who to blame? Roman got rid of Jose when things were perfect. He got rid of Ranieri when things were fucking great, the best for a long time, maybe ever at the time. He got rid of Ray Wilkins after he had worked with Carlo to win us the double and were in amazing form in the current period, last season ended breathtakingly.

Now Carlo needs to prove that he can actually bounce back from this shit season and turn it around. He needs to bring in a number 2 who will work with the players and inspire them, like a Maldini or a Desailly. Someone who will give a buzz around the place. Atm Carlo is working alone and it just isn't working. All the best teams have a great manager and a great number 2, we have a great manager but then there's a void imo.

ALSO... Carlo needs to be braver with his selections and stop playing players out of position (Anelka) and players out of form (Lampard, Malouda, Anelka) and stop making the same pointless changes that never change the game. With 2 NATURAL WINGERS like Young and Bale, we'd be amazing but we don't have natural wingers and we play wingers, i don't get it.

We got knocked out of the 2 Champions League campaigns against 2 teams that had settled teams and everyone knew their role 110%. They were organised and they had belief. Against Inter and especially Man Utd, we showed no belief we could actually get through and not everyone knew their jobs. Also we didn't and still don't know our best XI or our best formation.

Carlo... 2 proper wingers please, a proper number 2 and a settled formation and we'll be laughing.

Edited April 16, 2011 by OllieCFC

[Madmax 9,219]

Top post mate. Very balanced, something rare to see these days.

[Guest Homer2Chelsea]

These Carlo threads are quite annoying because we all know who he is and what he won with us last season. Last season, Man Utd were in a transition, selling Ronaldo and Tevez, 2 of their 3 best players, we ought to have won the league really and even then we lost 6 games and won it by just a point. I was so happy at the end of the season tho, i loved Carlo because he seemed to have got the best out of his players in the last 7-8 games and we completely battered teams and won the double and i was buzzing for the next season because i thought Carlo had it sorted.

Stoke 7-0

Villa 7-1

Sunderland 7-2

Portsmouth 5-0

Wigan 8-0

Blackburn 5-0

By the end of last season, we were confident and we were playing the best football i had ever seen from a chelsea team. 103 league goals, free flowing, expansive. Everyone was on top of their game.

Start of the 2010-11 season:

WBA 6-0

Wigan 6-0

Blackpool 4-0

On October 30th, we beat Blackburn 2-1 to be 5 points clear in the premiership and have our best start to a season in 4 years or so, we then beat Spartak Moscow 4-1 and all was rosy. Played 10, won 8, drew 1, lost 1. Can't ask for much more, started as we left off the season before.

Then Ray Wilkins was sacked and the season died, dropped points after dropped points, everyone out of form, the goals dried up, the body language was shit and we just couldn't buy a win. Surely the MANAGER should get the players motivated and not let this happen. bad moment, unlucky whatever, the fact was that we were getting further behind the leaders week by week and out of the race completely. What Ray Wilkins gave the team obviously was a lot better than what Ancellotti gave the team because stats don't lie and you don't lose confidence and form that badly just like that. We weren't just hitting a minor blip, this was a complete collapse from november 7th and january 15th. Something was obviously wrong behind the scenes.

Now who to blame? Roman got rid of Jose when things were perfect. He got rid of Ranieri when things were fucking great, the best for a long time, maybe ever at the time. He got rid of Ray Wilkins after he had worked with Carlo to win us the double and were in amazing form in the current period, last season ended breathtakingly.

Now Carlo needs to prove that he can actually bounce back from this shit season and turn it around. He needs to bring in a number 2 who will work with the players and inspire them, like a Maldini or a Desailly. Someone who will give a buzz around the place. Atm Carlo is working alone and it just isn't working. All the best teams have a great manager and a great number 2, we have a great manager but then there's a void imo.

ALSO... Carlo needs to be braver with his selections and stop playing players out of position (Anelka) and players out of form (Lampard, Malouda, Anelka) and stop making the same pointless changes that never change the game. With 2 NATURAL WINGERS like Young and Bale, we'd be amazing but we don't have natural wingers and we play wingers, i don't get it.

We got knocked out of the 2 Champions League campaigns against 2 teams that had settled teams and everyone knew their role 110%. They were organised and they had belief. Against Inter and especially Man Utd, we showed no belief we could actually get through and not everyone knew their jobs. Also we didn't and still don't know our best XI or our best formation.

Carlo... 2 proper wingers please, a proper number 2 and a settled formation and we'll be laughing.

Couldn't agree more. People need to realise that neither Guus or Jose are coming back, their both history, that's that.