🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Jadon Sancho

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

I wouldn't entirely rule this out given even after our Ziyech purchase, the media and even our top correspondents still state we are still looking, and in some case favorites, to bring him in. 

There has to be some element of truth. 

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

If indeed the club is "all in" for Sancho as the media say, then I guess Frank plans a 4-2-3-1 for the next season with Sancho/Ziyech/Pulisic (Hudson-Odoi) behind the centre forward. I don't know for sure (how would I anyway?!), but I do not think the club bought Ziyech mainly  for the RW, maybe he will play there in some big matches, but other than that he is going to be the number 10.

Overall it looks good on paper, but it would be a big mistake if we are not in for a top left back and top centre forward, too. And I would add a very good centre back also. What is the point of having a top class attacking line when there is Rudiger and Christensen/Tomori/Zouma as the centre back partnership? We, the fans, make Rudiger look like some good defender just because our centre back options are all average, but for me he needs shifted, too at some point. We really are in need of a towering centre back partnership. 

[Jase 43,479]

5 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I wouldn't entirely rule this out given even after our Ziyech purchase, the media and even our top correspondents still state we are still looking, and in some case favorites, to bring him in. 

There has to be some element of truth. 

Maybe. Maybe not. Could be BS to generate clicks. 

I still remember when we were endlessly linked with Hulk in the early 2010s but nothing materialized in the end. 

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, petre.ispirescu said:

If indeed the club is "all in" for Sancho as the media say, then I guess Frank plans a 4-2-3-1 for the next season with Sancho/Ziyech/Pulisic (Hudson-Odoi) behind the centre forward. I don't know for sure (how would I anyway?!), but I do not think the club bought Ziyech mainly  for the RW, maybe he will play there in some big matches, but other than that he is going to be the number 10.

Ziyech can play in the #10 role but I don't think he is going to be used there permanently. I think he will be rotated between #10 and the RW, depending on the situation/match. IMO, I believe he will be used more on the RW, where he can cut inside and link with others and allow James to overlap. Plus given Mount seems to be key figure for Lampard, I don't think he's just going to be left aside, whatever fans think of him. And also, I highly doubt the 4-2-3-1 will be our default setup because otherwise, having a midfield options of Jorginho, Kante, Kovacic, Loftus-Cheek, Gilmour, Gallagher and even Barkley is overkill. 

[communicate 2,703]

8 hours ago, petre.ispirescu said:

If indeed the club is "all in" for Sancho as the media say, then I guess Frank plans a 4-2-3-1 for the next season with Sancho/Ziyech/Pulisic (Hudson-Odoi) behind the centre forward. I don't know for sure (how would I anyway?!), but I do not think the club bought Ziyech mainly  for the RW, maybe he will play there in some big matches, but other than that he is going to be the number 10.

Overall it looks good on paper, but it would be a big mistake if we are not in for a top left back and top centre forward, too. And I would add a very good centre back also. What is the point of having a top class attacking line when there is Rudiger and Christensen/Tomori/Zouma as the centre back partnership? We, the fans, make Rudiger look like some good defender just because our centre back options are all average, but for me he needs shifted, too at some point. We really are in need of a towering centre back partnership. 

With the signing of ziyech, I can safely rule out Sancho. There is no way in hell we will play

4231

With 

Tammy

Puli - Sancho - CHO

It can only work against very weak team, and you don't build your team that way. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

39 minutes ago, communicate said:

With the signing of ziyech, I can safely rule out Sancho. There is no way in hell we will play

4231

With 

Tammy

Puli - Sancho - CHO

It can only work against very weak team, and you don't build your team that way. 

Barkley and Willian's presence, the latter rumored to be offered an extension, are primarily the reasons why I can't see Sancho coming. 

That said, the rumors won't go away. 

[communicate 2,703]

42 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Barkley and Willian's presence, the latter rumored to be offered an extension, are primarily the reasons why I can't see Sancho coming. 

That said, the rumors won't go away. 

Nah even if both Willian and Barkley are gone, Sancho is not coming because we have signed Ziyech. I am not going to rule out his signing in 2/3 season if we decide CHO or puli or even ziyech to be not good enough. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

9 minutes ago, communicate said:

Nah even if both Willian and Barkley are gone, Sancho is not coming because we have signed Ziyech. I am not going to rule out his signing in 2/3 season if we decide CHO or puli or even ziyech to be not good enough. 

Disagree.

Ziyech primarily operates as a CAM. With Barkley and Willian gone, this leaves a lot of availability. 

LW - CHO/Pulisic/Mount

CAM - Ziyech/RLC/Mount

RW - Sancho/Ziyech

CM - Jorginho/Kovacic/Kante 

[communicate 2,703]

3 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Disagree.

Ziyech primarily operates as a CAM. With Barkley and Willian gone, this leaves a lot of availability. 

LW - CHO/Pulisic/Mount

CAM - Ziyech/RLC/Mount

RW - Sancho/Ziyech

CM - Jorginho/Kovacic/Kante 

It look tasty but In majority of the  game you will leave ziyech/puli/CHO on the bench. That imo not possible. This season sure, CHO is recovering from his injury and puli is in his first season but next season nope.

Plus

Tammy

Puli - Sancho - Ziyech

Look tasty but too imbalance. The only team who play that was is sort of city, but you need open cheque book and pep. 

 

[Miguelito 459]

It look tasty but In majority of the  game you will leave ziyech/puli/CHO on the bench. That imo not possible. This season sure, CHO is recovering from his injury and puli is in his first season but next season nope.
Plus
Tammy
Puli - Sancho - Ziyech
Look tasty but too imbalance. The only team who play that was is sort of city, but you need open cheque book and pep. 
 

