BlueLion. 21,491 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I think the policy is great when players come to the age of 33,34 like we have done with Terry, Drogba and Lamps. But in this case we are talking about a player who is vital for this team and he has just turned 31, a 2 year deal with an option for a third year if he performs would be what he deserves IMO. Also by your theory if we sign a 28 year old player we can max give him a 2 year deal because maybe he declines after turning 30? If Fabregas undergoes your so called Gerrard-like decline when he turns 30, we still have him tied up for 2 years with a massive salary.What's wrong with offering a two year deal with the option of a third to a 28 year old? You can throw names around like Terry, Lampard and Drogba who all continued to play well after the age of 30, but who is to say the next player we offer a big deal to well into their thirties doesn't do a Shevchenko.The fact is there are cases on either side of the "went downhill/continued playing well" divide and we could argue until the sun rises in the west and sets in the east and the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. In my opinion you shouldn't play percentages. I believe offering incremental contracts on a 12-month basis means players have to battle for their contracts. Are there are guarantees John Terry would be playing as well as he is at this stage if he already had his £120,000-a-week salary guaranteed for the next 12 months? I'm not so sure. All I will say is this: does the one year policy damage us in any way?No, it doesn't. If a player doesn't like it they have two options: either do what Terry has done and prove their worth; or go elsewhere and milk another club for their millions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 this policy is good in theory but like every policy has its flaws.It should only apply to certain types of players like those who rely heavily on pace and physical ability/conditioning see ramires and players whose ability and reliability doesn't justify it. JT is still one of the finest defenders around and his game doesn't rely on pace which he never had. Players of his ilk can play at a high level well into their late 30s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I am a firm believe in the "Branislav Alves" moniker. Mainly because I coined it. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 To be honest, not sure what's the big fuss about having Ivanovic on a one year contract anyway. If he plays well, then he will get a contract extension. If not, then the club would probably take a different route. It will ensure the player stays switched on and continues to improve rather than stagnate and fade into oblivion. It might be harsh for someone who has done well for the club but that's life in football isn't it? (funnily enough, that's a phrase some fans like to use when the situation suits them but don't when it's doesn't) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 One year contract extensions for players over 30 is perfect, remember when Lampard got his extension when Rafa was in charge but everyone was sitting saying he should get a 2 year deal or a 3 year deal? Why? He was shite the season after and hardly played and was probably on huge wages, one year contracts means we can dispose of certain players if we need to with a bit more ease by being able to not offer them a contract instead of trying to offoad them when they have 2 years to go and huge wages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 To be honest, not sure what's the big fuss about having Ivanovic on a rolling contract anyway. If he plays well, then he will get a contract extension. If not, then the club would probably take a different route. It will ensure the player stays switched on and continues to improve rather than stagnate and fade into oblivion. It might be harsh for someone who has done well for the club but that's life in football isn't it? (funnily enough, that's a phrase some fans like to use when the situation suits them but don't when it's doesn't)Rolling contract? Branislav's contract is indefinite and he can end it at any moment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Rolling contract? Branislav's contract is indefinite and he can end it at any moment?Brainfart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 He is terrible and I've been a proponet of this for a while now. He simply isn't the defensive stalwart he was several years back. For someone that fancies himself an offensive fullback his offensive contribution and abilites are extrememly lacklustre. Aside from set pieces, I think this guy is a liability. Myself, nono, Peace. and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nono 791 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 He is terrible and I've been a proponet of this for a while now. He simply isn't the defensive stalwart he was several years back. For someone that fancies himself an offensive fullback his offensive contribution and abilites are extrememly lacklustre. Aside from set pieces, I think this guy is a liability.Mourinho's guaranteed selection of him has become a complete farce. The Chels and Blue Colored Sky 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Brainfart. How apt for that to happen in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 A young Harrison Ford.....aka Branislav Ivanovic. Despiadado.Maleante and iseah100 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1988 1,348 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 A young Harrison Ford.....aka Branislav Ivanovic. Looks a bit like Harrison Ford no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mak 4,459 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Paris Saint-Germain plotting £15m summer swoop for Branislav Ivanovichttp://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/563849/PSG-Summer-Transfer-Target-Chelsea-Defender-Branislav-IvanovicIf PSG actually come in with another ridiculous offer, he should be sold on the spot. At 31 years of age, he won't be getting any better and, considering he can't really defend anyway, José should just buy a natural attacking full-back like Ricardo Rodriguez. Belgiannutt, Blue Colored Sky and The Chels 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amblève. 