Special Juan 28,205 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 I'm not taking Delap because of the price tag, as I'm not paying it, the player we need is Gyokares but like I have said all along we will go for the Poundland option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 10,003 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Why on Earth are we not going for Goykeres? Why??? wages i bet…. Strike and Vesper 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,070 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Special Juan said: I'm not taking Delap because of the price tag, as I'm not paying it, the player we need is Gyokares but like I have said all along we will go for the Poundland option It's based on the lesser of two evils. None of us are paying a dime, but the idea of spending €80m~ on Ekitike, not Gyokeres or Osimhem will just hold us back. I can't get behind someone banging goals for a side in Portugal and that won't change (don't want to hear about his exploits for Sweden considering the opposition). If the buzzword is gamble, I'd prefer us to bet on a different horse. Edited May 26 by LAM09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,996 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 I feel like for £60m even if Gyokeres doesn’t live up to the insane numbers he’s putting up now and “only” scored 20 in the PL that’s a great deal. That’s the kind of price that doesn’t hurt you at all long term like someone £85-100m flopping might. And at 25 he’d still have tons of resale value if he ever needed to be moved on which I know our board cares about. This is a player we should be moving for with the speed that Liverpool have moved with their targets thus far. The fact that we aren’t really seeing our name linked by anyone worth a damn tells me that he has probably already been convinced by another club. Annoyingly, that’s probably Arse. 🤦♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,095 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 1 hour ago, LAM09 said: None of us are paying a dime Collectively we pay for it all in the end. Tickets, TV rights fees, sponsorship deals, kit deals, advertising. we are the ultimate source of all that money. Vesper and LAM09 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,320 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 14 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said: Collectively we pay for it all in the end. Tickets, TV rights fees, sponsorship deals, kit deals, advertising. we are the ultimate source of all that money. and our TIME!! ⏲️ OhForAGreavsie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whats happening 1,634 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 3 hours ago, DDA said: Why on Earth are we not going for Goykeres? Why??? wages i bet…. because our board knows he doesnt want to come here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mário César 1,345 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 we are so silly to think that board would change their approach lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkh 627 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Breaking News EXCL: Chelsea are planning potential pre-agreement for Emanuel Emegha to join in summer 2026. NO chances for 22 year old striker to leave Strasbourg this summer; he’ll lead the line in Europe as key part of the project 🇫🇷 Chelsea like him as possible option for the future. (Fabrizio Romano) Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,996 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 7 minutes ago, mkh said: Breaking News EXCL: Chelsea are planning potential pre-agreement for Emanuel Emegha to join in summer 2026. NO chances for 22 year old striker to leave Strasbourg this summer; he’ll lead the line in Europe as key part of the project 🇫🇷 Chelsea like him as possible option for the future. (Fabrizio Romano) We saw this coming when our name was linked with him a week or two ago. May as well lock him up now and see how he does with another season of development at Strasbourg. mkh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkh 627 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 There have been indications that Chelsea could try to sign a new goalkeeper. Rival clubs believe that Chelsea could be tempted to sell their current No 1, Robert Sánchez. (via @JacobSteinberg) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,070 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 2 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said: Collectively we pay for it all in the end. Tickets, TV rights fees, sponsorship deals, kit deals, advertising. we are the ultimate source of all that money. I was going to mention that, but I thought it would be rebuffed considering that's over an extended period. He are the cash cows in the long run. OhForAGreavsie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 3 hours ago, DDA said: Why on Earth are we not going for Goykeres? Why??? wages i bet…. Wages is partly it as he is hyped and 25 so expects his major contract. Other issues are that he didn't look great in the PL the last time he was here and that he has only performed in the Champo and Portuguese league (which is essentially like the Scottish league with sun and three teams instead of two.