Chelsea Transfers

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50 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Maybe he is the second coming and over time it could be a great signing but from what I've seen so far of him Camavinga's reputation seems to be bigger than what he's actually accomplished. Renato Sanches is another who seems to be lauded as this great player but I just don't see it.

Maybe they're really good players in Fifa or Football Manager and that's why they get more love then I think they deserve at this stage.

I'm not completely sold on Rice. I do think he's better then some people give him credit for and as a defensive midfield option and a bit of muscle and size into the midfield I think we could do a lot worse. However I'm yet to be convinced his ability on the ball is up to scratch to play at the highest level and the price West Ham will ask for is astronomical. Having said that our transfer activity since the 2017 debacle has been very good, Kepa aside, and I can only be confident that whomever we target, we can continue this trend.

you are really going to get all 'NO, waste of money' over around £25m?

Rice is likely FOUR TIMES that.

The lad has true WC potential. Have you watched him? I have, extensively for the past 2 years. He was extreme athleticism, can drive the ball forward, tackle, pass, a motor that runs for 90 straight minutes if need be, etc. He also is a hybrid, can play CMF or DMF.

 

as for Renato Sanches, helllllll no

I have seen very few suggest we buy him

never buy players off Euros or WC performances, that will fuck you in the batty (and no chocolates before or after) most every time (exhibit A for us, Bats)

 

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Maybe they're really good players in Fifa or Football Manager

 

this is a massive pet peeve of mine

when people try and slag off others by insinuating they are FM or FIFA console jockeys

I know it is not directed at me in particular THIS time, but when I first joined it was all the time (it soon stopped, thank fuck), and I have NEVER, ever once played either

computer games are a ridiculous way to scout players, and I doubt anyone on here that is a regular is so utterly braindead to think it is a valid method

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just move on : \ 

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Just now, Mário César said:

just move on : \ 

well, it is truly conformed now

only thing left is the obligatory new kit pic

might as well draw a line under it

[Superblue 6,370]

5 minutes ago, Vesper said:

you are really going to get all 'NO, waste of money' over around £25m?

Rice is likely FOUR TIMES that.

The lad has true WC potential. Have you watched him? I have, extensively for the past 2 years. He was extreme athleticism, can drive the ball forward, tackle, pass, a motor that runs for 90 straight minutes if need be, etc. He also is a hybrid, can play CMF or DMF.

 

as for Renato Sanches, helllllll no

I have seen very few suggest we buy him

never buy players off Euros or WC performances, that will fuck you in the batty (and no chocolates before or after) most every time (exhibit A for us, Bats)

 

finally

this is a massive pet peeve of mine

when people try and slag off others by insinuating they are FM or FIFA console jockeys

I know it is not directed at me in particular THIS time, but when I first joined it was all the time (it soon stopped, thank fuck), and I have NEVER, ever once played either

computer games are a ridiculous way to scout players, and I doubt anyone on here that is a regular is so utterly braindead to think it is a valid method

No it's not aimed at anyone in particular, it's based on that I've watched Camavinga a few times (probably not nearly as much as you) and I've not been impressed. He looks ok but hasn't stood out as this fantastic player that I keep hearing he is. 

The hybrid comment worries me a little too because when I've seen him I can't work out what he is because as you said he does have a bit of everything but I don't think he particularly excels in anything (not yet anyway). He doesn't look like he'd be disciplined enough to play a defensive midfield role at the top level, for me that will take a lot of time and patience to be worked on. 

I could be completely wrong but he doesn't look like the player United need to complement Pogba and Bruno.

[Tomo 21,733]

32 minutes ago, Strike said:

Yeah, there is always a case for waiting another year - There are talents that crop up every year but most football fans don't acknowledge this. The opportunity to sign Thiago Silva came up last year for example.

Lot more relaxed about the lack of activity this time than in 2015 or 17. This squad is filled with talented players across the pitch who are also mostly hardworkers off the ball. Tuchel's plan of adding 2-3 starters sounds good but if the right option in attack isn't available/too expensive, I am fine waiting this out and doing a year with Havertz as the false 9 than spend loads on Belotti or Andre Silva. 

Speaking of which, imagine if we signed a past his best Rooney in 2013 therefore blocking the route to sign Costa a year after?

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4 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Speaking of which, imagine if we signed a past his best Rooney in 2013 therefore blocking the route to sign Costa a year after?

Good one. Unlike in 2011 when we did sign Torres and blocked the route to sign Aguero in the summer

[Pizy 18,368]

I’ve been thinking lately that it may be best to target a top class playmaking midfielder if we miss out on every striker target which looks more and more likely.