4,995 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Paris Saint-Germain plotting £15m summer swoop for Branislav Ivanovichttp://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/563849/PSG-Summer-Transfer-Target-Chelsea-Defender-Branislav-IvanovicIf PSG actually come in with another ridiculous offer, he should be sold on the spot. At 31 years of age, he won't be getting any better and, considering he can't really defend anyway, José should just buy a natural attacking full-back like Ricardo Rodriguez. Last time I checked Ivanovic had been playing a solid season for us, plus his game doesn't really rely on pace and mobility. I hope I don't need to stress that if you sold Ivanovic this team would be left with just one leader (Terry) as Cech himself seems likely to leave and Drogs will probably retire. killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The Mak 4,459 Posted March 14, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted March 14, 2015 Last time I checked Ivanovic had been playing a solid season for us, plus his game doesn't really rely on pace and mobility. I hope I don't need to stress that if you sold Ivanovic this team would be left with just one leader (Terry) as Cech himself seems likely to leave and Drogs will probably retire.Because the defence has been solid...Chelsea have lost the lead 10 times this seasonhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2993005/Chelsea-lost-leads-10-times-season-Jose-Mourinho-needs-fix-face-renewed-battle-title.htmlThis is nothing new for me, I have always said that Ivanovic is a liability at RB; he doesn't even know how to close down a cross. Yes, he scores goals because he is allowed to roam, but it comes at a cost.As for him being a leader? Give me a break. A leader needs good communication and his is practically non-existent. Remember the absolute confusion whenever he was paired with Cahill or Luiz in the center of defence? Remember him and Cech going at it? I think you are confusing being a leader with having a good work ethic. Besides, a team with strong personalities like this creates new leaders naturally, e.g. Fabregas, Costa. You can't rely on old personalities forever...He's a 31 year old full-back for Christ sake, there's no real reason to refuse a big offer that could be used to buy a much younger replacement. Belgiannutt, Peace., CHOULO19 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Last time I checked Ivanovic had been playing a solid season for us, plus his game doesn't really rely on pace and mobility. I hope I don't need to stress that if you sold Ivanovic this team would be left with just one leader (Terry) as Cech himself seems likely to leave and Drogs will probably retire.Courtois controls his team really well, as demonstrated at Atletico.Fabregas if Iva leaves will be our next captain, he has the characteristics of a leader. Maybe Matic in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amblève. 4,995 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Because the defence has been solid...Chelsea have lost the lead 10 times this seasonhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2993005/Chelsea-lost-leads-10-times-season-Jose-Mourinho-needs-fix-face-renewed-battle-title.htmlThis is nothing new for me, I have always said that Ivanovic is a liability at RB; he doesn't even know how to close down a cross. Yes, he scores goals because he is allowed to roam, but it comes at a cost.As for him being a leader? Give me a break. A leader needs good communication and his is practically non-existent. Remember the absolute confusion whenever he was paired with Cahill or Luiz in the center of defence? Remember him and Cech going at it? I think you are confusing being a leader with having a good work ethic. Besides, a team with strong personalities like this creates new leaders naturally, e.g. Fabregas, Costa. You can't rely on old personalities forever...He's a 31 year old full-back for Christ sake, there's no real reason to refuse a big offer that could be used to buy a much younger replacement. If you're blaming solely Ivanovic for losing the lead in those games then I don't know what to say really. That's like the "Look how often we lost when Mikel is playing" argument all over again.I don't see how Ivanovic is at blame for being allowed to roam forward. We had that discussion in this very thread a few days ago. If Mou didn't advice Ivanovic to roam forward while Willian covers for him he wouldn't be doing it. He absolutely has the green light to be our main attacking threat on the right side and considering the success of this tactic I don't feel like it needs a complete overhowl.Oh yeah, I definitely remember the time when Ivanovic played alongside Luiz under Benitez for weeks and if my memory serves me well the two of them were absolutely bossing it. Interestingly enough that was also the time when Luiz, who most think needs to be bailed out by his partners, played his most consistent and best football for us... I also remember Ivanovic being paired with Kalas vs Liverpool and again absolutely bossing it. Ivanovic and Cahill have never played for an extended time together so there's no point arguing this as far as I'm concerned. Bosnian Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Colored Sky 1,807 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I don't get that when people say that our "whole" team is responsible for this or that and whole team played poorly. It gets an incredible bad luck to have everyone on the same bad page at the same time to start with. For real, in football ONE THING can cause a massive chain reaction. Look at Madrid, they got 22 winning streak, Modric got an injury and they look shambles and hopeless. But of course "whole team plays poorly" but I am sure that when Luka gets to his full flow again they will be flying.And for Chelsea you can't say that the whole team can't defend the lead. So we have 11 men who can't do this ? No, it has his roots somewhere. I think Magic Lamps put this great in one of his posts a few days. Everything starts with defence. And for me Ivanovic and Cahill are two players who are responsible for our flaws, for our retreats, for this conservative approach in so many matches. Their attitude, style and traits cause a massive chain reaction in our team and hold us back. They have to be replaced soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 If ivanovic knew how to block a cross, he'll be world class. He's as bad as bosingwa in this aspect, luckily he is a threat in attack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myself 793 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Paris Saint-Germain plotting £15m summer swoop for Branislav Ivanovichttp://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/563849/PSG-Summer-Transfer-Target-Chelsea-Defender-Branislav-IvanovicIf PSG actually come in with another ridiculous offer, he should be sold on the spot. At 31 years of age, he won't be getting any better and, considering he can't really defend anyway, José should just buy a natural attacking full-back like Ricardo Rodriguez. What? Why would we buy Rodriguez when we have someone better than him sitting on the bench? iseah100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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