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,070 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 3 hours ago, Pizy said: I feel like for £60m even if Gyokeres doesn’t live up to the insane numbers he’s putting up now and “only” scored 20 in the PL that’s a great deal. That’s the kind of price that doesn’t hurt you at all long term like someone £85-100m flopping might. And at 25 he’d still have tons of resale value if he ever needed to be moved on which I know our board cares about. On £300kpw~. Until they become less reluctant to offer players their worth, in form players won't be joining this club. That's something the board cares a great deal about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,996 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 29 minutes ago, LAM09 said: On £300kpw~. Until they become less reluctant to offer players their worth, in form players won't be joining this club. That's something the board cares a great deal about. If his wage demands are that high then I can’t blame the club for being weary but this is what you have to do if you want top players. They have to decide this summer whether they want to battle for 4th again or they actually want to achieve things. It’ll make these guys look like absolute fools if Gyokeres joins our hated London rival who also desperately need a striker and he is Haaland 2.0 whilst we just sat back and watched him go there. LAM09 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,070 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 9 minutes ago, Pizy said: If his wage demands are that high then I can’t blame the club for being weary but this is what you have to do if you want top players. They have to decide this summer whether they want to battle for 4th again or they actually want to achieve things. It’ll make these guys look like absolute fools if Gyokeres joins our hated London rival who also desperately need a striker and he is Haaland 2.0 whilst we just sat back and watched him go there. I mentioned something similar after Sunday's result. With the additional income from CL qualification & sizeable payout for CWC participation (hefty bump should we go all the way), the business we do or don't do will say everything about where the owners actually want to take their "investment". Kick on to challenge the best around or be satisfied with the bare minimum. Pizy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,996 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 15 minutes ago, LAM09 said: I mentioned something similar after Sunday's result. With the additional income from CL qualification & sizeable payout for CWC participation (hefty bump should we go all the way), the business we do or don't do will say everything about where the owners actually want to take their "investment". Kick on to challenge the best around or be satisfied with the bare minimum. Yep. We go out and buy Gyokeres or Osimhen and it’ll tell us that these owners want a title challenge next season. Go out and buy Delap or Ekitike and they’re sticking to the “Chelsea will be the best team in a few years” crap we’ve been fed. Going into yet another season where Chelsea Football Club doesn’t even have one of the 5 best strikers in the league would be insanity. LAM09 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,824 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 I think this is what we all fear what will happen in the PL. That strengths section may have felt like it ended quite abruptly, and that was purposeful. Because Ekitike's strengths did get me thinking: how useful would they be in a side that's not Frankfurt, that's not in the Bundesliga, but a less transitional league? Well, I watched Ekitike against Ferencvaros and St Pauli, two teams who sat off against Frankfurt. Watching Ekitike against these deeper defences not affording him as much space, often saw him stripped of his biggest strengths and exposed his weaker aspects. 🔴The main one of those being the tradeoff to his agility: Ekitike is very weak for a #9. He can get sent FLYING by even average-sized CBs. He knows this too, as he's always looking to avoid contact with these players. When he's dueling for a header, he's at his best leaping at the last moment rather than getting into a battle with a defender. Now, when he has space to exploit, this isn't as big of a problem. However, it does mean that passes being fed to Ekitike's feet, with his back to goal, tend to come straight back at you. He drops off the defender, races towards the ball, and plays a pass back to the receiver. He doesn't do much for progressing the ball, because he doesn't want to hold it too long. That's also because if a defender is able to get their body between him and the ball, the games up. Ekitike just never has the muscle capable of winning it back. 