Chelsea Transfers

[Artandur 939]

56 minutes ago, DDA said:

BYE BYE BARKLEY. 

Somehow including him in a Rice deal would be the dream. Marina needs to work her magic

[Pizy 18,903]

Some of these smaller PL teams will get desperate as the deadline approaches and it's at that time we can probably scam a couple of them into coming for our deadwood. Maybe even on loan if necessary. Could see Ross or RLC going on loan.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

[R2D2 368]

17 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

 

Buy option which will never be activated.

[Jase 43,479]

[Ryan Fong 2,776]

Give us Mendy & Rice then we can call it a day. [emoji2957] Too greedy I know, but we can certainly dream in this special summer.

[Ryan Fong 2,776]

Before this transfer window, we had every right to criticise her.

This window has been so extraordinary, people already forgot the awful signings we had over the years.

Drinkwater, Bakayoko, Zappacosta, Higuain, Morata (although BIG credit to her to offloading him not losing money), Barkley, resigning Alonso, Bats...

Not to mention the transfer ban (although that is more collectively the board’s fault, she IS part of it).

We had awful windows these past number of years, that’s why one of the reasons we found ourselves outside the top 4 at one point and nowhere near challenging City or Liverpool. It’s why one of the reasons last season we got mullered 7-1 in agg against Bayern.

We are having a fanatical right now with this window. You can forgive her. But don’t forget about WHY this window is so big. It’s because previously all of our past windows since 14/15 were shite.

No doubt the likes of Drinkwater and Bakayoko etc were bad signings but what’s it to do with Marina? Seriously this nonsense should stop already, Marina didn’t doesn’t won’t choose targets, she only takes orders and negotiates, no?

[R2D2 368]

3 minutes ago, Mana said:

She doesn’t just “negotiate”, she’s the chief. She has a lot more power than you think at this club. Example Conte had better targets, but he didn’t get them and we got players like Zappa instead. You don’t think she played NO part in that?

I doubt this shit will happen again now with Cech here, he seems to have a massive influence on transfers, as much as Lampard does.

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Mana said:

Example Conte had better targets, but he didn’t get them and we got players like Zappa instead. You don’t think she played NO part in that?

Conte had better targets? That's extremely debatable. The guy was asking for players like Fernando Llorente and Antonio Candreva. They might not be Drinkwater or Zappacosta but we would have ended up with duds too.

I know we fans always say the club should back the manager but on hindsight, am glad the club didn't do that with Conte because a lot of the players he wanted were old, bang average players or worse. 

[Ryan Fong 2,776]

She doesn’t just “negotiate”, she’s the chief. She has a lot more power than you think at this club. Example Conte had better targets, but he didn’t get them and we got players like Zappa instead. You don’t think she played NO part in that?

I truly believe she doesn’t have the power to identify targets. That’s not her job, if she’s the one to choose then I think it’s a mega stupid decision by the club as a whole. Every bad signings the club should be blamed as a whole, from scouts to the manager to the director and to the board, ironically Marina holds the least responsibility. We can only blame her for didn’t negotiate a lower fee but who are we to know what were the situations back then? Maybe the time left for her to negotiate was limited, maybe our club sent out the desperate signal to seller clubs so that she didn’t have much leverages to bargain, who knows.

[R2D2 368]

Some rumours about Umtiti being released by Barca, might be worth a punt on a free despite his injury record.

Also looking at the state of West Ham I honestly think we should try and get Rice now since Lampard likes him a lot, he isn't my favorite but is decent and can cover the centre back as well in case things go tits up again this season.

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Mana said:

It’s debatable I agree, but Conte just gave you the PL title, trust in the guy FFS. 

Then if it goes wrong, Conte would had zero excuses.

He did win the PL title but trust him when he's asking players like Candreva, Llorente? That's very difficult. 

Furthermore, this is a manager who refused to work with the board properly on transfer targets and reportedly turned off his mobile in 2017 off season to avoid being contacted by the club. 

[NikkiCFC 8,318]

Marina responsibilities debate number 674538467

[OhForAGreavsie 6,072]

15 minutes ago, Ryan Fong said:

I truly believe she doesn’t have the power to identify targets. That’s not her job, if she’s the one to choose then I think it’s a mega stupid decision by the club as a whole. Every bad signings the club should be blamed as a whole, from scouts to the manager to the director and to the board, ironically Marina holds the least responsibility. We can only blame her for didn’t negotiate a lower fee but who are we to know what were the situations back then? Maybe the time left for her to negotiate was limited, maybe our club sent out the desperate signal to seller clubs so that she didn’t have much leverages to bargain, who knows.

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[NikkiCFC 8,318]

Exactly one month left in transfer window. 

