Carlo's job safe?

[Rambo 1,729]

Mourinho is not coming back why is this even being discussed.

[Guest justin_3d]

This Biesla fella you keep talking of. What has he won exactly? What league experience does he have? Can he even speak English?

Nope, but he is just like Guus.

I don't think he can speak English but he can learn like Carlo.

I think you need to see Chile in the South America WC qualifier. His team was awesome. Chile was from last place to one of the best because of this man.

Before you mention Scolari, him and his Brazil was a shame in the South American WC. He won that WC because there was a lot of faults from ref. that helped that team.

If you did not saw the great tactician he is, i suggest you watch Spain vs Chile in the last World Cup. Chile was the only team, and i mean the only team to go head to head with Spain in football attacking. He did this with a limited team, as Guus did with Korea and Australia.

[Term-X 7,891]

Why it's illogical??

Because you said both managers are as good as what they have. That is completely false and insanely ignorant towards Jose'. Considering what he accomplished at Porto. I don't know why your talking about youth all of a sudden, because that statement is far too broad.

[Guest justin_3d]

Because you said both managers are as good as what they have. That is completely false and insanely ignorant towards Jose'. Considering what he accomplished at Porto. I don't know why your talking about youth all of a sudden, because that statement is far too broad.

Yes at Porto, and that's that. Nothing at Chelsea, Inter or Real Madrid.

Has not shown much for youth other then spend.

And neither has Carlo.

[Term-X 7,891]

Yes at Porto, and that's that. Nothing at Chelsea, Inter or Real Madrid.

Has not shown much for youth other then spend.

Technically, Jose' is a better coach than Carlo. Mourinho earned the right to manage economically rich clubs.

[Guest justin_3d]

Technically, Jose' is a better coach than Carlo. Mourinho earned the right to manage economically rich clubs.

And the same can be said about Guus and Marcelo Bielsa......

Until i see Mourinho and Carlo work more with youth like Wenger i will not change my mind, and will continue to hold Guus and Bielsa very high.

[zolayes 14,489]

Mourinho is not coming back why is this even being discussed.

of course you are right ...Roman would have to admit he made a mistake and I just can't see that happening ..For the same reason no return for

Ranieri or Wilkins , Pity cos Carlo needs a good assistant .. A second point why Jose won't be back , if he was asked he would demand complete

control as he is in a strong bargaining position and Roman wouldnt agree to those conditions . Best we can hope for that Roman stops listening

to his advisors and leaves football matters to the coach.

[Guest justin_3d]

of course you are right ...Roman would have to admit he made a mistake and I just can't see that happening ..For the same reason no return for

Ranieri or Wilkins , Pity cos Carlo needs a good assistant .. A second point why Jose won't be back , if he was asked he would demand complete

control as he is in a strong bargaining position and Roman wouldnt agree to those conditions . Best we can hope for that Roman stops listening

to his advisors and leaves football matters to the coach.

It is why he rather go to United, cause he can control everything there like SAF....

[Term-X 7,891]

And the same can be said about Guus and Marcelo Bielsa......

Until i see Mourinho and Carlo work more with youth like Wenger i will not change my mind, and will continue to hold Guus and Bielsa very high.

Wenger is extremely overrated.

3 Premier league titles in 15 years.

It is why he rather go to United, cause he can control everything there like SAF....

That privilege is exclusive to Ferguson, once he leaves it will all change.

[Guest justin_3d]

Wenger is extremely overrated.

3 Premier league titles in 15 years.

But he continuously work with youth and produces stars. Not to mention that he maintain the club at top lvls with such little spending. Something hard to do.

While people like Carlo and Mourinho only complaint to get more money to buy more players.....Can't fill the shoes of coaches like Wenger, Guus, and Bielsa that work with what they have without so much complaining.

[RX8 40]

Mourinho is not coming back why is this even being discussed.

As we said in my country: "Only the Rivers do not Return"

I can´t see how can you be so sure about it... ??

[Guest justin_3d]

More Bielsa madness.

is highly respected in his homeland thanks to his work in developing young

He took charge in Chile three years later, just in time to rescue them from a poor start to the qualifiers. Bielsa again demonstrated his acumen in nurturing youngsters by dispensing with older players and putting his trust in many of the youngsters who propelled Chile to third place in the 2007 Under-20 World Cup, including the exciting midfielders Alexis Sánchez and Gary Medel.

http://www.guardian....chile-argentina

And this great article about him:

Bielsa's early exit such a waste for Chile

Post categories: Football

Tim Vickery | 10:00 UK time, Monday, 8 November 2010

A successful and promising relationship has come to a premature end with the news that Marcelo Bielsa will not continue as coach of Chile.