🔴Another strength of Ekitike's often disappeared against these sides too; his awesome dribbling. This season on average, he's completed around 1.9 dribbles p90 from 4.1 attempted. Now, take a look at the sides he completed 1 or less against and there's a common pattern. Wolfsburg, Bochum, St Pauli, Freiburg, Union Berlin: All of the sides in the Bundesliga near the bottom for pressing. Ekitike thrives on bursting into space. Rip that space away from him, and suddenly he's not quite as effective. I don't mean to diminish his qualities because he is a FAR better dribbler than most strikers, but it's worth saying I'm not sure how good he'd be as an out-and-out winger. Which is a question we DO need to ask, considering we have similar concerns over his fit as a ST for most teams. 🔴On that note, we must discuss his finishing. Put simply, Ekitike is unreliable in front of goal. Firstly, he's too reliant on shooting with his right foot. He can take shots with his left, but he clearly doesn't trust it; he's taken just 16% of his shots in his career with it. The result is that he'll get into situations where going across goal with his left foot would be ideal, but he instead goes for a tame toe-poke with his right. Oh, and speaking of going across goal, Ekitike is painfully inaccurate with his right foot in this regard. As you can see from Fotmob, he has missed a ton of chances from the right hand side of the box. He just consistently tries to smash it with his laces, but ends up hitting the ball with the outside of his boot and sending it wide. It's weird. Weird is also a word you could use to describe his decision-making when it comes to shots. Ekitike has a habit of trying to shoot unbalanced, on the turn, with shots you wouldn't even score on Fifa. He's also been shooting more from outside of the box of late - he's scored zero from 21 attempts - because he struggles to gain much lift when he strikes the ball. His shots from range are tame and low. The only part of his finishing I'm happy with is his composure. 1v1, he's a big threat, not only in terms of finishing past the keeper but also taking the ball round them and slotting into the goal. Nevertheless, it is absolutely not surprising he's underperformed his NPxG by 3.2 goals this season. And as a striker, that is obviously a major red flag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 10,003 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 9 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said: I think this is what we all fear what will happen in the PL. That strengths section may have felt like it ended quite abruptly, and that was purposeful. Because Ekitike's strengths did get me thinking: how useful would they be in a side that's not Frankfurt, that's not in the Bundesliga, but a less transitional league? Well, I watched Ekitike against Ferencvaros and St Pauli, two teams who sat off against Frankfurt. Watching Ekitike against these deeper defences not affording him as much space, often saw him stripped of his biggest strengths and exposed his weaker aspects. 🔴The main one of those being the tradeoff to his agility: Ekitike is very weak for a #9. He can get sent FLYING by even average-sized CBs. He knows this too, as he's always looking to avoid contact with these players. When he's dueling for a header, he's at his best leaping at the last moment rather than getting into a battle with a defender. Now, when he has space to exploit, this isn't as big of a problem. However, it does mean that passes being fed to Ekitike's feet, with his back to goal, tend to come straight back at you. He drops off the defender, races towards the ball, and plays a pass back to the receiver. He doesn't do much for progressing the ball, because he doesn't want to hold it too long. That's also because if a defender is able to get their body between him and the ball, the games up. Ekitike just never has the muscle capable of winning it back. 🔴Another strength of Ekitike's often disappeared against these sides too; his awesome dribbling. This season on average, he's completed around 1.9 dribbles p90 from 4.1 attempted. Now, take a look at the sides he completed 1 or less against and there's a common pattern. Wolfsburg, Bochum, St Pauli, Freiburg, Union Berlin: All of the sides in the Bundesliga near the bottom for pressing. Ekitike thrives on bursting into space. Rip that space away from him, and suddenly he's not quite as effective. I don't mean to diminish his qualities because he is a FAR better dribbler than most strikers, but it's worth saying I'm not sure how good he'd be as an out-and-out winger. Which is a question we DO need to ask, considering we have similar concerns over his fit as a ST for most teams. 🔴On that note, we must discuss his finishing. Put simply, Ekitike is unreliable in front of goal. Firstly, he's too reliant on shooting with his right foot. He can take shots with his left, but he clearly doesn't trust it; he's taken just 16% of his shots in his career with it. The result is that he'll get into situations where going across goal with his left foot would be ideal, but he instead goes for a tame toe-poke with his right. Oh, and speaking of going across goal, Ekitike is painfully inaccurate with his right foot in this regard. As you can see from Fotmob, he has missed a ton of chances from the right hand side of the box. He just consistently tries to smash it with his laces, but ends up hitting the ball with the outside of his boot and sending it wide. It's weird. Weird is also a word you could use to describe his decision-making when it comes to shots. Ekitike has a habit of trying to shoot unbalanced, on the turn, with shots you wouldn't even score on Fifa. He's also been shooting more from outside of the box of late - he's scored zero from 21 attempts - because he struggles to gain much lift when he strikes the ball. His shots from range are tame and low. The only part of his finishing I'm happy with is his composure. 