Grant Equals Mourinho Record

[Cracker 0]

Sorry Cracker, But Jose proved his worth in his very first season with his tactics on field.

Secondly, Liverpool always have their tail up when they play us but they'll go on to lose against shitty sides like reading.

Thirdly, Playing with 4 defenders and a holding midfielder for 90 mins, and you say He wasnt playing for Draw? well then he wasnt playing for win either.

It would always have been a difficult game in any circumstances & your right they would of had their tails up anyhow against us...but still I think that the combination of their already frustration, Mancity's win over Utd(that surly gave them another boost seeing that no team is invincible..) & the fact that our squad was so dented, made them smell the blood & even go for it harder than usial...& put all that together with the fact that most of their best players were fit & on the pitch just means even extra trouble,

I still don't think that the team played for a draw(at least for sure not at the begging of the match)but after the minutes started to go by & Liverpool had some decent dangerous attempts on goal, & our self realization that we are inevitably the weaker side on the day started to sink in, indeed it probably set us back a bit & we started to play more defensively..

was it deliberate decision to play more defensively or just an instinctive reaction to the situation?..its really hard to tell..

but still even if Grant understood the difficult situation the team was in on the day & decided to play more defensively I don't think it was to play for a draw, but maybe just to play more defensively & wait & hope for situations in the game that Liverpool might lose possession or make some other defensive error & then go on the "fast-break" & hopefully score from it.

anyway lets agree on thing for sure, it was a bad game & the team didn't play well enough for sure.. & lets just hope that it was just one of those offshoots that happen inevitably to every team now & again, & that now as many of our players are on the way back to the team we'll start to see the real Chelsea back live & KICKING....

Edited February 14, 2008 by Cracker

[Fulham Broadway 17,362]

& I Just want to make one thing clear here,

the last thing that I want' is to turn this forum into some kind of political/religious/race discussion(argument) type of forum..

as I have proved in the past when I ignored this guy & others remarks & was ready to put everything that was said behind us & just move on..

& that also after an official compliant I sent to Admin's here, that totally understood & agreed that there have been some serious unacceptable problems here in the forum lately, & promised & insured me that they will do anything in their power to try an deal & stop them,

Anyway I have patients & I know that things can not always change over night,..

but saying that, I'm quite sure that sooner or later may Patience here will start running out,

and if that happens I'm not going to continue standing & eating this crap here almost on my own..{execpt with a few other members & staff-(no names) but I have no doubt that they no who they are..} here that have been very nice & helpful, & I'm going to make sure that many other people that are connected in someway to the this issue will know exactly what has & is going on here in the forum & I'm sure that they will have lots to say & write about here to..

I'm sure that that many of the Israeli Chelsea-fc fans club-http://Chelsea.co.il/ (that by the way exists many years before Grant or even Abramovich had anything to do with the club) would love to know what has been said here by some people about their country culture & religion & I'm sure they will have allot to write about it here to...

If this carries on I Will not hesitate to contact them & other Jewish, Israeli & other

anti-racist football fans & organizations to have a say & write here exactly what they think about what has & is continuing to go on here in this forum..

personally as I have wrote a few times here in the past, I have no interest what so ever to turn this forum into a political "boxing" arena, but if this guy and others similar to him don't stop trying to provoke problems & start to shut up..they will be very clearly the ones that inevitably are going to push this forum into it.

But still as I said already I have quite a bit of patients left & I'm going to wait on as long as possible, & hopefully these problems will be dealt in the appropriate way by whoever can & should deal with them, at last once & for all.

http://Chelsea.co.il/

This forum was fine until you started stirring all kinds of rubbish with your incoherent ramblings. -just why is everyone of your posts edited ???

It's quite obvious you know nothing about football, you've not made one post about it. -just some shit stirring rambling incoherent defence of Grant.

I've been supporting Chelsea since 1967 and I dont need twats like you telling me what I can and can't post. Elliott was quite right about that. You're not a Chelsea fan -admit it. As far as Israel is concerned it is a despicable state. Many Hacidic jews in London feel the same about Israel and Zionism. As I said Kick Racism Out of Football regularly cites Israeli teams as having the most racist fans in the World.

