The Next Manager?

[nathangeorge99 27]

Going by statistics, the only available manager who’s had some degree of success at every club he’s managed is Ancelotti. Could be an attractive option for potential transfer target, if we combined him with somehow getting top 4 next season. What would you think of him coming, compared to someone like Allegri or Tuchel?

[manpe 10,861]

4 minutes ago, nathangeorge99 said:

Going by statistics, the only available manager who’s had some degree of success at every club he’s managed is Ancelotti. Could be an attractive option for potential transfer target, if we combined him with somehow getting top 4 next season. What would you think of him coming, compared to someone like Allegri or Tuchel?

It's simple - don't hire somebody who'd been sacked before. I'd rather somebody with fresh ideas.

[Superblue 6,372]

2 hours ago, nathangeorge99 said:

Going by statistics, the only available manager who’s had some degree of success at every club he’s managed is Ancelotti. Could be an attractive option for potential transfer target, if we combined him with somehow getting top 4 next season. What would you think of him coming, compared to someone like Allegri or Tuchel?

In my opinion he shouldn't have been sacked so quickly the first time. There were similar underlying problems with the board's trust and faith in managers back then because after winning the double, the club sacked Ray Wilkins on a whim which in my opinion completely undermined Ancelotti and they let a number of players leave at the start of the second season without replacing them and leaving Ancelotti to trust in youth with a paper thin squad.

However I think the second spells of Mourinho and Hiddink show the pitfalls of a second stint, and I would like to see something different and fresh.

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

7 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

Low-key Marcelino seems to be quality manager too.

He turned shit Valenica into very good one, transforming several underperforming players back in form.

 Barcelona is doing nice with Velverde, another one who was fairly unknown outside of Spain. 

People put too much attention on big name managers instead of focusing on managers that have fitting personality, style, ideas,...

This is kind of our issue though, isn't it.  The real issue.  What is our philosophy?

We keep going through managers and have power struggles between the manager vs. the board.  

On one hand, the manager needs the players he needs.  On the other, managers want to win now and want to bring in players that may not be in the club's long term interests. 

Solution:  We play a certain way, we have a certain philosophy, we get the players and manager that reflect that philosophy. 

Jose, AVB, Ancelotti, Scolari....  Couldn't be more of a mash-up.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

5 hours ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

This is kind of our issue though, isn't it.  The real issue.  What is our philosophy?

We keep going through managers and have power struggles between the manager vs. the board.  

On one hand, the manager needs the players he needs.  On the other, managers want to win now and want to bring in players that may not be in the club's long term interests. 

Solution:  We play a certain way, we have a certain philosophy, we get the players and manager that reflect that philosophy. 

Jose, AVB, Ancelotti, Scolari....  Couldn't be more of a mash-up.

We dont have philosophy. But thats not something you make in one summer. 

Bayern, Barca, Real, United (had) philosophy that went for decades. 

Teams like City or Psg or us dont have philosophy. 

What we can do (Psg and City did) is to create a plan for future and bring people that suit it. 

Be it work on young talents, buy galacticos, play attacking or defensive,...

We have to create a plan and stick to it. But obviously managers might flop and leave, however our board needs smart people who will continue with project and execute it. And thats the problem, we have idiots on board right now.

I dont like City at all, but they have absolutely perfect plan. They spend alot, but IMO they would succeed with half the money (our budget), it would just take more time for them. They have the coach, the idea and that made them interesting to new players, something we lack more and more every year. 

But the main reason for their succees is quality of the board. 

Marina vs Txiki is just not comparable.

[manpe 10,861]

1 hour ago, BlueLyon said:

Txiki

How do you pronounce that mess? Any way I try my tongue gets twisted.

[Tomo 21,733]

11 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

In my opinion he shouldn't have been sacked so quickly the first time. There were similar underlying problems with the board's trust and faith in managers back then because after winning the double, the club sacked Ray Wilkins on a whim which in my opinion completely undermined Ancelotti and they let a number of players leave at the start of the second season without replacing them and leaving Ancelotti to trust in youth with a paper thin squad.

However I think the second spells of Mourinho and Hiddink show the pitfalls of a second stint, and I would like to see something different and fresh.

I heard that Ray's sacking came about because his response to Roman criticising some performances was something along the lines of  "we have just won the double what more do you want?". If that was true he fully deserved to be fired, no wonder the team got so complacent if that was the attitude of one of the coaches.

Usually i would take rumours like this with a pinch of salt, but Ray says some unbelievably stupid things as a pundit and because of that i can actually visualize him saying the above, infact it sounds like exactly something he would say.

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

4 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

We dont have philosophy. But thats not something you make in one summer. 

Bayern, Barca, Real, United (had) philosophy that went for decades. 

Teams like City or Psg or us dont have philosophy. 

What we can do (Psg and City did) is to create a plan for future and bring people that suit it. 

Be it work on young talents, buy galacticos, play attacking or defensive,...

We have to create a plan and stick to it. But obviously managers might flop and leave, however our board needs smart people who will continue with project and execute it. And thats the problem, we have idiots on board right now.

I dont like City at all, but they have absolutely perfect plan. They spend alot, but IMO they would succeed with half the money (our budget), it would just take more time for them. They have the coach, the idea and that made them interesting to new players, something we lack more and more every year. 

But the main reason for their succees is quality of the board. 

Marina vs Txiki is just not comparable.

I agree.  I'm more lamenting that it hasn't been done before. 

City are building with a philosophy.  Since Txiki has been there, everything was about getting a team ready for Pep.  I'm sure the next manager in will share a similar possession based attacking philosophy.

 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

3 hours ago, manpe said:

How do you pronounce that mess? Any way I try my tongue gets twisted.

Correct way is ''cheeky''

 

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

16 hours ago, manpe said:

How do you pronounce that mess? Any way I try my tongue gets twisted.

Cheeky

[the wes 7,212]

Italian manager Carlo Ancelotti has declined to take the national team's job as he is waiting for a return to Premier League, with former club Chelsea and Arsenal as options. (ItaSportPress - in Italian)

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Bayern Munich chief Karl-Heinz Rummenigge: "Thomas Tuchel has indicated to us that he has already signed for another club." (Sky Germany)

 

[the wes 7,212]

 

[It's too big 625]

Yes, it's PSG.

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

5 hours ago, It's too big said:

Yes, it's PSG.

thank god.

[Pizy 18,426]

Don't get why people don't want Tuchel. Especially looking at the alternatives. He was wanted by Bayern and PSG but isn't good enough for us?

[OneMoSalah 8,785]

4 hours ago, Pizy said:

Don't get why people don't want Tuchel. Especially looking at the alternatives. He was wanted by Bayern and PSG but isn't good enough for us?

Honestly don’t think he’d do a good job for us. Style would change yes (although we would concede a lot of goals due to this I would imagine) but his tendency to fall out and have a bad relationship with various staff, players and board members is a big turn off and I’d imagine it would be for any club. Bayern might say he’s signed for another team but I honestly doubt he would be their top choice, in all honestly I think their top choice is trying to convince Jupp to do another year. Mainz told Dortmund that it wouldn’t last too long with Tuchel as well for certain reasons. If he signs for anybody I think it will be PSG.

[Chelsea_firstlove 178]

No Champion League, Conte out, no Tuchel, no Sarri, no one want to manage us.

Hazard out, Courtois out, no Icardi, no Isco, no one want to play for us.

Lampard will be the next manager, develop  young players.