Ramires

[Jase 43,479]

I think it's that our senior players have had success in a playing style and don't want to change their habits.

I've read an interview of Cech when he said to don't expect a changing style, only small adjustements for this season as they had plenty of success the last years with their playing style.

They are used to play in a certain fashion and don't want to change or adapt.

I think that for a real change it will only happen when the historical leaders of the dressing room will retire

What does practicing crossing and set pieces got anything to do with habits and/or change in style?! Those two are like the basic components of the game regardless of the playing style. There are no reasons whatsoever not to practice and improve them!

[FormerRussianSpy 163]

Yes, I can. If a player makes 100 crosses in a season, and 4 crosses are great and 96 are poor, does the fact that he made 4 great crosses show anything? It just shows that he's not good at crossing the ball. Every player playing for Chelsea has incredible ability. You don't get to the top of the Premiership without it. There isn't a single player that can't occasionally make a great cross or score a beautiful goal or pull off some skill move. It doesn't prove anything. The average footballer makes about 20 passes a game .Ramires made a pass every 2.5 minutes last season. That's a lot of passes. Some of them are going to be great.

Fair enough, I'm not going to completely discredit it, but I think both of our points are valid.

But to get on topic... here's to hoping Rami can improve that ratio, because he can be pure magic on the ball (think recently: the dinky little run and pass he made to assist Torres against City). Without a standout big man like Drogba up front anymore, I'd presume that it really won't change this season

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,742]

He is starting RW for Brazil....Perhaps we have given up on him playing the spot too quickly?

[Kinol 337]

I havent seen so much of the game but it looks like Ramires aint doing much noise of himself. How has he been?

[Hutcho 8,443]

I havent seen so much of the game but it looks like Ramires aint doing much noise of himself. How has he been?

He is doing ok, though in that brazil team is getting a bit overshadowed tbh... Watching two games at the same time so may have missed some stuff so i could be proven wrong but thats the impression i get... Oscar looking good though from the bits i have seen, drawing plenty of fouls...

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I havent seen so much of the game but it looks like Ramires aint doing much noise of himself. How has he been?

Was he playing today? I watched the first half and I swear I didn't notice him!

[Kinol 337]

Was he playing today? I watched the first half and I swear I didn't notice him!

Sadly thats the impression i got too...

[capriccioso 2,545]

Perhaps Sloth/Kojo was onto something earlier up thread. He doesn't really fit into our team, and I'm certain there will be a very fast decline by the time he's 30 and loses that speed and stamina which marks him out as a great player.

I think we should look at selling him at some point in the next 3 years. We'll get a great bit of cash, we'll remove a square peg and we'll enjoy his best years. Unless we're going to change our system to fit him in, back to a 4-3-3, I don't see a long term future for him. If we do change I think we should look to sell him 5 years down the line.

[HNKS 508]

Perhaps Sloth/Kojo was onto something earlier up thread. He doesn't really fit into our team, and I'm certain there will be a very fast decline by the time he's 30 and loses that speed and stamina which marks him out as a great player.

I think we should look at selling him at some point in the next 3 years. We'll get a great bit of cash, we'll remove a square peg and we'll enjoy his best years. Unless we're going to change our system to fit him in, back to a 4-3-3, I don't see a long term future for him. If we do change I think we should look to sell him 5 years down the line.

Lol wtf? All we need to do is play him instead of Lampard. As much as I love Lampard his time is coming to an end. Ramires is better defensively and can go on some superb runs. The guy is like 25 and you talking about him being useless in 5 years time? Kalou was useless his whole time at Chelsea, didnt stop you sucking his dick did it. Ramires has been one of our best players since he joined and your writing him off already.

[sleazyB 58]

Lol wtf? All we need to do is play him instead of Lampard. As much as I love Lampard his time is coming to an end. Ramires is better defensively and can go on some superb runs. The guy is like 25 and you talking about him being useless in 5 years time? Kalou was useless his whole time at Chelsea, didnt stop you sucking his dick did it. Ramires has been one of our best players since he joined and your writing him off already.