Anyway, this thread isn't about that so if you wish to discuss that in your rambling illiterate way, I've started a thread in the Football Talk Forum, just so you dont go whining and crying to Admin.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

As Fulham Broadway correctly points ouot, this is not a racist debate nor has it ever intentionally been so. It is a topic to discuss to differences between Jose Mourinho and Avram Grant since the latter met the same record set by the former.

[Elliott 7]

Cracker, we're trembling in our boots at the prospect of some Israelis coming on our forum! Oh no!

[Aesthetic Relic 301]

Call me what you want here, but anyone with a simple knowledge of football could name you at least half a dozen players from every team in the Premiership and probably quite a few out of the Championship.

Saying that you only know Berbatov as a Spurs player is.....well......suspect ?

Sorry.....back on topic.

Grunts a cunt

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Sorry.....back on topic.

Grunts a cunt

Amen brother

[warnie_666 1,081]

As Fulham Broadway correctly points ouot, this is not a racist debate nor has it ever intentionally been so. It is a topic to discuss to differences between Jose Mourinho and Avram Grant since the latter met the same record set by the former.

Cracker has a problem everytime FB says "the arabs think Israelis are Cunts". This makes him think tht according to FB Israelis are Cunts. And he gets offended.

Why dont you 2 add each other on an IM and discuss your problems there?

[Fulham Broadway 17,362]

Ha Ha Ha !! Not stirring or anything.

I'll leave that to you seeing as you know his 'problems' and understand his sensibilities.

[We Hate Scouse 10,332]

I think Cracker has some good points and I think your all taking sides and its getting a bit pathetic, ok he makes some stupid points but alot of his points are valid! Grant is doing well as manager and had proved himself to us so far. Ok he hasn't got the tactical skills of Mourinho, but he knows how to win like Mourinho. Also anyone that says Cate or Clark are managing the team where is your evidence! I think people that say this are being vain and arrogent. Grant is doing a good job and until he starts losing games and proves he is not worthy enough we can boo him or what so ever.

[misschief 24]

I think Cracker has some good points and I think your all taking sides and its getting a bit pathetic, ok he makes some stupid points but alot of his points are valid!

First, it'd help if the points were legible and second, its probably not the best forum etiquette to introduce yourself by trying to lay down the law on how and what members should post.

Grant is doing well as manager and had proved himself to us so far. Ok he hasn't got the tactical skills of Mourinho, but he knows how to win like Mourinho. Also anyone that says Cate or Clark are managing the team where is your evidence! I think people that say this are being vain and arrogent. Grant is doing a good job and until he starts losing games and proves he is not worthy enough we can boo him or what so ever.

How has he proved himself? The team have got results but like its been said time and time again a tailors dummy could get the same results. He knows how to win like Mourinho? You deluded enough to think the titles coming our way then? Because thats 'winning like Mourinho'. Evidence for Ten Cate and Clarke managing, hmmm let me see.......how about the fact Grant has proved time and again in his interviews he's too clueless? He can barely speak coherently never mind dish out tactical advice. So we can't boo displays like that one against Liverpool? And what was your beloved Grant doing during that game? Oh thats right, displaying his 'management skills' - wandering up and down scratching his head. Might as well be scratching his arse for all the use scratching his head does - there's as much shit in it.

[Cracker 0]

Cracker has a problem everytime FB says "the arabs think Israelis are Cunts". This makes him think tht according to FB Israelis are Cunts. And he gets offended.

Why dont you 2 add each other on an IM and discuss your problems there?

Its not what I think!.., its as clear as it gets fact..

his views about Israel have been made clear numerous times, just like in his last saying that-

- " As far as Israel is concerned it is a despicable state."