There is little point in appointing a foreign coach unless he brings something fresh - which the eccentric, but highly respected Argentine certainly has in the course of his three years in charge.

He took Chile to their first World Cup since 1998, winning more away games than anyone else in the qualification campaign. In South Africa in 2010, Chile quickly became the neutral's favourite. In a tournament dominated by caution, Chile's carefree attacking approach was a joy to behold.

The performances of the team said more about Marcelo Bielsa than they did about Chilean football.

He coaxed from his players a faithful representation of the approach that has made him one of the most interesting coaches around over the last 20 years.

His idea is always to attack, no matter where the game is played and who the opponents might be. He wants the play to take place in the opponent's half of the field. Whatever the shape of the side - 3-3-1-3 is his favoured formation - there are a number of constants; his team will always seek to play at a high tempo, with a central striker and two wingers and the aim of creating two-against-one situations down the flanks.

Before working with Chile, Bielsa was in charge of his native Argentina from 1998 to 2004. In a very significant way, Chile was easier for him. Argentina has a highly developed sense of its own footballing identity, to which the number 10 is crucial. Juan Roman Riquelme, with his elegant, foot-on-the-ball playmaking, is the guardian of the flame. Bielsa, though, had no place for him. Rather than the changes in rhythm that Riquelme inspires, the coach was looking for all out dynamism - which left him open to criticisms that he was trying to Europeanise the national team.

During his reign it was common for club coaches in Argentina to differentiate themselves from Bielsa by stressing their commitment to 'the pause' - the moment when the old-style number 10 slows the game down in order to rethink the attack. In Argentina, then, Bielsa often found himself swimming against a powerful current.

He had no such problem in Chile. "There's been no continuity," I was told a few years ago by Elias Figueroa, one of Chile's all-time greats. "We've tried to imitate Argentina. We've tried to imitate Brazil. We've tried to imitate Germany and Spain." From Bielsa's point of view, this lack of fixed identity was a plus point. It meant that his approach would meet with less cultural resistance.

Late 2007 was also a good time to take over. Humiliated on the field in that year's Copa America and with disciplinary problems off it, Chile appeared to have hit rock bottom. The only way was up - and giving momentum to the rise was the fact that an excellent generation of youngsters had just reached the semi-finals of the World Youth Cup.

They were to prove Bielsa's raw material. His bold game-plan requires a high level of fitness. He inherited an exciting group of players with young legs and open minds, and made a team of them. Versatile defenders or midfielders Arturo Vidal, Gary Medel and Mauricio Isla, central midfielder Carlos Carmona and, above all, wonderful little right winger Alexis Sanchez were all graduates from the World Youth Cup campaign who became stalwarts of the senior side.

Bielsa's option to stand down is frustrating for two reasons. Firstly, because he and his young side could have gone on to achieve much more. And secondly, because their time together could have been even better.

Three goals in four World Cup games was a disappointing return for a side of such attacking ambition. They would surely have scored more had centre forward Humberto Suazo been fully fit. Top scorer in the South American World Cup qualifiers, he was recovering from an injury when he was unwisely risked in a warm-up match. Injured once more, he was nowhere near 100% in South Africa.

In retrospect, Mauricio Pinilla should have been in the squad. Once briefly in Scotland with Hearts, Pinilla has been once briefly with a lot of clubs in a number of different countries. The striker came close to throwing away his own career with his wild-child antics. But he has always been a highly gifted player, potentially of genuine world class - as he has hinted in Italian football over the last 18 months. Especially in the absence of a fit Suazo, Pinilla would have been a useful option in South Africa.

He has been recalled for next week's game at home to Uruguay, seemingly Bielsa's swansong in charge of Chile. The idea of Alexis Sanchez and Pinilla operating together is an appealing one for Chile fans - but after next week it will not be Bielsa's job to get their talents to combine. He is leaving because Harold Mayne-Nicholls was not re-elected last week as president of Chile's FA. Before the election Bielsa made it very clear that he would not work with the opposition candidate Jorge Segovia.