1v1, he's a big threat, not only in terms of finishing past the keeper but also taking the ball round them and slotting into the goal. Nevertheless, it is absolutely not surprising he's underperformed his NPxG by 3.2 goals this season. And as a striker, that is obviously a major red flag. Fuck that, stay clear 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,996 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 14 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said: I think this is what we all fear what will happen in the PL. That strengths section may have felt like it ended quite abruptly, and that was purposeful. Because Ekitike's strengths did get me thinking: how useful would they be in a side that's not Frankfurt, that's not in the Bundesliga, but a less transitional league? Well, I watched Ekitike against Ferencvaros and St Pauli, two teams who sat off against Frankfurt. Watching Ekitike against these deeper defences not affording him as much space, often saw him stripped of his biggest strengths and exposed his weaker aspects. 🔴The main one of those being the tradeoff to his agility: Ekitike is very weak for a #9. He can get sent FLYING by even average-sized CBs. He knows this too, as he's always looking to avoid contact with these players. When he's dueling for a header, he's at his best leaping at the last moment rather than getting into a battle with a defender. Now, when he has space to exploit, this isn't as big of a problem. However, it does mean that passes being fed to Ekitike's feet, with his back to goal, tend to come straight back at you. He drops off the defender, races towards the ball, and plays a pass back to the receiver. He doesn't do much for progressing the ball, because he doesn't want to hold it too long. That's also because if a defender is able to get their body between him and the ball, the games up. Ekitike just never has the muscle capable of winning it back. 🔴Another strength of Ekitike's often disappeared against these sides too; his awesome dribbling. This season on average, he's completed around 1.9 dribbles p90 from 4.1 attempted. Now, take a look at the sides he completed 1 or less against and there's a common pattern. Wolfsburg, Bochum, St Pauli, Freiburg, Union Berlin: All of the sides in the Bundesliga near the bottom for pressing. Ekitike thrives on bursting into space. Rip that space away from him, and suddenly he's not quite as effective. I don't mean to diminish his qualities because he is a FAR better dribbler than most strikers, but it's worth saying I'm not sure how good he'd be as an out-and-out winger. Which is a question we DO need to ask, considering we have similar concerns over his fit as a ST for most teams. 🔴On that note, we must discuss his finishing. Put simply, Ekitike is unreliable in front of goal. Firstly, he's too reliant on shooting with his right foot. He can take shots with his left, but he clearly doesn't trust it; he's taken just 16% of his shots in his career with it. The result is that he'll get into situations where going across goal with his left foot would be ideal, but he instead goes for a tame toe-poke with his right. Oh, and speaking of going across goal, Ekitike is painfully inaccurate with his right foot in this regard. As you can see from Fotmob, he has missed a ton of chances from the right hand side of the box. He just consistently tries to smash it with his laces, but ends up hitting the ball with the outside of his boot and sending it wide. It's weird. Weird is also a word you could use to describe his decision-making when it comes to shots. Ekitike has a habit of trying to shoot unbalanced, on the turn, with shots you wouldn't even score on Fifa. He's also been shooting more from outside of the box of late - he's scored zero from 21 attempts - because he struggles to gain much lift when he strikes the ball. His shots from range are tame and low. The only part of his finishing I'm happy with is his composure. 1v1, he's a big threat, not only in terms of finishing past the keeper but also taking the ball round them and slotting into the goal. Nevertheless, it is absolutely not surprising he's underperformed his NPxG by 3.2 goals this season. And as a striker, that is obviously a major red flag. Sounds like a player more suited to going to a club a step down in profile and expectation wise than Chelsea and then moving to a big club in a few years. Not someone who comes in as the final piece of the puzzle to make us a title challenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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