DDA 9,941 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 What's all this talk of him being so raw !!I understand he doesn't play with the maturity of a player who has experienced first team football at s club of our stature. Though all this talk of him being too raw for a chance in our team is bollocks.Sometimes, actually a lot of the time players are over analysed and their talent is being underrated by the use of language that managers use. Raw talent like his is rare to find at such an early age. He is full of confidence and given a run I think he would be an awesome player.Players like Micheal Owen, Wayne Rooney and many more were never given this ... He's too raw crap. They were seen for what they were and given a chance. The rest was history ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,056 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 What's all this talk of him being so raw !!I understand he doesn't play with the maturity of a player who has experienced first team football at s club of our stature. Though all this talk of him being too raw for a chance in our team is bollocks.Sometimes, actually a lot of the time players are over analysed and their talent is being underrated by the use of language that managers use. Raw talent like his is rare to find at such an early age. He is full of confidence and given a run I think he would be an awesome player.Players like Micheal Owen, Wayne Rooney and many more were never given this ... He's too raw crap. They were seen for what they were and given a chance. The rest was history !I think his case is entirely different. Not only does he play for a bigger club than the players mentioned did, but times were different as well.I'm 90% sure, he won't be in our squad come next season. It's nothing against whatsoever, but he has to have as much playing time as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,509 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I think his case is entirely different. Not only does he play for a bigger club than the players mentioned did, but times were different as well.I'm 90% sure, he won't be in our squad come next season. It's nothing against whatsoever, but he has to have as much playing time as possible.Based on his raw abilities, which league would suit him the best?Bundesliga, French league, Spanish league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,056 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Based on his raw abilities, which league would suit him the best?Bundesliga, French league, Spanish league?Ligue 1 would probably suit him best. I could see him flourishing at a team like Bordeaux for instance.The common language would help him settle in quicker as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyikolajevics 2,700 Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Just scored against Zwolle. It's his 11th goal on his 25th match, he also have three assists. He's having a good season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,075 Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 I watched the first half hour today before going for something to eat so I just missed his goal. He played as one of two strikers in a 4-4-2. In the 30 minutes I saw he mainly looked good. He was neat and quick and even when things went wrong you could see he was trying to do the right things. Towards to end of what I saw though there were one or two loose touches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacquiao 1,834 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 10 goals and 2 assists in his last 11 games. The boy is on FIRE!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 He's killing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 He's killing it.You watch him a lot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 You watch him a lot?I've watched him quite a bit recently and he's really turning his talent into productivity lately, some excellent performances. Eredivisie is perfect for his development. Interested to see whether he gets a WP next year. Could make it as our 5th choice AM IMO. If not, loan him out to a slightly tougher league like France and see how he does there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Colored Sky 1,807 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 You watch him a lot?I watch him practically every weak, depends when they play.This guy has a special talent, it's obvious. I was very interested in him ever since I saw him in an Asian Tour in 2013. Well, even before that. He had in earliest FMs the highest potential in Chelsea youth and I didn't even know who this guy is. Why he doesn't play at all when I watch youth ? Then only in 2013 I discovered what is going on. Chelsea practically keep him since 2010 but there were shady deals why they can't sign him before turning 18. Anyway, there's a reason why Chelsea even bothered in a first place. Mourinho already said that they're waiting for a work permit. He said that this kid is "emotionally stable" (he likes this word very much, doesn't he ?) and is ready to make an impact. Mourinho, when talking youth, often talks about emotional stability in them and if they cope with pressure. At least a couple of times he said that he has to get his work permit because he's playing in a senior national team since 15.Like I said, I really like Bertrand as a player. Here's why.1. He has absolutely exquisite technique. For real. First touch always first class. He controls ball brilliantly. In Poland we often say that "a ball doesn't trouble him" when we want to say in funny way that somebody has technique. Yep, a ball definitely doesn't trouble Bertrand at all. His coach in Vitesse said that he never saw someone with that technique and he passes even his hardest challenges in training with ease.2. He has very good vision. In his debut with first contact with the ball he immediately showed unorthodox thinking. I said to myself "like what" ? He really sees thing differently, a whole new set of ways where to pass. He knows how to wait that extra second to pass the ball in time, it's natural for him. You either have it or don't. And to be fair he's waisted as a centre forward in that regard because that feature is not utilized enough.3. He has fantastic physical traits. It's evident that muscles are eager to grow on him. He's significantly broader and quicker compared to last year. He's really, really fast. With added muscles he can handle himself better. He makes tens of sprint every match at the same intensity and that says he has a very good stamina too. Don't know how he'd cope with match every 3 days but playing every week he's showing that athletically he's very good.Technique + vision + athleticism = a gem of a playerHe scores a lot currently but I don't think that centre forward is his final position. Versatility is very good, but he has so much to his game that in better teams would be used better. He evidently to me would thrive with better environment. He is eager to play a passing game but with Vitesse team it's difficult. That's why he is playing as a centre forward. He strikes the ball very well and has superb athleticism so in Vitesse team it's better when he plays upfront. But he has lots of potential left to be used.To be fair I think he'll be with Chelsea next season if he secures his work permit. But there's big IF. With new rules to meet work permit criteria, for some it will be easier, for some harder. No appeals. A special talent work permit has to be obtained for him. And it'll be difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 THANKS great read Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 A small example of some of his handy work "Blue Coloured Sky" seems like he's nailed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 He has a great first touch, ball control and shot. And he's very calm and composed on the ball. But its just preseason so let's not put much pressure on himfantastic signing. I love players with amazing ball control like him. He's everything mourinho wants in the right wing, (left footed, can shoot from distance, strong, fast and has great ball control)In a few years he'll nail a starting position for us, i'm confident of it.I just had a feeling he's too good. I've never been this impressed about our youth team player not even KDB impressed me this much. I'm so confident in his abilities that if he's given 5 straight games in front of Oscar or Willian he'll relegate them to the bench like zouma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jernej93 569 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I think he should be in Chelsea next season ... loans to big clubs are very risky (Atsu). They have a lot of quality players and they will often "push forward" their own youngsters and players even if they are not as good as loanees.crBut under Mourinho I can't see him gettin a lot of minutes here. And also our transfers made a lot of crowd in his position (AMC - AML/R -> Hazard, Willian, Oscar, Cudrado, Remy*, Ramires*, Fabregas*, Piazon, Salah, Atsu, Moses and a lot of youth talents) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Is he more a right winger or a CF?Are his dribbling skills really good enough to defeat more than on player?His shooting skills are really amazing.Respect.I just hope that we do not sell him because he could become the next KDB 2.0,when it comes to potential Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Is he more a right winger or a CF?Are his dribbling skills really good enough to defeat more than on player?His shooting skills are really amazing.Respect.I just hope that we do not sell him because he could become the next KDB 2.0,when it comes to potentialHe is a right winger but his vision is very good so he can easily play behind the striker. If we sell him without even giving him a chance here, no attacking teenager will make it in our club. You won't find better talent than this at this age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 He is a right winger but his vision is very good so he can easily play behind the striker. If we sell him without even giving him a chance here, no attacking teenager will make it in our club. You won't find better talent than this at this age.We need a proper RW... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyikolajevics 2,700 Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 He scored against Excelsior today, he has 14 goals in 30 matches now and it's half-time only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We Hate Scouse 10,326 Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 He scored against Excelsior today, he has 14 goals in 30 matches now and it's half-time only.Then Excelsior went and scored 30 seconds later, why'd I bet on Vitesse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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