Chelsea Transfers

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37 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

Podcast in Portuguese by Brazilian journalists about Chelsea (since Abramovich times) as well as the new wall street-like approach (which is what they call it).

What's interesting is how much they talk about the stuff we've discussed here: 1. if players become stars would they have to leave to get top wages? 2. what if players lose the ambition due to the long contracts 3. motivate players with large squads (that group thing already addressed by Maresca to a degree) 4. young squad and missing experienced players--that some of the players who won the CL are still young and could still be at the club

The one thing they touch and that I don't think we've addressed is the differences in competitiveness between American sports and international football. If you ever watch both sports live (I have multiple times), it's really difficult to compare. I'd describe American sports on the stands as a party, while international football has a much more serious tone. I've been told college American Football would be closer to Int Football, but even if you have more passion on display (than NFL), it's still a party IMO.
Baseball takes it to a different level as it feels more like a family and friends reunion on the stands.

So, they question how the points listed above would affect, or not, our ability to build a strong and resilient team capable of facing highly competitive opposition, which is what we find in the PL. I am really curious about that myself.

 

American sports is all about entertainment. You can go to a team this is terrible, but if they have an entertaining stadium, people will line up and buy tickets. I think that is why banter is so much more brutal in club football. 

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2 hours ago, robsblubot said:

Don't think we can play with a DMF *and* Caicedo (ball-winning mid). That'd be too defensive unless the DMF is also a maestro. Aren't we covered there esp when Lavia eventually becomes available?

 'maestro' type

4 of the 5 non youths are that

especially the first 2 

and Wharton could develop into that as well

I listed no 'destroyers'

DMF is not a sceaming need for us, unlike GK, CF, and CB

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9 minutes ago, Vesper said:

 'maestro' type

4 of the 5 non youths are that

especially the first 2 

and Wharton could develop into that as well

I listed no 'destroyers'

DMF is not a sceaming need for us, unlike GK, CF, and CB

I'd say nothing short of Rodri: a player who distribute and control tempo.

I like Bruno, but he's not that player; he's a competent b2b, but he's not skillful enough to control tempo. 

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CMF

Another really short list

I highly doubt any of the big 6 (aka biggest non Real Madrid names) would come here at all, or even move anywhere

Nicolò Barella
Gavi   
Pedri  
Frenkie de Jong 
Vitinha  
Warren Zaïre-Emery

whichs leaves only a handful of actually available ones I rate

Éderson
Fermín López    (hard AF pull as well)
Pablo Barrios 
Quinten Timber  
Javi Guerra   
 

   

most of the really good young HG CMF were snapped up this window or last summer

Adam Wharton (DMF/CMF combo)
Lewis Miley
Matt O'Riley 
Alex Scott
Archie Gray  

plus the best young Swedish CMF

Lucas Bergvall   

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Winger/AMF

I do not want to hear about any, unless we are deffo selling off some

and then the ONLY names I will discuss (non youth)

all are right footed or ambipedal, NO MORE LEFT-FOOTED wingers and AMFs!!!!!

here is every one (very small list) (pass on Nico Williams and his insane salary demands, pass on Gordon, Johan Bakayoko is a lefty, Eberechi Eze will be 27 next summer, so a no go for BlueCo)

every one is insanely expensive (£100m plus, likely, except for Simons, although IF Musiala refuses to renew, Bayern will have to sell), I doubt we even bother  

Florian Wirtz  
Jamal Musiala   
Rafael Leão  
Khvicha Kvaratskhelia
Xavi Simons 

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1 hour ago, robsblubot said:

I'd say nothing short of Rodri: a player who distribute and control tempo.

I like Bruno, but he's not that player; he's a competent b2b, but he's not skillful enough to control tempo. 