We have Jorginho who is the deep lying recycler, we have Kante who is the all rounder who hunts down the ball and springs attacks, and we have Kova who is brilliant at receiving the ball in small spaces and carrying it forward (and then having no clue what to do with it in the final third).

What we don’t have is a central midfielder who can consistently pick out world class passes and through balls. A Pogba/De Bruyne/Bruno Penandes/Fabregas sort of player.

Maybe with that sort of player we can get away with Havertz and Werner as our main strikers for a season.

[Jase 43,479]

19 hours ago, King Kante said:

If we can get Håland and sort out a more offensive CM, I am pretty confident about our chances. If you look at City, they're starting to age out. I mean, look at the ages of the side at the start of next season: 

KdB - 31 (maybe not an issue with his play style but he has never been quick and always looked a little 'chunky')

Gundogan - 31 (bad knees)

Kane - 29 (bad ankles) 

Walker - 32 (relies on speed)

Fernandinho - 38

Mahrez - 31 (relies somewhat on speed)

Then you have some of their speed merchant players pushing for 30 during that season: 

Sterling 28

Cancelo 28

For me, City are a great side but they're not far off a overhaul. One thing the do have however is probably the best group of CB's and GK's in Europe that are still young + Zinchenko (although he seems to split opinion.) 

I feel like the biggest problem with facing City is Guardiola. Given the financial power that City have, I doubt they'll ever have much problem, if any at all, replacing players if they want to. But with Guardiola, it's a different case altogether.

Since he became manager in 2008, he has failed to win a league title only three times. Yes, he has managed some of the biggest clubs in the world and has been able to get the best players around but the consistency that he has been able to get out of his teams is stupid and bonkers. Look at the points total his teams won in their title winning seasons - 87, 99, 96, 90, 79, 88, 100, 98, 86. He did get only 79 points in one of those seasons but 3 of the losses then came after winning the league and also worth remembering that the Bundesliga have 4 less games than in La Liga and the Premier League. Even when he has failed to win the league, the points tally is still reasonably high/high - 91, 78, 81. For context/comparison, we have not gotten more than Guardiola's lowest league points tally of 78 in 8 of the last 11 league seasons. Plus, the two seasons that Guardiola failed to win the Premier League were partly due him to adjusting to the league in 2016/17 and the team having a sudden meltdown in 2019/20 or aka others need to go on a crazy/silly winning run to win it or even stand a chance, like we and Liverpool did. So, the quicker Guardiola leaves City, the better really. It's also silly to see mostly one team dominate the domestic cup competitions, especially the League Cup.

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7 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I knew we'd had a few links with him thrown around but we get that with about 100 different players a season. I can't remember though there being really strong links to him signing for us over the few weeks prior to it being confirmed. Even a couple of days before it was confirmed there were still reports that Liverpool were favourites for him. Maybe I was just not paying any real attention at the time but it seemed like it really came out of the blue.

I too remember that the Pulisic announcement came out of the blue. Was out at the time and I got shocked when I saw the news. But there were definitely links with him back then and based on the comments in that transfer thread, don't think many were excited by the signing and/or thought we would lose him to Liverpool and hence, maybe the surprise/shock response at the end.

7 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

The main point though is everybody is losing their mind that we haven't signed anybody yet and it's effectively coming on the back that United have signed Sancho (who they've been trying to buy for a year) and they're in discussions with one other player. There has been hardly any movement so far in the market in general, I would expect to see more movement over the next 3-4 weeks as the Euros wrap up but ultimately the signings have to be right. United may have taken a year but they got the player they wanted rather than settling for a second rate alternative. We had to play a waiting game to sign Havertz last summer. Would people have preferred us then to instead use that money to buy an alternative because the negotiations for Havertz were long and drawn out? There's still plenty of time for movement, people need to relax a bit.

Think the difference with the Havertz situation was that negotiations did take place and there was acceptance that Leverkusen were OK with selling, despite the negotiations dragged on. At the moment, we are not hearing much at all and a lot of players are either already out of the Euros or weren't in it at all. With regards to major signings, I suspect if we don't get any indication that a deal is going to happen over the next 2 weeks or so or by the end of July, then I don't think it'll happen at all because there would only be a month of the transfer window left and clubs may be less keen to sell once the season begins. 

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1 hour ago, Superblue_1986 said:

No it's not aimed at anyone in particular, it's based on that I've watched Camavinga a few times (probably not nearly as much as you) and I've not been impressed. He looks ok but hasn't stood out as this fantastic player that I keep hearing he is. 

The hybrid comment worries me a little too because when I've seen him I can't work out what he is because as you said he does have a bit of everything but I don't think he particularly excels in anything (not yet anyway). He doesn't look like he'd be disciplined enough to play a defensive midfield role at the top level, for me that will take a lot of time and patience to be worked on. 

