Chelsea Transfers

[YorkshireBlue 3,275]

5 hours ago, Muzchap said:

He's bang fucking average too 

That bang fucking average player u speak of rips defenses to bits and wins more points for palace then the remaining 10 players.

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

57 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I don't think I'd be too concerned with last year's figures. Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken but those results will take into account us buying Jorginho, Kepa and Pulisic last season, whilst there was only one sizeable player sale I believe in Courtois.

Also we didn't have Champions League football last season. Despite winning the Europa League, I think we've already over doubled our european money this season compared to last or something nearly as ridiculous.

Having sold Hazard in the summer, Morata this coming summer and likely some other player sales, I think a good amount of money will be spent across the next 2 transfer windows.

To be fair the times we feel we've shopped at Harrods, we've come away feeling we haven't got value for money so maybe that's not the best idea anyway.

correct.  They are up until June 2019 and take into account no CL , plus Kepa, Jorginho etc.    We are sitting on a tonne of money right now from TV and CL money to this date, plus summer sales.   

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

1 hour ago, ChelseaFanUK said:

Thinking with a sensible head on... much as I'd like Werner i think he will join Bayern in the summer. Just a hunch

Could see Sancho arriving in the summer with us, though

And I really dont think Gabigol is coming here, i reckon West Ham, Palace, Watford kinda club is getting him. 

Ian McGarry is the ultimate bullshitter, knows nothing.  

Think we will end the window with Dembele, and Ake, perhaps Zaha, too.

 

Werner, Sancho, Koulibaly., O. Dembele, and that kinda calibre player do not move in January.  Any stories about them can be filed under "gossip and nonsense"

The gabigol guy screams of serri to me. Remember the fella we 'really wanted' that went to Fulham it somewhere and could be dead for all we know

[Jase 43,479]

I say this is BS but...

 

[killer1257 3,282]

I say this is BS but...
 

Why then even post BS like that? haha


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[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

I say this is BS but...

 

We all love to gossip and panic, don't we? 

[Muzchap 8,966]

2 hours ago, BluesMadLad said:

That bang fucking average player u speak of rips defenses to bits and wins more points for palace then the remaining 10 players.

When did he last do that then?

He is fucking bang average and offers little more than CHO.

Where's his beast mode performances - all in the past...?

Plus playing for a weaker time is sometimes an advantage as other teams won't park the bus and sit deep, leaving him room to run in behind.

Maybe you missed the match against us where a very green James had him in his pocket for the entire game? 🤔

You are of course entitled to your opinion, but this guy is a colossal waste of money at the prices quoted. 👍

[Tomo 21,751]

41 minutes ago, Muzchap said:

When did he last do that then?

He is fucking bang average and offers little more than CHO.

Where's his beast mode performances - all in the past...?

Plus playing for a weaker time is sometimes an advantage as other teams won't park the bus and sit deep, leaving him room to run in behind.

Maybe you missed the match against us where a very green James had him in his pocket for the entire game? 🤔

You are of course entitled to your opinion, but this guy is a colossal waste of money at the prices quoted. 👍

Coming a little naturally demotivated at Palace because he's done what he can there and now wants the step up (partly his own fault for signing a new deal).

Similar happened to VVD before he left Saints. And no, I'm not saying he will come here and have a similar ascendency, just that you're being very harsh writing him off based on his first bit of bad form for quite a while.

[Nicco 927]

2 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Coming a little naturally demotivated at Palace because he's done what he can there and now wants the step up (partly his own fault for signing a new deal).

Similar happened to VVD before he left Saints. And no, I'm not saying he will come here and have a similar ascendency, just that you're being very harsh writing him off based on his first bit of bad form for quite a while.

Hes done what he could there aka the odd fluke goal every 10 games? If we get him, the board is a disgrace simple as that.

[Tomo 21,751]

1 minute ago, Nicco said:

Hes done what he could there aka the odd fluke goal every 10 games? If we get him, the board is a disgrace.