Though I love Ramires and think he is definitely one of our best players I'm going to have to agree on cap with this one. Hes great off the ball, but he just doesn't have the on the ball skills that are needed to play the way we are obviously achieving for. He isn't great at RW and he can't play in the pivot, I'd hate to say it but if a big money offer comes in we should accept. A skillful CM like Axel Witsel, or montinho would be more useful. I say this out of love for Ramires because I'd hate to see him play a bit part role for the team and only be a super sub.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Lol wtf? All we need to do is play him instead of Lampard. As much as I love Lampard his time is coming to an end. Ramires is better defensively and can go on some superb runs. The guy is like 25 and you talking about him being useless in 5 years time? Kalou was useless his whole time at Chelsea, didnt stop you sucking his dick did it. Ramires has been one of our best players since he joined and your writing him off already.

It's a terrible idea. Ramires' has a few great strengths. He's fast, he has great stamina, and he's very good at winning battles in the midfield. Very useful stuff, but he is not a creative midfielder in the least. Last season, he went 124 minutes in between chances created. Lampard went 43 minutes in between chance created. In other words, Lampard was basically creating 3 chances for every chance Ramires created. Ramires has a good passing percentage because the vast majority of his passes are short. He's not a great passer, so it's a sign of his football intelligence that he doesn't try too many long passes. Lampard, who plays a lot of long passes still had a better pass percentage last season. It's a sign of his skill and intelligence that he could open up play so succesfully. Ramires can open up play with his speed, but he's not a creative player at all. Ramires has 7 goals and 2 assists in 57 league games with Chelsea. Lampard has 21 goals and 9 assists in his last 54 leagues games with Chelsea. Ramires is a good player, but he's a complimentary player who relies on other players to get him the ball when he makes his runs. If Chelsea play Ramires as their deep-lying playmaker, they'd be screwed. (They won't as RDM knows this.) You simply cannot play a 4-2-3-1 with no creative players in the 2.

This criticism of Lampard has gone insane. He was one of Chelsea's best players last season. EA Sports PPI rated Lampard as the 22nd best player in the entire Premier League last season. He was maybe Chelsea's best player through most of the pre-season. He's the greatest player in Chelsea history. He is a great leader on the team. Yet, for some reason, people want to blame everything on him.Our defenders are out of position and the opposition scores? Lampard's fault for not providing cover. Our striker can't score? Lampard's fault for not laying perfect passes that would lead to tap ins. Luckily, RDM realizes his importance and Lampard will once again play a key roll for us.

[capriccioso 2,545]

Lol wtf? All we need to do is play him instead of Lampard. As much as I love Lampard his time is coming to an end. Ramires is better defensively and can go on some superb runs. The guy is like 25 and you talking about him being useless in 5 years time? Kalou was useless his whole time at Chelsea, didnt stop you sucking his dick did it. Ramires has been one of our best players since he joined and your writing him off already.

Lol yeah we'll stick him in centre midfield alongside perennial ball loser Raul Meireles, or alongside the safest passer in the league, John Michael Nchekwube Obinna. Loads of fun that will be. Mikel and Ramires can't pass long and Meireles loses the ball for fun, as does Ramires, albeit to a lesser extent.

And it'll also be a whole heap of fun when he has all the mobility of an oil tanker (and unfortunately none of the market value of an oil tanker) by the time he's in his 30s.

Criticising Kalou is irrelevant.

It's a terrible idea. Ramires' has a few great strengths. He's fast, he has great stamina, and he's very good at winning battles in the midfield. Very useful stuff, but he is not a creative midfielder in the least. Last season, he went 124 minutes in between chances created. Lampard went 43 minutes in between chance created. In other words, Lampard was basically creating 3 chances for every chance Ramires created. Ramires has a good passing percentage because the vast majority of his passes are short. He's not a great passer, so it's a sign of his football intelligence that he doesn't try too many long passes. Lampard, who plays a lot of long passes still had a better pass percentage last season. It's a sign of his skill and intelligence that he could open up play so succesfully. Ramires can open up play with his speed, but he's not a creative player at all. Ramires has 7 goals and 2 assists in 57 league games with Chelsea. Lampard has 21 goals and 9 assists in his last 54 leagues games with Chelsea. Ramires is a good player, but he's a complimentary player who relies on other players to get him the ball when he makes his runs. If Chelsea play Ramires as their deep-lying playmaker, they'd be screwed. (They won't as RDM knows this.) You simply cannot play a 4-2-3-1 with no creative players in the 2.