Mayne-Nicholls, though, only carried the votes of six of Chile's First Division clubs. Segovia won the other 12, including the Santiago big three of Colo Colo, Universidad de Chile and Universidad Catolica. The election was, and continues to be controversial, with conspiracy theories flying around and claims that Segovia might be prevented from taking office on complicated legal grounds.

Mayne-Nicholls, though, has made it clear that he will not be coming back. One of the major complaints about him was the grumble that he prioritized the national team and his Fifa work over the domestic championship. He recently served as the chairman of the Fifa inspection committee which visited the countries bidding to stage the World Cups of 2018 and 2022.

Polished and articulate, he cut an impressive figure. But he has been cast out by an internal revolt at the very moment when his international prestige was at its highest. As a result, the national team is parting company with one of the world's most respected and interesting coaches. Chile's new regime will have to come up with something special to make up for the loss of Marcelo Bielsa.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2010/11/bielsa.html

[Kostas 1,468]

Lets see what happens with Ancelotti before discussing possible replacements.

[Guest justin_3d]

Lets see what happens with Ancelotti before discussing possible replacements.

Well if we win the CL, which i am very bullish on it, i still don't think it's enough for Carlo.

It's not Roman, cause Roman might be happy if we win the CL, as mot fans here who talk bad about Carlo.

But it's Carlo who would like to go back to Roma.

[Kostas 1,468]

But it's Carlo who would like to go back to Roma.

As I said the Roma situation won't affect him in the slightest. He had no problem managing rival teams while in Italy and he won't breach his contract for something like that.

[Rambo 1,729]

But he continuously work with youth and produces stars. Not to mention that he maintain the club at top lvls with such little spending. Something hard to do.

Chelsea is not about maintaining at the top level, without any silverware any season would be considered a failure, that's why we go out spending millions on players to get instant results. Implementing youth takes time and it'll be difficult to do so at a club like Chelsea with so many internationals (big egos).

[GodZola 630]

I do like the sound of this Bielsa fella Justin especially his 3-3-1-3 formation, we are crying out for that against these teams that like to defend for 90 minutes, also the fact he likes to give youth a chance - something I believe Ancelotti has made a big mistake by not taking advantage of that, it could of been a win win situation for him.

However I think his appointment would be remote as I'm not sure Roman would go for another South American Manager after Scolari's tenure at the club.

If Carlo is sacked then we need someone with bollocks that will tell Roman to keep his ore out, Jose & Guardiola would demand this before they accepted the role, either would be a superb appointment & they also know talent so wouldn't be afraid to give the likes of MacEachran, Kakuta, Sturridge etc opportunity's.

[RX8 40]

Lets see what happens with Ancelotti before discussing possible replacements.

Do you need more time to thing about Anchelotti´s future...

I do not...

The only miracle that can save Anchelotti´s ass is Winning the Champion League... And I do not Belive it will happend... because if this Happend I will Travel from Costa Rica to England and Apologies myself to Carlo and the Team...

[Guest justin_3d]

Do you need more time to thing about Anchelotti´s future...

I do not...

The only miracle that can save Anchelotti´s ass is Winning the Champion League... And I do not Belive it will happend... because if this Happend I will Travel from Costa Rica to England and Apologies myself to Carlo and the Team...

Then you will have to do it!

I am confident he can win this competition.

Just my problem as I said is he lack of youth....but some people don't care about that these days, and only winning trophies at the cost of youth....

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I do like the sound of this Bielsa fella Justin especially his 3-3-1-3 formation, we are crying out for that against these teams that like to defend for 90 minutes, also the fact he likes to give youth a chance - something I believe Ancelotti has made a big mistake by not taking advantage of that, it could of been a win win situation for him.

However I think his appointment would be remote as I'm not sure Roman would go for another South American Manager after Scolari's tenure at the club.

If Carlo is sacked then we need someone with bollocks that will tell Roman to keep his ore out, Jose & Guardiola would demand this before they accepted the role, either would be a superb appointment & they also know talent so wouldn't be afraid to give the likes of MacEachran, Kakuta, Sturridge etc opportunity's.

Yeah that is the problem i see with that as well. But Scolari only got that role because of Brazil...and Brazil is nothing special.

What Guus does, and what Bielsa did are special. Really hard to do with small team.

[Term-X 7,891]

But it's Carlo who would like to go back to Roma.

Only Roman is going to keep him in armani suits.

He'd also be a fool to just leave Chelsea, without a big fat compensation package. I also doubt Carlo truly wants to manage a club like Roma, he will no longer be managing a top european club.