Chelsea Transfers

[King Kante 1,643]

20 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

Depending on his wages and not being completely broken, I reckon Spuds take that option. £13-17m for a player off the bench is pretty cheap these days. 

[robsblubot 3,595]

11 hours ago, lucio said:

Yes , too much conditioning and not enough strength. Should be building hamstrings , hip flexors , quads etc not running constantly with no breaks in their schedule. They need to chill with constant games including needless internationals 

right, but regardless of what the strategy is, it takes time. When you sign a 23+yo esp from a PL club, or a big club in Europe, he'd have already undergone strengthening and whatnot. A 19-20yo simply has not had the time at a big club to do that. Can definitely see that being the case with Lavia and Carney, for ex.

So, their fitness struggles don't really surprise me nor do I think they necessarily reflect any injury proneness. It's just the fact they aren't fully developed physically yet.

Reece James, however, that's a different story. 😕 

[Thor 2,693]

7 hours ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

I have not really seen his highlights. Our fan base has become fixated on him, when other clubs like ManUre and Liverpool have cooled their interest in him.

He'll come here and people will quickly realise Jackson offers a lot more around the pitch than Victor does when he isn't scoring. 

He isn't the Kane, Haaland, Lewa level that everyone seems to want to throw him in. Reality is - he is the guy that had one exceptional season when Napoli was exceptional. A lot of other forwards in Italy have had similar scoring type seasons to him previously, and they all ended up poor to average when moved on. 

[Thor 2,693]

Also lol at this talk of age and not fully formed yet being the reason for injuries... 

That isn't how the human body works. 

[Thor 2,693]

9 hours ago, YorkshireBlue said:

And we are better for swapping Enzo and caicedo for Kante and jorgi? 

Jorgi has done jack shit since leaving. 

[robsblubot 3,595]

3 hours ago, Thor said:

Also lol at this talk of age and not fully formed yet being the reason for injuries... 

That isn't how the human body works. 

Muscle mass *can* protect joints from injury. Would you dispute this claim?
I've personally gone through strengthening (as in increase muscle mass) to protect my knee. It worked.
That's what I've heard from physios, but I'm no expert.

Regarding a 19 yo not being fully formed... I hope we are not disputing this one. That's what I usually mean when our 19yo players face players in the 28/29yo physically. I call it a disadvantage, but suppose people here love their kids.

Here's an even more obvious problem of signing very young players: you don't know if they will be injury prone or not. When we signed Thiago Silva (an extreme example to make the point), we knew exactly how injury prone he was, which is not at all. We simply don't know how these players will cope once they are playing twice a week--most have never done that.

Edited January 7, 2024 by robsblubot

[King Kante 1,643]

24 minutes ago, Thor said:

Jorgi has done jack shit since leaving. 

True. However, Jorgi's experience and ability to calm down situations would've been handy. How many times this season have the CM's disappeared and teams have just ran/played straight through us and/or there hasn't been a ball on for the defence/GK to play into the centre of the park. Tbf, Jorgi may not have helped much with the former, but the latter he would've done as he always dropped into the holes to provide an easy pass the the defensive line. 

Edited January 7, 2024 by King Kante

[Strike 7,478]

4 hours ago, King Kante said:

True. However, Jorgi's experience and ability to calm down situations would've been handy. How many times this season have the CM's disappeared and teams have just ran/played straight through us and/or there hasn't been a ball on for the defence/GK to play into the centre of the park. Tbf, Jorgi may not have helped much with the former, but the latter he would've done as he always dropped into the holes to provide an easy pass the the defensive line. 

Arsenal have used him smartly. Didn't play him every week but they did use him on occasion like vs City earlier in the season - games where they needed to control the ball better. 

[Strike 7,478]

With Nkunku's new hip problem, I think the club needs to sign a striker. Jackson and Broja is unsustainable

[Blue Armour 4,436]

19 minutes ago, Strike said:

With Nkunku's new hip problem, I think the club needs to sign a striker. Jackson and Broja is unsustainable

And Nkunku's new hip injury happened in training.

FfS, there are more players getting injured in training than in actual matches.

Wonder how long he's going to be out.

And without Jackson., it's just Broja atm. Not a good look for upcoming PL matches.

Edited January 7, 2024 by Blue Armour

[Strike 7,478]

13 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

And Nkunku's new hip injury happened in training.

FfS, there are more players getting injured in training than in actual matches.

Wonder how long he's going to be out.

And without Jackson., it's just Broja atm. Not a good look for upcoming PL matches.

There's only Fulham at home in the league in the next 3 weeks. Next game will be Jan 31 Liverpool 

Would probably need to prioritise a striker by then. Toney's price has shot up now that Brentford have an injury crisis and are fighting for survival. Osimhen release clause is only active in the summer. 