If we're going to base things on goal stats, his record is similar to Damien Duff's before we got him.

[LAM09 7,051]

If we're going to base things on goal stats, his record is similar to Damien Duff's before we got him.

You have to take the magnitude of the potential transfer into consideration with such comments.

[Nicco 927]

6 minutes ago, Tomo said:

If we're going to base things on goal stats, his record is similar to Damien Duff's before we got him.

Doesn't mean it will turn out the same. I repeat every single poster on this board who has watched him in the past season can tell he is an absolute dud. One of the most overrated player I've ever fucking seen, If we get him I sincerely hope he delivers because if not I will quote his entire player thread with posts from the last few pages where people ACTUALLY say he rips defenses to bits, sort of weapon I want in my team so they can point me to this mythical player which isn't Zaha.

[Superblue 6,372]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

I say this is BS but...

 

Agree extremely unlikely.

Having said that as the report states, he only has 18 months on his contract and he has been at Bayern now for 10 years. If he wants to try a new league with a big club then really it has to be soon unless he leaves on a free transfer in 18 months time when he'll be just turning 29.

If there is any chance of getting him for somewhere around the price in that report then he has to be our first choice. Even at 27 I think we would get 3 - 3.5 years of him at the top level and he has experience of playing centrally too which he could possibly do as he gets a little older.

[Vesper 30,169]

4 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

It looks like many people don't like him. Like I said I think it's Sancho or Zaha. So obviously I would prefer Jadon but if we can't sign him I'm OK with Zaha. For me Zaha it's top 5 wingers in the league with Salah, Mane, Son and Sterling. Only difference he plays for much weaker team. 

Bernardo Silva (25yo) is streets ahead of Zaha (and is left-footed so a perfect RWer for us, and can play AMF too)

you also forget a healthy Sane (24yo in a week) 

Martial (24yo) too (and he can play CF as well)

Richarlison (22yo) too (another one who can play CF) is another (being 5 years younger than Zaha as well is a big positive difference as well)

 

I rate Zaha 9th after those 8 (your 4 plus my 4)

My issues are age and price and a career-long lack of production (plenty of players produce decent numbers on shit teams)

plus his wage demands will be super high, we all know this, so a potential changing-room point of trouble with some of our lads in the middle of contractual negotiations

I think all in all he is worth around £50m or so, especially due to age, as we only get 2 full sub 30yo seasons out of him, and as I have tirelessly documented dozens of times, there are so few over 30yo wingers n the EPL (and globally so few who are decent), and almost all in the EPL are shit) There are NO EPL LWers over 27yo except for one, the just turned 30yo dregs that is Junior Stanislas. Let that sink in. At RW, there are only 4 over 30yo (we have 2 and one is soon gone) Aaron Lennon, Pedro (soon gone) Willian and Robert Snodgrass (not a pure winger either), plus two 30yo olds, Theo Walcott  and the just turned 30 Andrii Yarmolenko (who plays MF as well).

£80m plus around £52m in salary (£200K PW for 5 years, £41.6m if a 4 year contract) is madness for a 28yo at 3 months into next season Zaha.

His production at top flight is weak

38 goals in 219 games for top flight teams

basically a goal every 6 games

so 6 or 7 a year

is that worth £132m? especially as he will be basically worthless at the end of his contract

£3.5m PER GOAL based on his cumulative top-flight career production (granted he should score a bit more with us but still you get the point)

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

Sunday papers are the worst  lol. Jesus christ, the Express also saying West Ham linked with 70m Koulibaly.   Utter nonsense 

 

Always suspected first week or so of window would be slow... quick succession of games ;and discussions ongoing.   