So all those as-if attempts of his to try & hide & cover it with a seemingly nicer deceiving type of wrapping..,like its them..the-"Arabs" that are saying such extreme things & not him "of course".. ..are really ridiculous & so easily seen through to..

that he really can't deceive anyone on who is really standing behind those supposedly "quotations" from the "Arabs" words,..

and as I already wrote before, he can carry on speaking on his own behalf, & not on the behalf of all Arabs because there are Arabs that think & try to take action very opposite of his own views to, like these here for example-http://www.arabsforisrael.com/

& about taking the matter & discussing it with him in more detail somewhere else..

really NO THANKS ill have to pass this time on the immense Pleasure opportunity sorry..but thanks anyway mate..Cheers..

[Elliott 7]

- " As far as Israel is concerned it is a despicable state."

It IS a despicable state, just from the way it was founded.

[Cracker 0]

mmmm.. I guess you mean this right???

a -"United-nations" resolution "despicable"...yeah interesting & very logical remark.. no doubt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_UN_Partition_Plan

Edited February 14, 2008 by Cracker

[Cracker 0]

or maybe what happened here.. straight after the British Mandate ended??

& the Arabs attacks that came immediately from every corner possible just to finish the Jews off..

"Expiration of the Mandate and 1948 WarThe British mandate over Palestine was due to expire on 15 May 1948, but Jewish Leadership led by future Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion, declared independence on 14 May. The State of Israel declared itself as an independent nation, and was quickly recognized by the Soviet Union, the United States, and many other countries, but not by the surrounding Arab states. Over the next few days, approximately 1,000 Lebanese, 5,000 Syrian, 5,000 Iraqi, 10,000 Egyptian troops invaded Israel. Four thousand Transjordanian troops, commanded by 38 British officers who had resigned their commissions in the British army only weeks earlier (commanded by General Glubb), invaded the Corpus separatum region encompassing Jerusalem and its environs, as well as areas designated as part of the Arab state by the UN partition plan. They were aided by corps of volunteers from Saudi Arabia, Libya and Yemen."from Wikipedia.

Edited February 14, 2008 by Cracker

[Aesthetic Relic 301]

OH FOR FUCK SAKE

I dont give a flying fuck about Israel. Who hates who more or who has killed more or whos got the biggest cock.

Jesus.....Change the fucking record

[We Hate Scouse 10,332]

How has he proved himself? The team have got results but like its been said time and time again a tailors dummy could get the same results. He knows how to win like Mourinho? You deluded enough to think the titles coming our way then? Because thats 'winning like Mourinho'. Evidence for Ten Cate and Clarke managing, hmmm let me see.......how about the fact Grant has proved time and again in his interviews he's too clueless? He can barely speak coherently never mind dish out tactical advice. So we can't boo displays like that one against Liverpool? And what was your beloved Grant doing during that game? Oh thats right, displaying his 'management skills' - wandering up and down scratching his head. Might as well be scratching his arse for all the use scratching his head does - there's as much shit in it.

So you base his performence on his interviews? You call me the deluded one! He hasn't been in charge long enough to win a league and it will be harder, when Mourinho came in he got all the players he wanted and was able to win the league, but Grant came in after the summer so had to play with the team he was given. When Mourinho was put in that situation he spat his dummy out and the teams performence dropped and in that January we probley lost the league. Grant has proved himself by beating Mourinho's record and I think there will be alot more of him to come. Also you dont no what Grant talks about in his tactical talks and I dont have a clue how you can bring them into it unless your a Chelsea player and have heard his talks! You have your head too far up Mourinho's arse, you need to forget about him and move on!

[Elliott 7]

mmmm.. I guess you mean this right???

a -"United-nations" resolution "despicable"...yeah interesting & very logical remark.. no doubt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_UN_Partition_Plan

Haha you're a fucking mug. The UN did it thus it must be just? Fuck off you silly person. They dropped the Jews into the middle of Arab country, we felt ourselves high and mighty so we let it happen. That's pretty despicable. The Jews suffered greatly, so some Arabs had to suffer too, despite the fact that the Jews most recent suffering had fuck all to do with them! Should have partitioned off parts of Germany if we wanted to be fair.

Arabs that came from every corner to finish the Jews off? OF COURSE THEY FUCKING DID! The Jews waltzed into the Arab lands, and so the Arabs tried to get them off it again. Anything wrong with that? Shouldn't fucking think so.

