Everton 2-0 Chelsea

[Chuckso 17]

4 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

When you take a slightly terrible Tuchel team and turn it into absolute shite under Potter & Lampard:

THAT'S when you can question the managerial impact.

When you chop up 3/4 th of the squad and replace it with inexperienced 'potential' , all in 2 transfer windows, you CANNOT really question managerial impact, because you really don't have a frame of reference for this team. And this team has 0 achievements to begin with.

So no. Poch is NOT the root cause of the problems today. 

Even if there is someone out there that is better, I won't trust these lot up top to find them.

Do you remember how LONG it took for them to even settle on Poch and hire him? How long are they going to wait till they bring in another real candidate. What low quality interim manager are they going to install

S: When you take a slightly terrible Tuchel team and turn it into absolute shite under Potter & Lampard:

THAT'S when you can question the managerial impact.
 

R: We have already seen some measure of managerial impact - that happened in their previous clubs under their previous managers and why they were acquired for serious money.

 

S: When you chop up 3/4 th of the squad and replace it with inexperienced 'potential' , all in 2 transfer windows, you CANNOT really question managerial impact, because you really don't have a frame of reference for this team. And this team has 0 achievements to begin with.

R: As I had said previously, it has been done before. I cited Alex Ferguson’s 1996 ManU team, Monaco’s 2016/17 team. There are many more examples if I can be bothered to do the research. As one poster has pointed out and I have explained why - we are going backwards. We should be seeing progress. 

 

S: Do you remember how LONG it took for them to even settle on Poch and hire him? How long are they going to wait till they bring in another real candidate. What low quality interim manager are they going to install

 

R: So the argument is to stick with mediocrity because we MIGHT get mediocrity as a replacement? We should be afraid of the unknown.
 

Roman who presided over our most successful time did so because he would not stand mediocrity and we were rewarded with the most successful period in the club’s history. Granted we began to run out of managers to chase, but that was one of the faults of the Roman era even though a minor one - he only went after proven winners - some of them were incompatible with the vision he wanted for the club and the way he wanted football to be played. However I digress a little.

 

Bottom line: we are going backwards and if a leader cannot find solutions and quickly enough, he should get the sack. Our current manager fits the bill.

 

Edited December 11, 2023 by Chuckso

[robsblubot 3,595]

@Chuckso we may have a fundamental disagreement here. You think the situation we are in has happened before, elsewhere or not.

For me, the situation is unprecedented: not only the number of changes in the squad (which you addressed), but the age and inexperience of the new signings make this a very unique situation.

[cosmicway 1,333]

2 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

When you take a slightly terrible Tuchel team and turn it into absolute shite under Potter & Lampard:

THAT'S when you can question the managerial impact.

When you chop up 3/4 th of the squad and replace it with inexperienced 'potential' , all in 2 transfer windows, you CANNOT really question managerial impact, because you really don't have a frame of reference for this team. And this team has 0 achievements to begin with.

So no. Poch is NOT the root cause of the problems today. 

Even if there is someone out there that is better, I won't trust these lot up top to find them.

Do you remember how LONG it took for them to even settle on Poch and hire him? How long are they going to wait till they bring in another real candidate. What low quality interim manager are they going to install

Tuchel's team of 2021-22 was a good team, the team of the first two months of 2022-23 when he was still manager not so. We were crap.
You may not like this because Thomas is a Chelsea hero, but the same happened with Mourinho. 2014-15 very good, 2015-16 awful - sacked.
The sudden demise of Mourinho's team was due to aging players in my opinion and something similar happened in 2017-18, the second Conte season.
Then after Tuchel, Potter failed, Lamps failed and now Poch.
But only in exceptional circumstances do I blame managers because I have seen enough. A good team failing because of the manager is a rarity.
There are some managers who lose the dressing room but the rest are just scapegoats.
Chelsea suffer because for years now they use the transfer windows to buy championship level players.

 

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On 10/12/2023 at 23:04, robsblubot said:

What solution? I think fielding Haaland might break a few FA rules eh.

The roster is what it is. Can talk about management all we want, but there is only so much you can do if the players aren't good enough.

We signed a bunch of "projects" and this is the cost. Why would we expect any different?

Enzo and Caicedo are "projects"? 

I'm led to believe that Poch had a say in transfers, so if so, he's just as much to blame as those upstairs. Also, our last two performances were dire, but most players retained their places. As I alluded to above, he has the power to make personal changes rather than come out with embarrassing comments after such performances.