I could be completely wrong but he doesn't look like the player United need to complement Pogba and Bruno.

He is not a good fit for Manure, as I have stated in the past. TBH, Rice would be a much better fit for them. Or Casemiro. Kalvin Phillips to, to a point, although, like Camavinga, he like to wander around further up the field and not be a stay-at-home hammer. Aurélien Tchouaméni would be a better fit as well, as would Wilfred Ndidi.

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7 hours ago, Tomo said:

If Barcelona are as fucked as @King Kanteis suggesting I wouldnt be against testing the waters for De Jong.

He is on €400k a week. 

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2 hours ago, Jas said:

I feel like the biggest problem with facing City is Guardiola. Given the financial power that City have, I doubt they'll ever have much problem, if any at all, replacing players if they want to. But with Guardiola, it's a different case altogether.

Since he became manager in 2008, he has failed to win a league title only three times. Yes, he has managed some of the biggest clubs in the world and has been able to get the best players around but the consistency that he has been able to get out of his teams is stupid and bonkers. Look at the points total his teams won in their title winning seasons - 87, 99, 96, 90, 79, 88, 100, 98, 86. He did get only 79 points in one of those seasons but 3 of the losses then came after winning the league and also worth remembering that the Bundesliga have 4 less games than in La Liga and the Premier League. Even when he has failed to win the league, the points tally is still reasonably high/high - 91, 78, 81. For context/comparison, we have not gotten more than Guardiola's lowest league points tally of 78 in 8 of the last 11 league seasons. Plus, the two seasons that Guardiola failed to win the Premier League were partly due him to adjusting to the league in 2016/17 and the team having a sudden meltdown in 2019/20 or aka others need to go on a crazy/silly winning run to win it or even stand a chance, like we and Liverpool did. So, the quicker Guardiola leaves City, the better really. It's also silly to see mostly one team dominate the domestic cup competitions, especially the League Cup.

Yeah, league wise. Pep is pretty unreal. It is in cups where he comes unstuck as he seems to over think things. 

However, i wouldn't hold your breath on him leaving any time soon, City is completely built around him and I cannot see where he goes. 

Real - No way.

Bayern - done it

Another PL club - no chance

Barca - Will need a complete rebuild and he hasn't taken on a project like that before. 

Spain - Cannot see him wanting international football until he is in his late 60's. 

PSG may be able to convince him somewhere down the line but even that I think is doubtful as he probably see Ligue 1 as a second rate league like most people. 

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4 minutes ago, King Kante said:

Yeah, league wise. Pep is pretty unreal. It is in cups where he comes unstuck as he seems to over think things. 

However, i wouldn't hold your breath on him leaving any time soon, City is completely built around him and I cannot see where he goes. 

Real - No way.

Bayern - done it

Another PL club - no chance

Barca - Will need a complete rebuild and he hasn't taken on a project like that before. 

Spain - Cannot see him wanting international football until he is in his late 60's. 

PSG may be able to convince him somewhere down the line but even that I think is doubtful as he probably see Ligue 1 as a second rate league like most people. 

Inclined to agree but IIRC, he did mention before that he would like to coach Inter one day (or was it another Italian club?) some years ago. I don't know if Italian clubs will ever be rich enough to tempt him, apart from maybe Juventus. If not, maybe he will finally feel drained out at City or feel like his time at City is done if they win the Champions League. 

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8 minutes ago, Jas said:

maybe he will finally feel drained out at City or feel like his time at City is done if they win the Champions League. 

Hopefully we never find out. 

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11 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Hopefully we never find out. 

Tbf, I kind of get the feeling Pep wears a tin foil hat at home. So, one day he may decide to leave for some real random reason. 

Here's hoping 😅

[Clockwork 1,794]

16 hours ago, Atomiswave said:

While we are seemingly at sleep......this stinks of 17/18 season. We will get somebody the last 2 days of the window.

That summer we did spend, we just brought shit players. We replaced Costa and Magic with vastly inferior players. Imo Summer of 2015 was a summer we should have spent on quality, instead we made no investment and sign players with low chance playing for Chelsea.

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50 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

That summer we did spend, we just brought shit players. We replaced Costa and Magic with vastly inferior players. Imo Summer of 2015 was a summer we should have spent on quality, instead we made no investment and sign players with low chance playing for Chelsea.

For that reason, I don't see any squad players leaving because finding a replacement will be more hassle. Unless we get a direct replacement that strengthens us, no one will be let go.

When we signed Drinky and Morata to replace Matic it signalled a decline. Similarly to when we sold Robben and signed Malouda.