Grant Equals Mourinho Record

[PaulH 2]

I do like the word pleb. Insulting yet funny

[changingman2000 35]

I do like the word pleb. Insulting yet funny

"Pleb" does indeed tend to do the trick. See "Bluelionsenior", you've only gone and fucking inspired me! I'M INSPIRED!!!!!!!

[Elliott 7]

Bit dangerous CM to assume you are more intelligent because you're older. More knowledgeable sure, but intelligence is something you're born with, you either have it or you don't, and whilst I'm not saying you're not intelligent, to assume you are is as naive as us youngsters are prone to being through a lack of experience. Your wealth of experience will help you see this better, but the fact that you assume you know best makes me wary of your opinion.

Some here probably thought I was a Grant supporter in the early days of his reign. Of course really I was just being realistic - I wasn't happy with his appointment, but he was obviously going nowhere, so might as well get behind him whilst he strives to prove himself.

Now I think he's proved himself competent in making the best decision he possibly could, which misschief highlighted; following Jose's footsteps with similar tactics and application. Do I think he's better than Mourinho or anywhere near him? Of course not. Time will tell though. He has failed to beat the top teams in the league, although against Manchester United we were desperately unlucky with a dodgy referee, against Arsenal he clearly got his tactics wrong. One part of me wants to ask, well would have Jose done any better in the circumstance? But I'd rather avoid that simply because it is impossible to tell (although the 6-0 against Manchester City I think was very unlikely to have happened under Mourinho).

However that newspaper journal article above points a poignant thing out in that Grant has dealt better with long term adversity than Jose, both in attitude and application, at least on paper. Of course some of our holiday period results were lucky, but then again, so were our results LAST holiday period too, and that time we could only get draws mostly. I'm not so convinced on Grant's ability to deal with problems during a match, he seems slower to react and that suggests he lacks the anticipation and foresight Jose had.

However, Grant hasn't turned out to be the disaster we were all predicting. If we win trophies this season, as it looks likely we will, I'll be happy with the season as long as we at least stay in touch with the top two. Grant will never be Jose, because he lacks the charisma and sense of humour, but if he is successful, I'll be happy.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

I agree with you Elliott. I dont like the fact he is manager but at the end of the day he is and we can't do much to change that.

[changingman2000 35]

Bit dangerous CM to assume you are more intelligent because you're older. More knowledgeable sure, but intelligence is something you're born with, you either have it or you don't, and whilst I'm not saying you're not intelligent, to assume you are is as naive as us youngsters are prone to being through a lack of experience. Your wealth of experience will help you see this better, but the fact that you assume you know best makes me wary of your opinion.

Some here probably thought I was a Grant supporter in the early days of his reign. Of course really I was just being realistic - I wasn't happy with his appointment, but he was obviously going nowhere, so might as well get behind him whilst he strives to prove himself.

Now I think he's proved himself competent in making the best decision he possibly could, which misschief highlighted; following Jose's footsteps with similar tactics and application. Do I think he's better than Mourinho or anywhere near him? Of course not. Time will tell though. He has failed to beat the top teams in the league, although against Manchester United we were desperately unlucky with a dodgy referee, against Arsenal he clearly got his tactics wrong. One part of me wants to ask, well would have Jose done any better in the circumstance? But I'd rather avoid that simply because it is impossible to tell (although the 6-0 against Manchester City I think was very unlikely to have happened under Mourinho).

However that newspaper journal article above points a poignant thing out in that Grant has dealt better with long term adversity than Jose, both in attitude and application, at least on paper. Of course some of our holiday period results were lucky, but then again, so were our results LAST holiday period too, and that time we could only get draws mostly. I'm not so convinced on Grant's ability to deal with problems during a match, he seems slower to react and that suggests he lacks the anticipation and foresight Jose had.

However, Grant hasn't turned out to be the disaster we were all predicting. If we win trophies this season, as it looks likely we will, I'll be happy with the season as long as we at least stay in touch with the top two. Grant will never be Jose, because he lacks the charisma and sense of humour, but if he is successful, I'll be happy.

Erm Elliot, I'm sorry to have to explain what must be an alien concept to you mate...............I was joking, taking the piss, extracting the urine. No need to go all Jeremy Kyle on me.