 

[Vesper 30,169]

Rich get richer

Real Madrid agree €35m fee for Flamengo wonderkid Reinier

https://www.goal.com/en-sa/news/real-madrid-agree-35m-fee-for-flamengo-wonderkid-reinier/eapdelkxryyu1m5pxpmegsd4p

Los Blancos beat out several rivals in La Liga for the signature of the highly-rated teenager, who follows in the footsteps of Vinicius Junior

Flamengo attacker Reinier will officially join Real Madrid later this month for a sum worth around €35 million (£29m/$39m), sources close to the situation can confirm.

Los Blancos beat off competition from La Liga rivals Barcelona and Atletico Madrid to land the signature of the highly-rated teenager, who turns 18 later this month on January 19.

Both Madrid and Flamengo will wait until that date in order to announce the deal, which will take the Brazil under-23 star to Spain on an unspecified, though likely lengthy contract.

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Real Madrid Have Offer Accepted For Flamengo Wonderkid Reinier And Again Top FC Barcelona

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomsanderson/2020/01/04/real-madrid-have-offer-accepted-for-flamengo-wonderkid-reinier-and-again-top-fc-barcelona/#243d8c5f18d6

 

 

[Nicco 927]

Looks like Real will continue to buy Brazilians until they find the next Neymar.

[NikkiCFC 8,318]

5 hours ago, Jason said:

I say this is BS but...

 

I mean why not? He seems extra at Bayern. They already have Hernandez and Davies. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

11 minutes ago, Nicco said:

Looks like Real will continue to buy Brazilians until they find the next Neymar.

Tbf Real have had huge success with Brazilian and other South American nation players in the past. Not everyone is just looking for the next Neymar. Its the next great player in whatever position though but the Neymar comparisons are gonna be about for every Brazilian attacker until Neymar retires.

Robinho was a success there despite how his career panned out and he was well before Neymar's time. Higuain was also a success coming from Argentina. Marcelo has been a success. Di Maria was too. Fernando Redondo, Ronaldo, Roberto Carlos... go back far enough and Di Stefano etc. Even more recently Casemiro too. Militao, Valverde, Vinicius and Rodrygo are another few who will go on and forge there own careers at one level or another.

[Vesper 30,169]

24 minutes ago, Nicco said:

Looks like Real will continue to buy Brazilians until they find the next Neymar.

yes, they are obsessed

top ten  21yo and under Brasilians

sorted by age

Reinier    AMF 17   Real Madrid
Rodrygo  RW 18   Real Madrid 
João Pedro  CF 18    Watford  (Real is sniffing around)
Gabriel Martinelli    CF 18   Arsenal (Real is still sniffing around)

Vinícius Júnior    LW 19     Real Madrid   
Antony    RW 19    São Paulo FC (Real is sniffing around)
Tetê    RW  19     Shakhtar Donetsk    
Emerson    RB   20   Real Betis on loan (sort of, it is actual half ownership but Barca has option to outright own) from Barca
Éder Militão   CB    21    Real Madrid   
Renan Lodi   LB   21    Atlético Madrid   

 

they own 4 and are looking at 3 others, lololol

and the lowest rated overall two on that list are Tetê and Emerson (whom RM never really went for, and are still players of huge potential as well, they are not shite at all)

so if RM did buy João Pedro and Antony and Martinelli, they would  have 7 of the top 8 21yo and under Brasilian players (and they did try on Renan Lodi as well, who the ban KILLED us on, as he was my number one youth LB target)

They are trying to corner the Brasilian marketing space (although they will need to grab Neymar to truly do that)

as they also have Casemiro and Marcelo as well and are trying to grab Marquinhos from PSG in some monster Neymar package deal (wild rumours all over)

if somehow they did pull that off, literally the only WC Brasilians they would not have would be the 3 Bindippers (Alisson, Fabinho and Firmino) then Ederson, Coutinho (I sill rate him WC, hell yes, and he was a fool for leaving Victimpool, I would not be shocked if they took him back somehow, Klopp said he is welcome back), and arguably Arthur (jury still out, a wee wee bit but he is probably there) and Alex Sandro

it is crazy