Martín Zubimendi is Rodri-lite

a super super player

so glad Arse did not get him

I would take him over Enzo in a heartbeat

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so

to sum it all up

and assuming we do not have to ditch Reece (if we do I want Michael Kayode or Wilfried Singo)

then

here would be my ideal buys:

GK Diogo Costa

LCB Murillo or Piero Hincapié 

RCB Tomás Araújo or Cristhian Mosquera

LB Miguel Gutiérrez or Patrick Dorgu (as Nuno Mendes very likely is not doable) Double red as Real Madrid may excercise their buy-back option on Miguel Gutierrez

CF Jhon Durán

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Chelsea forward posts goodbye message as Liverpool transfer confirmed

Liverpool have signed 16-year-old Chelsea forward Rio Ngumoha to bolster their youth ranks

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/Chelsea-forward-posts-goodbye-message-29870613

The Premier League has finally approved Liverpool's signing of Rio Ngumoha from Chelsea. The 16-year-old will join the Reds' under-18s for the 2024-25 season.

Liverpool's scouts had tracked the England youth international for some time and in July, began the process of bringing the forward to Anfield. On Thursday, he took to Instagram to officially confirm his departure from Chelsea: "Thank you for everything Chelsea Academy," wrote Ngumoha, who trained with the club's first team earlier this year, before later uploading photos of his scholarship signing at Anfield.

As he rejected Chelsea's scholarship offer, the Londoners will be entitled to a compensation fee from Liverpool. It's expected Ngumoha will be blooded into the under-18s setup with Marc Bridge-Wilkinson for the coming campaign before being assessed for a potential call-up to the U21s and Liverpool are delighted at managing to bring the 16-year-old to their thriving Kirkby base.

Club scouts have been hugely impressed with the skilful winger during checks and after listening to the enticing pitch laid out by Liverpool, Ngumoha has now moved to Merseyside. It's believed Chelsea are furious with how Ngumoha has been allowed to leave for what will be a nominal fee, although suggestions Liverpool have broken their wage structure to land the winger have been rubbished.

It's understood Ngumoha's arrival is in-keeping with existing policies that are strictly set out by long-serving Academy director Alex Inglethorpe and the youngster will be on a scholarship wage at Kirkby. The club's recent track of blooding players from their academy ranks into the first-team is understood to have been key to the decision over the move with the 2024 Carabao Cup final cited as the perfect example of the two contrasting strategies at both clubs.

Liverpool won the game at Wembley 1-0 thanks to Virgil van Dijk's extra-time header but finished the match with James McConnell, Bobby Clark and Jayden Danns all on the pitch and they were also able to name Caoimhin Kelleher, Jarell Quansah, Conor Bradley and Harvey Elliott in the team on the day, four players who all sharpened their skills in the youth ranks at Anfield.

Liverpool have been keen to pursue the best young talents across the country since the introduction of laws that came off the back of the United Kingdom's departure from the European Union at the end of 2020, which made signings from the continent more difficult.

Edited September 4, 2024 by Vesper

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

It's fair to say that the way Chelsea seem to be both doing business as well as treating some of their squad would give very few youngsters the feeling of commitment towards development and future prospects. Cant blame young Rio. Why would anyone young want to stay with that kind of senior management running the show.

Well done JT sending him best wishes for the future

[Special Juan 28,146]

Need to rename the transfer window for us alone, should be called a fucking good stab in the dark

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44 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Why would anyone young want to stay with that kind of senior management running the show.

That makes no sense, the youngsters have a pathway as they would be competing against foreign youngsters of a similar age, not experienced 25-28 year old players. 

Knowing Liverpool he'll go there and in 2-3 years he'll be sold to Bournemouth or some other half decent side for like 20 million just like they did with Solanke and a few others over the years. 

[milka 3,393]

Data, AI Scouting tells us we buy a mid and hope that mid will became in some top level player and if they don't we can force them out to other mid clubs, that's not ambition. You need a mix of proven players, some elite youngsters to help them progress, nah we are not doing that, it makes sense that the club has no DNA from the past, these American clowns gutted everything Cobham, Tuchel, Emma Hayes, the whole CL winning team and now everyone propin this mediocrity like Enzo Mascara  tells us not winning is something normal no it's not this is not leicester top 4 this  season is must everything else is unacceptable after 3 years of madness for nothing.

[DDA 9,943]

All I know, is that we are shit. End of.

[Special Juan 28,146]

3 minutes ago, DDA said:

All I know, is that we are shit. End of.

