Edinson Cavani

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

I don’t know why you said what you said in the 2nd paragraph there because I never said anything about being against bringing in quality players. All I said was, if we sign Cavani, I don’t think he’ll be first choice. It’s a different case altogether if we sign someone younger and someone like Werner.

I dont think it matters what player or age it is though.

If its Cavani, Werner, Isco, Ziyech, player X aged 24 or player Y aged 31, whoever it is, Frank wants to sign the right players. Those will undoubtedly be improvements on what we have in some positions or he wont bother. Regardless of their ages or who is their competition, youth players or not.

You need to have some top quality in about the youngsters if your going to compete. The balance has to be right. Or we will end up like Arsenal under Wenger, with the likes of Walcott's, Nasris, etc who "might be able to compete for titles in 5 years time"....

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

A 27-year-old Cavani? 100%.

A soon to be 33-year-old Cavani? Doubtful.

Remember Eto’o? His game time was rotated with Torres/Ba under Mourinho in 2013/14. Was mostly used in the home games, but less so in away games (IIRC).

Cavani and Eto'o's situations were totally different though Jason? I mean if you cant see that then I dont know. 

Eto'o was playing in Russia, on huge wages, past it where as Cavani is still playing for a top top team in PSG and if he would commit to a new deal he would probably be involved a lot more. There is a reason why Atletico are pushing hard to get him.

He has struggled with injuries, Icardi's arrival/forn and his contract situation this season has forced Tuchels hand. Was the same with Rabiot last season with the contract situarion. Even then, Cavani has got 5 goals in 12 games and last season scored 23 in 33 games at a much more competitive level than Eto'o played at before we got him. He is hardly past it. If he was playing in Russia then yeah I could see your point but hes playing for one of the top clubs in Europe. I still think he would do the business for many clubs not just us. Id still fancy him as a better option than Tammy. He has got a ruthlessness to his game and even when he misses he always manages to get into those positions to score goals every game regardless. 

Didnt see this post until last one posted...

[NikkiCFC 8,284]

6 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Even then, Cavani has got 5 goals in 12 games 

5 goals in around 450 minutes this season which is equal to 5 games. He's still a prolific goal scorer not far away from Luis Suarez level. 

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Just now, NikkiCFC said:

5 goals in around 450 minutes this season which is equal to 5 games. He's still a prolific goal scorer not far away from Luis Suarez level. 

Dont think he will ever be/was on Suarez's level as Suarez is a much more technically gifted and has that sheer unpredictability where he can turn a game.

Do think Cavani's in much better physical shape than Suarez these days and if he keeps himself in this condition (except the muscle injuries hes encountered this season) will play at a higher level then Suarez will do over the next few years to they both retire. Think Suarez days at Barca are numbered despite him very much being their number 1 CF, I think the MLS or South America will be his next move, but that depends on Barca if they replace him or want to keep him as a second option.

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6 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Dont think he will ever be/was on Suarez's level as Suarez is a much more technically gifted and has that sheer unpredictability where he can turn a game.

Do think Cavani's in much better physical shape than Suarez these days and if he keeps himself in this condition (except the muscle injuries hes encountered this season) will play at a higher level then Suarez will do over the next few years to they both retire. Think Suarez days at Barca are numbered despite him very much being their number 1 CF, I think the MLS or South America will be his next move, but that depends on Barca if they replace him or want to keep him as a second option.

Feeling I got watching two of them at the World Cup in Russia is that Cavani was more important player for Uruguay and he definitely had better tournament. 

Not trying to take away anything from Suarez I think at the moment he's still maybe best number 9. I mean just look at the stats. And even now at soon 33 I think they are both still better than Kane for example. 

Cavani didn't play a lot this season but based on stats when he did he's still on that level he's playing for around ten years now. I'm not seeing him or Suarez slowing down... 

[Vesper 30,088]

55 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Not trying to take away anything from Suarez I think at the moment he's still maybe best number 9. I mean just look at the stats.

Luis Suárez

Robert Lewandowski

 

Lewandowski is also in a harder league overall and he has a less gifted team (with massive injury issues as well) backing him than Suárez does

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1 hour ago, Vesper said:

Luis Suárez

Robert Lewandowski

 

Lewandowski is also in a harder league overall and he has a less gifted team (with massive injury issues as well) backing him than Suárez does

I said maybe best but definitely one of the best still just like Lewa. 32 goals (g+a) against 24 with 500 minutes less is similar stats anyway. And I do like Lewa unlike Suarez who is very irritating guy. 