"but the fact that you assume you know best makes me wary of your opinion." Dear boy, please dont go on my opinion, My opinion is what it is......My Opinion. Feel free to be "wary", No one can say anyone's "opinion" is wrong. And I didnt assume I knew best, no more than some early morning banter........now please go away and haunt some else eh

Edited January 26, 2008 by changingman2000

[Elliott 7]

Well alright, I wasn't really responding the above exchange with BLS, but your earlier post a page back.

I'm glad you don't think your opinion as gospel

[bigbluewillie 1,871]

"and on the internet to boot"? how else do you want us to make contact?, smoke signals?, and just who said I was "older" than you?!

alright CM don't panic i now confirm i'm the eldest on here

and i think the longest serving supporter, 45 years or there about.... can't remember my first match i'm to old and my memory's gone :huh:

regards: JBD

[changingman2000 35]

alright CM don't panic i now confirm i'm the eldest on here

and i think the longest serving supporter, 45 years or there about.... can't remember my first match i'm to old and my memory's gone :huh:

regards: JBD

And the deserve the utmost respect JBD, fair play to you mate

[changingman2000 35]

Well alright, I wasn't really responding the above exchange with BLS, but your earlier post a page back.

I'm glad you don't think your opinion as gospel

You know Elliott, I think you would come to like me if you just gave me a wee chance. I'm patronising, self indulgent, self opinionated, selfish with, quite frankly, a terrible, terrible accent. Apart from that I'm pretty much tickety boo

[Elliott 7]

You know Elliott, I think you would come to like me if you just gave me a wee chance. I'm patronising, self indulgent, self opinionated, selfish with, quite frankly, a terrible, terrible accent. Apart from that I'm pretty much tickety boo

Nah I don't dislike you, you're a credit to this forum I can disagree with you without disliking you!

[changingman2000 35]

Nah I don't dislike you, you're a credit to this forum I can disagree with you without disliking you!

Why Thank you, But tell me, is there anything we will/can EVER agree with?

[Elliott 7]

Why Thank you, But tell me, is there anything we will/can EVER agree with?

Haha. Erm... How's about Mourinho is a better manager than Grant? If you disagree with me on that one I shall be very surprised!

[Guest TheStylishKidInTheRiot]

Maybe Cousin Avi is starting to prove himself and the idiots who still sing mourinho and you do know what your doing (which does not help the team what so ever) will be proved wrong..

[misschief 24]

Apologies dear, was Julie Goodyear a tadge harsh? I was originally going to "plum" for Pauline Fowler

Ok great, from a tarty northern barmaid to a dead woman........keep digging that hole.

You know misschief, debating with some of the up and coming Bamber's in here. Its becoming more and more clear that maybe there is a "divide" with the level's of intelligence on here.....................................with us "older" ones clearly on a higher plain

Older one's? I take it you're referring to yourself, JBD and FB there?

Ok back on topic yeah I think the divide comes from some people being happy as long as the results keep coming, after all, it wasnt that long ago when we were struggling a bit and looking pretty unconvincing that the 'Grant's ok' bandwagon lost a bit of momentum - we get into a final and hey ho, he's doing a good job again. Our opinion might not be fully understood but at least its been consistent.

[Fulham Broadway 16,987]

Thats pathetic FB.

"He wrangled his way into it"? How? By accepting a job as director of football? Again, he was hardly going to say no was he? No disrespect to Portsmouth, but i'm sure most would rather have that job here than there.

"He's (Grant) a useless lump" and "and Ten Cates and Clarke are doing a sterling job", why is it that way round? Do you see our training sessions every day?

As for your "I hope he drops dead tomorrow" comment, I think thats just pathetic. Your team and your manager need your support, so sort it out.

No one particularly 'likes' Avram, but hes doing a good job, and he deserves credit.

Yes, we all doubted his ability at the start, but he's done very little wrong. He's not a character like Jose was, so what? As much as I loved Jose for that, its kind of nice having the press off our backs a little bit in that respect.

Well his Israeli counterparts have said he knows nothing about football and everything about positioning himself amongst the wealthy and powerful to increase his bank balance. He did this with Gaydemark , and then sidled up to Abramovich when in Israel.

OK you say its not Clarke and Ten cates because I ''dont see training sessions every day''. No but I've read the reports. ''Players know more what he doesnt do than what he does'' Conversely what evidence do you have he's doing a good job? Do you see the training sessions ? Do you fuck.