Not counting 10 players already on loan we have 46 players left! So half of them need to be sold or to go on loan. 

We really need to focus now on this. 

[NikkiCFC 8,318]

1 minute ago, Mana said:

 

What about Sarri though? Other than Jorginho?

Kovacic, Kepa, Higuain. 

[Jase 43,479]

7 minutes ago, Mana said:

I don’t know what Conte sees in them. But if they are old and crap, then that’s Marina’s job to get the lowest fee for them as possible. Although, we don’t know exactly what happened behind the scenes, and Conte could have been the one who fecked up the relationship.

The point here isn't about the fee but the quality of players he wanted. We would still have ended up with duds, just like we did with Drinkwater, Zappacosta etc. You complained about the piss poor players that we have but are okay with what Conte wanted back then? 

Let's face it, Conte is a pain in the arse to deal with. It's always either his way or he'll go on a "riot" and start moaning about everything, including the club, in the public. You only have to look at some of the recent nonsense he did at Inter when he didn't get what we wanted. And oh, you also have to look at some of the duds he's signed since he's been there. 

[Ryan Fong 2,776]

I didn’t say she is the one scouting these players, but if a coach had a player in mind, but Marina doesn’t think it’s worth it, she has the power to deny. Again, chief executive. I can’t think of a person in Chelsea who holds so much power other than Roman and Bruce.
I strongly do not believe she has the least power in the board. She is the most powerful woman in world football. One of the top directors in world football. So when top corporations rate her at that level, I cannot think why she would have the least responsibility.

You miss the points from my posts. I didn’t say she has the least power in the club, I said she holds the least responsibility for signings that turned out to be bad players for us. Ok maybe even like you said it’s the case that she declined manager’s “good” targets (which again I don’t buy it, even it’s true that’s only down to financial reasons), who gave her the bad targets then? By browsing WhoScored herself then say fuck it let’s sign Zappacosta? I bet you she even didn’t know who the fuck is Zappacosta before entering the negotiation. A bad signing is caused by poor identifying by the scouts, bad filtering by the director of sports and the manager, Marina was is and will be only responsible for the signing fee.

[Ryan Fong 2,776]

And who is the “director of sports?”
Since the departure of Emenalo, Marina is responsible for player transactions as well as overseeing the academy and scouting structure.
If there has been poor scouting, then while the scouts were bad, she trusted them and it’s her responsibility.
She is in control of hiring and firing people, only Roman and Bruce have more power than her to overrule her decisions. And Roman usually sides with her. Marina does it so well, she keeps her business hidden from cameras so we don’t know how she behaves.
So sorry, until you name me whoelse oversees the structures of this club, I strongly disagree that she was, is and only responsible for the signing fees.
 
EDIT: Also keep in mind we have no “manager” anymore since Conte.

In your POV you literally blame her for every bad things to the club purely because she’s the highest in the hierarchy. “while the scouts were bad, she trusted them and it’s her responsibility” OH MY I dunno even how should I reply to this, why hundreds of millions of pounds to hire these losers then, I’m sure Marina can run the club by herself LOL. Every defeats were all down to Marina because she hired and trusted the manager yeh? Dead end, you’re too stubborn to see things logically so no points for further discussion.

P.s. “manager” “coach” who bloody cares, why are you doing this? You know who was I referring to.

[Ryan Fong 2,776]

Actually most defeats goes down to the board. Not just Marina. But my point is that Marina is not only responsible for signing players. You are minimising what she does for this club.

The signing of Drinkwater for example is mainly the fault of the scouts who picked him, but come on now she’s not a robot or a person without a brain, of course she is going to question WHY Drinkwater and they have to make a case. If Scott McLachlan is the reason why we had poor signings over the years, sack him! He (and these scouts) are still here though, so Marina has to take some blame on this.

The wage that some of these players are getting for doing F’all including Drinkwater is ridiculous.

Thank you, you just support my point partially by saying it’s mainly scouts’ fault for awful signings which was the center point of your initial post. And based on what she should question a target identified by scouts & co and the manager? Her football knowledge? Really? She will only question if the player’s transfer fee is too high and are there any alternatives, then new names come up for her to negotiate. Now tell me, how the hell is her responsibility for bad signings? (Purely ability wise, don’t drag transfer fees and salaries into the debate. I said it she’s only responsible financial wise) And ask yourself few questions. Do 100% successful rate scouts even exist? Do you sack them after one or two bad targets? How do you know she didn’t sack the inept scouts?

 

 

Edit: let’s put it to an end, you can’t convince me even a tiny bit and seems like neither can I. Sorry guys for detailing this thread a bit. Good day.