I disagree only about leagues quality. I would rather watch Bundesliga match tbh it's more entertaining but in terms of quality LaLiga is much better. Few teams aside Bundesliga is very low quality. Just compere Michy's stats in Dortmund and Valencia. 

[Strike 7,474]

Echoes of Eto'o Higuain Falcao Giroud. No Thank you

[Jase 43,479]

4 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

I dont think it matters what player or age it is though.

If its Cavani, Werner, Isco, Ziyech, player X aged 24 or player Y aged 31, whoever it is, Frank wants to sign the right players. Those will undoubtedly be improvements on what we have in some positions or he wont bother. Regardless of their ages or who is their competition, youth players or not.

You need to have some top quality in about the youngsters if your going to compete. The balance has to be right. Or we will end up like Arsenal under Wenger, with the likes of Walcott's, Nasris, etc who "might be able to compete for titles in 5 years time"....

Again, I have never said I'm against signing players...

4 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Cavani and Eto'o's situations were totally different though Jason? I mean if you cant see that then I dont know. 

Eto'o was playing in Russia, on huge wages, past it where as Cavani is still playing for a top top team in PSG and if he would commit to a new deal he would probably be involved a lot more. There is a reason why Atletico are pushing hard to get him.

He has struggled with injuries, Icardi's arrival/forn and his contract situation this season has forced Tuchels hand. Was the same with Rabiot last season with the contract situarion. Even then, Cavani has got 5 goals in 12 games and last season scored 23 in 33 games at a much more competitive level than Eto'o played at before we got him. He is hardly past it. If he was playing in Russia then yeah I could see your point but hes playing for one of the top clubs in Europe. I still think he would do the business for many clubs not just us. Id still fancy him as a better option than Tammy. He has got a ruthlessness to his game and even when he misses he always manages to get into those positions to score goals every game regardless. 

But Eto'o was around the same age when he joined us as Cavani is right now. Cavani may be playing for a top team in PSG but he is playing in a relatively weak league, where PSG face next to no competition domestically. 

If Eto'o is considered past it back then, then a similar argument could be made of Cavani because his injury list since the start of 2018/19 season has not been great - https://www.transfermarkt.com/edinson-cavani/verletzungen/spieler/48280 (didn't realize it was that bad). Has suffered quite a few muscle injuries and if you think he can rediscover his best form at 33 in the Premier League, then please let us know where you get your optimism from.

I wouldn't read too much into Atletico's interest on Cavani, because they are just desperate for a striker. Costa has been a flop since returning, Morata is unreliable despite scoring a few lately and Felix is struggling to make his mark. 

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17 minutes ago, Strike said:

Echoes of Eto'o Higuain Falcao Giroud. No Thank you

All of those apart from Falcao contributed to a respectable level for us, especially the former and latter.

[Tomo 21,751]

13 minutes ago, Jason said:

Again, I have never said I'm against signing players...

But Eto'o was around the same age when he joined us as Cavani is right now. Cavani may be playing for a top team in PSG but he is playing in a relatively weak league, where PSG face next to no competition domestically. 

If Eto'o is considered past it back then, then a similar argument could be made of Cavani because his injury list since the start of 2018/19 season has not been great - https://www.transfermarkt.com/edinson-cavani/verletzungen/spieler/48280 (didn't realize it was that bad). Has suffered quite a few muscle injuries and if you think he can rediscover his best form at 33 in the Premier League, then please let us know where you get your optimism from.

I wouldn't read too much into Atletico's interest on Cavani, because they are just desperate for a striker. Costa has been a flop since returning, Morata is unreliable despite scoring a few lately and Felix is struggling to make his mark. 

Simeone's record with forward/flair players is genuinely horrendous, so many have bombed hard under him. 

Don't know whether it's because he's weak at coaching attack or his eye for attacking/flair players is crap (or both) but his list of attacking signings and how they've done is criminal.

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5 minutes ago, Tomo said:

All of those apart from Falcao contributed to a respectable level for us, especially the former and latter.