This criticism of Lampard has gone insane. He was one of Chelsea's best players last season. EA Sports PPI rated Lampard as the 22nd best player in the entire Premier League last season. He was maybe Chelsea's best player through most of the pre-season. He's the greatest player in Chelsea history. He is a great leader on the team. Yet, for some reason, people want to blame everything on him.Our defenders are out of position and the opposition scores? Lampard's fault for not providing cover. Our striker can't score? Lampard's fault for not laying perfect passes that would lead to tap ins. Luckily, RDM realizes his importance and Lampard will once again play a key roll for us.

Greatest Blue ever? I disagree. He'd have to score about 400 to match Osgood. Some of the older posters might back me up here. Osgood and his mates made the modern club.

I see it like this:

1. Osgood

2. Drogba

3. Lampard

[sleazyB 58]

Would playing him next too Lampard, in the pivot, work? He could play box to box like Sami Khedira does for Real. Maybe not against top competition but against the lower teams.

[Kojo 4,676]

Perhaps Sloth/Kojo was onto something earlier up thread. He doesn't really fit into our team, and I'm certain there will be a very fast decline by the time he's 30 and loses that speed and stamina which marks him out as a great player.

I think we should look at selling him at some point in the next 3 years. We'll get a great bit of cash, we'll remove a square peg and we'll enjoy his best years. Unless we're going to change our system to fit him in, back to a 4-3-3, I don't see a long term future for him. If we do change I think we should look to sell him 5 years down the line.

Exactly, but because he scored a beauty against Barcelona everyone said he's a major part of our first team.

Ramires can only fit into a 4-3-3 as our additional midfielder, box to box player. He can be used as a squad player however, but i think because of FFP it would be best to sell him maybe?, currently now you can get the most money for him, and i believe we could get over 20 million for him.

But actually i think it's best to give him another season here, because maybe he can fit into the system. Against Wigan i would like to see.

Ramires-Romeu, but since Romeu has been abducted, looks like this has to be my preferred midfield instead Ramires-Essien

[Chelsea? 892]

Though I love Ramires and think he is definitely one of our best players I'm going to have to agree on cap with this one. Hes great off the ball, but he just doesn't have the on the ball skills that are needed to play the way we are obviously achieving for. He isn't great at RW and he can't play in the pivot, I'd hate to say it but if a big money offer comes in we should accept. A skillful CM like Axel Witsel, or montinho would be more useful. I say this out of love for Ramires because I'd hate to see him play a bit part role for the team and only be a super sub.

but giving our coaching history, how long will we need him to play the pivot or RW?

[Kinol 337]

Would playing him next too Lampard, in the pivot, work? He could play box to box like Sami Khedira does for Real. Maybe not against top competition but against the lower teams.

Too big of a risk. We underestimate the teams too much

[robsblubot 3,228]

Too big of a risk. We underestimate the teams too much

Box-to-box is how he's played during his entire career and for Brazil. He plays as winger on occasion, and does a good job esp when defending is important (barca), but he is certainly more of all rounder than a creative winger.

People forget how young he is. I think Ramires is great player right now as well as a fantastic prospect for the future (of Chelsea and Brazil NT). Now, he is far better in the centre midfield.

BTW, he can do what Meireles does with better quality.

[Kinol 337]

Box-to-box is how he's played during his entire career and for Brazil. He plays as winger on occasion, and does a good job esp when defending is important (barca), but he is certainly more of all rounder than a creative winger.

People forget how young he is. I think Ramires is great player right now as well as a fantastic prospect for the future (of Chelsea and Brazil NT). Now, he is far better in the centre midfield.

BTW, he can do what Meireles does with better quality.

Nore Lampard or Ramires are defensive minded. Both like to take forward runs and aint that good on defending.