I wonder if Guirassy and his 15m release clause is a good option for us. All others linked - Gyokeres, Ferguson, Gimenez, Boniface, Sesko - are too young.

[OneMoSalah 8,885]

8 hours ago, Thor said:

Also lol at this talk of age and not fully formed yet being the reason for injuries... 

That isn't how the human body works. 

It is just folk clutching at straws for more stupid excuses. If not for injuries, its for results, if not for results, its about recruitment etc, instead of accepting reality:

Poor squad planning willingly letting so many experienced guys go so quickly, completely changing the leadership dynamics within the dressing room. 

Poor recruitment buying so many young, unproven, inexperienced players at hyper inflated prices. Or more annoyingly, buying so many similarly aged and similarly positioned players too in a short space of time, the likes of Santos, Caicedo, Lavia, Ugo…. could have signed one of them and tried to get a more experienced midfielder for example Joao Palhinha from Fulham who was available. Declan Rice from West Ham again who was available. Even signed 2 of them and then used the extra cash to sign someone for a position we desperately need ie. CF.

Poor decisions to sack a lot of staff from the previous regime, medical staff, groundsmen, even Pat Nevin for questioning the new ownerships recruitment in a BBC column ffs. The medical department right now I am assuming is Dr Nick from the Simpsons because honestly, wtaf is going on with these constant medium to long term injuries, it is the worst I have ever seen here in a long time. 

Poor managerial choices, particularly disposing of a world class coach to end up with Potter & Lampard. Irrespective of what happened with Tuchel, the owner, the players - it was a fucking joke. Absolute laughing stock to end up with Potter and then Lampard. And to be honest as soon as we hired Potter a lot of us seen it coming. He wasn’t ready for that.

Even smaller decisions like giving Connor the captaincy (although I for one am impressed with how he has handled it, how it seems to have further elevated his performances) ahead of Thiago Silva after Reece’s injuries - which apparently ruffled some feathers in the dressing room (however true I have no idea). I mean taking it back a bit, I still think giving Reece the armband ahead of Thiago was absolutely insane. The guy who has captained Brazil, PSG, AC Milan as well I think. RJ needs to get himself right and just back playing football at his best level. When he has been fit this season, performance wise and even body language wise, he looks deflated, as if he’s got the weight of world on his shoulders. Is that the extra pressure of wearing armband at your local team? Maybe? Maybe not? But still thought it was too soon for someone who has had a hugely turbulent up and down past 2 seasons fitness wise. Maybe they hoped it would push him on.

Genuinely just piss poor decision making since Todd and co properly started flexing their muscles last summer. And now these two footballing director muppets have sunk their claws in also, signing young guys almost every player without fail when it is clear we needed some more experience and proven quality.

First the narrative was these younger players will refresh the squad and bring a lot of new energy, replace these so called past it or not good enough players, now its folk blabbering on about lack of muscle mass as opposed to just saying a lot of what we have signed/didn’t sell of probably aren’t good enough compared to what we had before. Absolutely clueless.

I mean there was far fetched “thinking too hard” posts talking about Reece and his bone structure last week related to muscle injuries. Now its young players getting injured due to having a lack of muscle mass this week. So what will it be next week? We are getting so many injuries because of a rare toenail fungus? Did one of the lads get bitten by a radioactive spider? Is it because people think the earth is flat?

 

And yes this post probably is a bit long and slightly off topic. Perhaps should even be in the Boehly topic. But fuck it.

Edited January 7, 2024 by OneMoSalah

[robsblubot 3,595]

That's called a rant 👆 It's hard to discuss because there are 20 different points there some of which similar to what was also criticized.

No straws. It matches my understanding of how physique in players play a part; that a player without enough muscle to sustain their movements is more likely to put his joint (knee/ankle) under stress: unnatural movement and whatnot. Muscle injuries, like James are far more complicated, but he's no youngster and pretty powerful athlete on his own right.

I honestly thought the physique point was fairly obvious eh. We will come to the conclusion players bulk up for no reason in the PL. That when a player built like a tank goes at one with the physique of a 17yo it's fair game; that the frail player is no more likely to get hurt than the tanky player... For science! 😆

Edited January 7, 2024 by robsblubot

[NikkiCFC 8,300]

But this doesn't happen only here. People said Wemby has too fragile body for NBA, he is doing fine so far. And opposite example is Zion who is constantly injured because he is too heavy. So what is the truth, who knows 🤷‍♂️ 

[NikkiCFC 8,300]

14 hours ago, Mário César said:

 dont hurt me no more,