Okay at best I would say, Eto'o was terrible in many away games. I would still prefer a mobile striker who can press for the way we play and have strikers who are in their prime rather than 32+

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2 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Simeone's record with forward/flair players is genuinely horrendous, so many have bombed hard under him. 

Don't know whether it's because he's weak at coaching attack or his eye for attacking/flair players is crap (or both) but his list of attacking signings and how they've done is criminal.

In terms of strikers, think only Falcao, Costa (first time), Villa and Griezmann have done well under him.

Don't think he's great at coaching attack, TBH. He's tried to change Atletico's style this season and while they are still hard to beat, the results have been mixed and no impact has been made. They've scored only 22 goals in 19 league games this season.

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

Again, I have never said I'm against signing players...

But Eto'o was around the same age when he joined us as Cavani is right now. Cavani may be playing for a top team in PSG but he is playing in a relatively weak league, where PSG face next to no competition domestically. 

If Eto'o is considered past it back then, then a similar argument could be made of Cavani because his injury list since the start of 2018/19 season has not been great - https://www.transfermarkt.com/edinson-cavani/verletzungen/spieler/48280 (didn't realize it was that bad). Has suffered quite a few muscle injuries and if you think he can rediscover his best form at 33 in the Premier League, then please let us know where you get your optimism from.

I wouldn't read too much into Atletico's interest on Cavani, because they are just desperate for a striker. Costa has been a flop since returning, Morata is unreliable despite scoring a few lately and Felix is struggling to make his mark. 

Yes they are at the same age but it is clear Cavani is still at a much much better level compared to what Eto'o was aged 32/33 although what Eto'o did wasnt exactly poor either. Regardless of how good or bad the French league is (its hardly that bad), the standard is still good, much much better than the Russian league which Eto'o was playing in prior to coming to us.

Hes hardly needing to rediscover his best form, its not as if he hasnt been scoring goals when he is playing. Other than this season which injuries and contract issues have halted his playing time, he has scored over 20 goals in the last 8 or 9 seasons. Injuries aside his form and ability has nothing to do with anything, he is still a very capable goalscorer and even at his age, he still has more than enough to offer which is why us, United, Juventus and Atletico are all heavily linked. 

Maybe he wont come here but I dont think for one minute if he was to be made available at a decent price this month/free end of the season that we would instantly say no because we have Tammy playing for us every week or because he is 32 or 33...

Plus if the French league, as you said, is a weak league then I suppose us going after/being linked with the likes of Moussa Dembele, Houssem Aouar, Boubakary Soumare or Youcef Atal, they should be instantly dismissed based on your judgement of the competition they play in? Its a bit of an arrogant comment to make, its not as if the league is made up of non league teams. I suppose the Italian and German leagues the same too then? 

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3 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Hes hardly needing to rediscover his best form, its not as if he hasnt been scoring goals when he is playing. Other than this season which injuries and contract issues have halted his playing time, he has scored over 20 goals in the last 8 or 9 seasons. Injuries aside his form and ability has nothing to do with anything, he is still a very capable goalscorer and even at his age, he still has more than enough to offer which is why us, United, Juventus and Atletico are all heavily linked. 

By rediscovering his form, I meant getting past his injuries. He has had a lot of muscle related injuries since last season. He will not survive the pace and intensity of the Premier League if that remains a problem.

Some of the links, I’m sure are just paper talk like him going to United and Juventus, and even us I’d wager.

He may still have enough to offer but for how long more? He has injury problems and turns 33 next month. Unless you know a fountain of youth somewhere, signing Cavani would just be a short term signing and he won’t be performing consistently.

3 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Maybe he wont come here but I dont think for one minute if he was to be made available at a decent price this month/free end of the season that we would instantly say no because we have Tammy playing for us every week or because he is 32 or 33...

The club has their strict policy on players over 30 years old, remember?

3 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Plus if the French league, as you said, is a weak league then I suppose us going after/being linked with the likes of Moussa Dembele, Houssem Aouar, Boubakary Soumare or Youcef Atal, they should be instantly dismissed based on your judgement of the competition they play in? Its a bit of an arrogant comment to make, its not as if the league is made up of non league teams. I suppose the Italian and German leagues the same too then? 

I’m not being dismissive of Ligue 1 but was merely providing context. Ligue 1 is decent but if you don’t think the standard of Serie A or Bundesliga is better than it, then I don’t know what to say.