[Cracker 0]

Very funny that all this Moral lecturing & such deep concern for the Arab community & rights in Palestine pre-1947, Is actually coming from a British subject like you..,

Have you forgotten the conquest & colonization of America & Australia & the wiping out of huge ancient civilizations off the map like the native Americans & the Aborigines in Australia?, and they have never recovered their land & culture back since then..

Why don't you despise the Australian or American occupiers that the British themselves created? you doubled faced hypocrite..

almost the whole of the western World is sitting on land that they stole from other weaker & demeaned cultures at the time, & with much lesser(actually with non at all) religious, historical or cultural rights & connections whatsoever like Jews had for thousands of years with the land of Israel..

& besides that I don't think that the British people ever suffered in history even one percent of what the Jews suffered only the last century..but still you went and concerned half of the world & destroyed endless cultures that will never be able to recover..

Go & campaign first for the liberation of countries like Australia & America & to pay compensation to countries like South Africa & Zimbabwe-(& the list is still very long...)

for all the atrocities & injustices that the British have done during the last few hundreds of years, & maybe then you will have some right to come & lecture other much smaller cultures & nations that have been fighting for their actual survival for the last who knows time..

& p.s

If you really want to go back even further in history.. go & check what the English did to the Jews of their country in-1290, that were thrown out like dogs without their property & most of their belongings for hundreds of years until they were allowed to return to the country,

& then go & have the nerve to start lecturing anyone else & their treatment (that isn't even closely as bad as that) of other nations..

from Wikipedia.. "Between the expulsion of the Jews in 1290 and their formal return in 1655 there is no official trace of Jews as such on English soil except in connection with the Domus Conversorum, which kept a number of them within its precincts up to 1551 and even later.

and this- "They were allowed to carry their portable property; but their houses escheated to the king, except in the case of a few favoured persons who were allowed to sell theirs before they left. Between 4,000 and 16,000 Jews were expelled."

Edited February 15, 2008 by Cracker

[misschief 24]

So you base his performence on his interviews? You call me the deluded one! He hasn't been in charge long enough to win a league and it will be harder, when Mourinho came in he got all the players he wanted and was able to win the league, but Grant came in after the summer so had to play with the team he was given. When Mourinho was put in that situation he spat his dummy out and the teams performence dropped and in that January we probley lost the league. Grant has proved himself by beating Mourinho's record and I think there will be alot more of him to come. Also you dont no what Grant talks about in his tactical talks and I dont have a clue how you can bring them into it unless your a Chelsea player and have heard his talks! You have your head too far up Mourinho's arse, you need to forget about him and move on!

No, I base his performances on the fact he was never up to it from the start and walking up and down the line scratching his head hasnt convinced me otherwise and doesnt show me he's actually doing anything that remotely resembles managing. That and his clueless substitutions - usually just desperate attempts to do something, anything - which are generally completely irrelevant. Grant had to play with the team he was given? Boo bloody hoo, name me any top manager who wouldnt be happy with the squad Grant's got. And you've already pointed out Jose came in the summer and chose his own players, so when exactly was he put in 'that situation'? The January youre talking about was a different scenario entirely, we were bloody desperate for some cover for injuries, we didnt get cover and thats what cost us - Jose had every right to be pissed. Fuck me, Roman couldnt get his wallet open quick enough this January to give his mate transfer funds, so the 'poor little Grant has to put up with Jose's players' routine dont wash with me. You really think this nobody's gonna surpass the records Jose set during his time at Chelsea? Behave ffs. And my head aint anywhere near Mourinho's arse, I recognise his faults. He wasnt perfect, but he was special. My continued apathy towards Grant has got sod all to do with Jose not being at the club anymore. Yes, I rated him as a manager and adored him, but he's part of our history now, old news. As for Grant, the sooner he's history as well, the better as far as Im concerned.

[Aesthetic Relic 301]

STOP FUCKING TALKING ABOUT ISRAEL PLEEEEASE.

TAKE IT TO THE SO BAR FOR FUCK SAKE

ITS DOING MY FUCKING HEAD IN