We aren't that good

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1 minute ago, DDA said:

All I know, is that we are shit. End of.

finish cleaning out the deadwood

buy these 5

 

 

and we are well on a way to big things, really big things, IMHO

it just takes time as we will have a very very young team

but with Estêvão and Kendry coming in, plus those buys listed above shoring up our defence (along with some we now have out on loan), we will have a massive base to build off of and become a huge threat to any team on the planet

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Enzo Maresca makes 'fresh decision' over two Chelsea outcasts amid lack of transfer offers

https://www.londonworld.com/sport/football/Chelsea/enzo-maresca-makes-fresh-decision-over-two-Chelsea-outcasts-amid-lack-of-transfer-offers-4770048

Enzo Maresca has reportedly softened his stance over two Chelsea players who are likely to struggle for game time.

Chelsea boss Enzo Maresca is said to have changed his mind over two players, at least for now. The Blues boss has taken a ruthless approach to squad management after taking over in the summer having been handed an extremely bloated squad.

Maresca has defended himself over criticism of his ruthlessness, maintaining that such decisions have been necessary to established a focused main group. He might be right, too, with the Italian having seen Graham Potter struggle with issues arising from having such a big squad in recent times.

A number of senior stars were told the could leave by Maresca ahead of last Friday’s deadline, and Raheem Sterling seemed to be the most controversial case. Sterling has since left to join Arsenal on a loan deal for the rest of the season.

A number of other fringe players also left, including Kepa Arrizabalaga, Romelu Lukaku and many more. Two transfer listed players who did not leave are Carney Chukwuemeka and Cesare Casadei. Chukwuemeka was signed for £20million back in 2022, while Casadei was signed for £12.6 million plus add-ons in the same year.

Neither appear to have made the cut, but neither managed to secure moves ahead of last week’s deadline. While Chelsea could still potentially offload the players to either Greece or Türkiye, with those countries’ windows remaining open, The Athletic now report that both players have been removed from the so-called ‘bomb squad’ that was training separately from the first team and welcomed back to team training.

The report claims both players will be considered along with their first team teammates from here on out, at least until the January transfer window opens. With Chukwuemeka and Casadei unlikely to feature, they will both likely be looking forward to January already, but they will at least get their chance to impress Maresca.

Maresca’s tough stance

Maresca has recently said of his so-called bomb squad: “The only thing I can say is the ones who are going to get minutes are the ones who I think can help us. It’s not just Raheem [Sterling]. It’s all the players who are training apart. The moment the transfer window closes, they are not going to get minutes.”

Since then, the majority of the bomb squad members have departed with the exception of Chukwuemeka and Casadei, who have rejoined the main squad, and David Dator Fofana, who the club will look to offload before the closure of the Greek and Turkish windows. Maresca will have to name his 25-man Premier League squad next week.

[lluubbeenn 174]

We somehow won the CL in 2021, but this is our best team to watch since prime Hazard days. We lack experience and control in games. Most of our players can learn it. We have good and exciting squad. What is the matter with you? What is all that negativity? KTBFFH!

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Fofana, Lavia and Palmer out of ECL squad. Casadei and Chukwuemeka in. Interesting! 

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1 hour ago, lluubbeenn said:

Fofana, Lavia and Palmer out of ECL squad. Casadei and Chukwuemeka in. Interesting! 

Injury management I guess. Bad pitches, low quality opposition, tournament that is just to give some minutes to squad players. Logical. Is Nkunku in the squad? Probably a little damning about where he's viewed in the pecking order if so...those 3 are obviously being protected as they are viewed as important for EPL.

Poch would have had them starting every game and doing the Gacon test daily in prep.

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53 minutes ago, Mhsc said:

Injury management I guess. Bad pitches, low quality opposition, tournament that is just to give some minutes to squad players. Logical. Is Nkunku in the squad? Probably a little damning about where he's viewed in the pecking order if so...those 3 are obviously being protected as they are viewed as important for EPL.

Poch would have had them starting every game and doing the Gacon test daily in prep.

As I mentioned is another thread, MF is a position where we are currently stacked. James' selection has to be out of necessity rather than anything else.

Edited September 5, 2024 by LAM09