Ok the managers I've seen deserve some respect -Sexton, Neal, Hoddle, Bobby Cambell, Gullitt, Shellito, Blanchflower, Bobby Gould, , Vialli, Ranieri, Mourinho even fucking Porterfield, Geoff Hurst and Rix. This is the first cunt that deserves zero. You're what 18 ? From your blind adoration of the charlatan, it would be easy to label yourself as laughable, and pathetic as well. But I wont.

Anyone can buy a McDonalds franchise for £200 000+ and make a profit, yet know fuck all about manageing it. You have managers and staff to do that.

Grant is a shyster. The main thing is that Chelsea FC are doing well, we have two lynch pins with a Toad croaking in the middle, a void, which could be filled with someone who knows what they're doing. But it's Romans money and he can squander it on a fraud if he wants.

[misschief 24]

Anyone can buy a McDonalds franchise for £200 000+ and make a profit, yet know fuck all about manageing it. You have managers and staff to do that.

Grant is a shyster. The main thing is that Chelsea FC are doing well, we have two lynch pins with a Toad croaking in the middle, a void, which could be filled with someone who knows what they're doing. But it's Romans money and he can squander it on a fraud if he wants.

Rapturous applause. Well said that man.

[ironhorse 0]

Hi

Well here we go i have been reading all thats been said , and i could say plenty about what i think about grant !!! sorry what i dont think about him .

but i am not going to as it not bring jose back or help the team , there was a time but its past now

So reading the threads is which some are the best , is still keep me slient

As for some unkown reason we are a real force again , players playing for each other and we are team who can win things

SO i will say he , grant has done well

There i said it

[warnie_666 1,081]

JT also confirmed a few weeks back that Grant has done little to change anything training wise until next season because he didn't want to disrupt anything. Just shows you there was little wrong with what Mourinho was doing because otherwise Grant would have needed to start meddling but the fact he can let the players carry on as they were tells me all I need to know.

People want to know why Avram's done so well and has exactly the same record as Mourinho? Well you have your answer because we are still doing everything a la Mourinho that's why and Grant's rather hapless and groan inducing attempts to pretend otherwise during some press conferences can be seen to be just smoke and mirrors hiding a fundamental truth. The emphasis with Grant should be on "little" in terms of doing "little" to rock the boat of what was and is a winning machine more often than not.

And he is the very lucky recepient of a bedrock of success built up initially with Ranieri and then fully realised under Mourinho.

Why should I praise a guy to the heavens for doing nothing more than faithfully copying what his predecessor does because he knows it gets results? It may be a smart thing to do but how brave or brilliant is that? It just shows he's smart enough to know a good thing when he sees it - well join the club!

I'll praise him when he does something that is not based on what Mourinho did and he does it with his own team and he does it consistently.

Ok so you want the manager to take over a squad of players selected by his predecessor mid way through the season when the club is on a verge of collapse, playing 2 games a week and change the entire style of play, and setup a new training regime...? ...No one can do that, to be honest ....had he done that we would have been in a mess rite now,..the players need atleast a month of training to get accustomed to the new system. And the set of players that we have arent suited for the Free flowing football. To play a certain system on the pitch you need certain type of players and No wonder we got Di Santo. Look at the squad of Arsenal, Manutd, Barcelona, and compare their squad players to that of ours. We have the Robust , Physical squad built to play efficient football where as these teams have Nimble footed players, dribblers, like ronaldinho, messy, iniesta, deco, Giggs, Ronaldo, Nani, Tevez, Hleb, Flamini, Diaby, Adebayaor........I for one am Glad he dint try to mess with the system that was in place...cus it was not the rite time to change it. But if you come out of your blinkered version of Jose, you will see that we are attacking more and winning more games than we did during Jose's rule. The only Bad remark about our Game this season is that we are letting in more goals and less clean sheets which is understandable cus we are playing a more attacking game with the same 4-3-3 formation that jose played with. But his game was built on defense. This Chelsea's game is built on Attack.

Also, Care to take a look at Real Madrid. Their Coach Bernd Schuster has not changed anything from the Capello times. He is playing with the same formaton that Capello played with and almost the same squad of players. He hasnt messed up with Capello's style of play. And its paying devidends as they are 7 points clear of second placed team.

Thank You

Warnie...