I must say if we do go after Sancho, I think it's possible we play many games without a striker. Starting 4 of RLC, mount, ziyech, puli, Sancho, and CHO. I personally don't think Abraham should be starting at a top club like chels, and I would be happy to play no recognized striker. My only concern would be for crossing. Having ziyech and James putting in crosses is a strikers dream, and I worry we would lose some effectiveness with less of striker presence.

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[OneMoSalah 8,886]

17 hours ago, Miguelito said:

I must say if we do go after Sancho, I think it's possible we play many games without a striker. Starting 4 of RLC, mount, ziyech, puli, Sancho, and CHO. I personally don't think Abraham should be starting at a top club like chels, and I would be happy to play no recognized striker. My only concern would be for crossing. Having ziyech and James putting in crosses is a strikers dream, and I worry we would lose some effectiveness with less of striker presence.

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I hope we never play without a CF ever again. It doesnt work sustainably in the longrun unless you have Messi in that false 9 role and that has been proven for years now based on Peps and Germany's attempts to recreate it with Gotze to us here with Eden and various others at other clubs. I still remember when Man City played James Milner as a false 9 under Pellegrini, what the fuck was that cunt smoking? 

[NikkiCFC 8,326]

Manchester United target Jadon Sancho could stay at Borussia Dortmund

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/manchester-united-target-jadon-sancho-could-stay-borussia-dortmund

Tbh if I am Sancho I would not be against it. Bundesliga is very good now and with Haland he can achieve great things there. Dortmund is better than Chelsea and Utd at the moment.

He can easily stay there next season.

And we either know that or we are not interested at all because: 

1. Signing Ziyach.

2. Offering 2 years contract to Wiliian.

3. We are interested in Aouar and SMS (which suggest we are not planning to play Ziyach as AM).

So all this things tell me we are not after Jadon.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,819]

I think Dortmund is going to wait until after the Euro 2020 to try to get a bidding war going to get as much as they can. 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

4 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

I think Dortmund is going to wait until after the Euro 2020 to try to get a bidding war going to get as much as they can. 

Yes this is the most likely scenario.

[Henrique 9,133]

I'm in the minority, but I don't want Jado Sancho, because we already have too many players in that position. One of the reasons why this team went downhill since 2012 is the lack of coordination in transfer market. Thats exactly the reason why players like Salah and KDB never had a chance here. The team was buying too much players for attacking positions: Oscar, Schurle, Hazard, William, Salah, KDB.

Right now we have Pulisic (a guy that showed he has skills and mindset to be a top player), players from academy like Udson Odoi and Mason Mount, and we just got Ziyech. To other side the had huge problems at the defense (need CBs and full backs), in the midfield with no proper playmaker and proper DM, and no proper CF. But people are excited for Jadon Sancho.

Sancho is not needed right now, and he should be the least of priorities. 

[Atomiswave 6,117]

1 hour ago, Henrique said:

I'm in the minority, but I don't want Jado Sancho, because we already have too many players in that position. One of the reasons why this team went downhill since 2012 is the lack of coordination in transfer market. Thats exactly the reason why players like Salah and KDB never had a chance here. The team was buying too much players for attacking positions: Oscar, Schurle, Hazard, William, Salah, KDB.

Right now we have Pulisic (a guy that showed he has skills and mindset to be a top player), players from academy like Udson Odoi and Mason Mount, and we just got Ziyech. To other side the had huge problems at the defense (need CBs and full backs), in the midfield with no proper playmaker and proper DM, and no proper CF. But people are excited for Jadon Sancho.

Sancho is not needed right now, and he should be the least of priorities. 

Sancho is def needed imo, Puli is injured with no date according to FL or he has somehow pissed him off. Cho is hit and miss after the injury but has time on his side, Willy and Pedro are both goners, then you have Ziyesh. We could do with another quality winger, Ziyesh can play AM very well too.

[Fernando 6,585]

1 hour ago, Henrique said:

I'm in the minority, but I don't want Jado Sancho, because we already have too many players in that position. One of the reasons why this team went downhill since 2012 is the lack of coordination in transfer market. Thats exactly the reason why players like Salah and KDB never had a chance here. The team was buying too much players for attacking positions: Oscar, Schurle, Hazard, William, Salah, KDB.

Right now we have Pulisic (a guy that showed he has skills and mindset to be a top player), players from academy like Udson Odoi and Mason Mount, and we just got Ziyech. To other side the had huge problems at the defense (need CBs and full backs), in the midfield with no proper playmaker and proper DM, and no proper CF. But people are excited for Jadon Sancho.

Sancho is not needed right now, and he should be the least of priorities. 

You mentioned Mason Mount as taking a spot. 

I thought you said he was not good, and no merit for the squad?

[Henrique 9,133]

4 minutes ago, Fernando said:

You mentioned Mason Mount as taking a spot. 

I thought you said he was not good, and no merit for the squad?

He is not good enough, but I dont work for the club, the club think he is good enough, since he was given a new 5 year contract with a huge pay rise.  My point is the lack of coordination in transfer market. Its clear the club have big plans for all those players I mentioned, despite that they are looking for another promising 19 years old.

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

It didn't work because we had Mourinho. Lampard's whole philosophy is emphasised towards attacking play. 

People tend to forget some of the football we played under DiMatteo before he was sacked. Mata, Hazard, and Oscar played some lovely stuff. 

[Fernando 6,585]

3 hours ago, Henrique said:

He is not good enough, but I dont work for the club, the club think he is good enough, since he was given a new 5 year contract with a huge pay rise.  My point is the lack of coordination in transfer market. Its clear the club have big plans for all those players I mentioned, despite that they are looking for another promising 19 years old.

I think we should have 2 wingers per position. 2LW and 2RW. Ziyech I don't think fits under the winger position. Think Sancho, pulisic, odoi and mount is good enough.