Chelsea Transfers

[Vesper 30,185]

2 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

The reason was Bayern decided to focus on signing Sane rather than Werner. This action pissed Werner since Bayern broke their initial promise to prioritize him this summer, and because of that he finally signed an extension.

Bayern are all over the place winger-wise, linked with Sane, Mane, CHO, Sancho, Dembele, Coutinho (have him on loan, not sure if they buy perm, probably not)  lololol

It isnt like they are THAT weak at there

but they are overloaded on the LW

with all but Gnabry being LWers (Coutinho, Coman, Perisic, Alphonso Davies, who actually will be their LB replacement for Alaba I think, long term, and is left-footed, so no clue why they do not use him as an inverted RWer at times) and even Gnabry is really a LW (and is playing there even now on occasion)

Sancho and Dembele make the most sense, as they can play either wing, but Sancho is out of their price structure, and Dembele is as well unless Barca give a STEEP discount (which they might due to his issues, BUT Bayern do NOT buy 'issue' players)

all in all, I cant be arsed, I am still really pissed with Bayern over CHO, although I am sticking with them and especially PSG as my 2 darkhorse CL favourites this year (with us as my 100 to 1 longshot)

 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Bayern are all over the place winger-wise, linked with Sane, Mane, CHO, Sancho, Dembele, Coutinho (have him on loan, not sure if they buy perm, probably not)  lololol

It isnt like they are THAT weak at there

but they are overloaded on the LW

with all but Gnabry being LWers (Coutinho, Coman, Perisic, Alphonso Davies, who actually will be their LB replacement for Alaba I think, long term, and is left-footed, so no clue why they do not use him as an inverted RWer at times) and even Gnabry is really a LW (and is playing there even now on occasion)

Sancho and Dembele make the most sense, as they can play either wing, but Sancho is out of their price structure, and Dembele is as well unless Barca give a STEEP discount (which they might due to his issues, BUT Bayern do NOT buy 'issue' players)

all in all, I cant be arsed, I am still really pissed with Bayern over CHO, although I am sticking with them and especially PSG as my 2 darkhorse CL favourites this year (with us as my 100 to 1 longshot)

 

Dembele and Sane were their main targets but since both of them weren't available, in the end they brought Perisic and Coutinho. 

[Vesper 30,185]

5 hours ago, communicate said:

I think it all depends whether he want to be bench player for pool. 

do not forget, Werner can also play either wing (or in a two striker setup), so that is a lot of rotational minutes

he, unfortunately, would be a fucking massive weapon under Klopp

IF I were a bindipper, (right before shooting myself in the mouth) I would pee my panties if Victimpool signed Werner and a WC AMF (a left footed one who can also play RW would be perfect as clearly Klopp has given up on Xherdan Shaqiri) plus a decent backup LB, plus maybe a swap-out on at CB. Lovren is dogshit IMHO (if he were on Chels he would be a whipping boy target for me, like Alonso is) and if, like now, Matip is injured and TA-A needs a rest (so no Gomez at CB), they are so much weaker

let's all hope NONE of that occurs (some will, surely)

[11Drogba 2,000]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

do not forget, Werner can also play either wing (or in a two striker setup), so that is a lot of rotational minutes

he, unfortunately, would be a fucking massive weapon under Klopp

IF I were a bindipper, (right before shooting myself in the mouth) I would pee my panties if Victimpool signed Werner and a WC AMF (a left footed one who can also play RW would be perfect as clearly Klopp has given up on Xherdan Shaqiri) plus a decent backup LB, plus maybe a swap-out on at CB. Lovren is dogshit IMHO (if he were on Chels he would be a whipping boy target for me, like Alonso is) and if, like now, Matip is injured and TA-A needs a rest (so no Gomez at CB), they are so much weaker

let's all hope NONE of that occurs (some will, surely)

Do you rate this player Vesper, for right wing?

 

[1905didierblue 748]

Every outlet is giving the same set of names as lamps' targets - Sancho/zaha, ake, Chilwell, dembele.

If lamps wants it, I am all in for it. Whatever he needs. I can see us having the following window in the summer-

Ins:

Sancho - 100mil

Chilwell - 70mil

Ake - 40mil

Dembele - 50mil

Total ins ~ 260mil

Outs:

Morata - 50mil

Rudiger - 40mil

Barkley - 30mil

Bakayoko - 25mil

Alonso - 25mil

Michy - 30mil

Giroud - free

Pedro - free

Willian - free

Drinkwater - free

Moses - 5mil

Kennedy - 5mil

Juan castillo - 10mil

Baker - 5mil

Miazga - 5mil

Baba Rahman - 5mil

Zappacosta - 5mil

Musonda, pantic, Blackman, Izzy - 5mil

Pasalic - 10mil

Total outs ~ 255mil

 

Squad:

Gk - kepa, willy 

Rb - Reece (HG), azpi

CB - ake (HG) , zouma, tomori (HG) Andreas (HG)

Lb - Emerson, Chilwell (HG)

CM - jorginho, Kante, kovacic, gilmour (HG), mount (HG), RlC (HG)

Wingers - CHO (HG), pulisic, Sancho (HG), anjorin (HG)

ST - Tammy (HG), dembele, ugbo (HG)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Nicco 927]

12 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

Every outlet is giving the same set of names as lamps' targets - Sancho/zaha, ake, Chilwell, dembele.

If lamps wants it, I am all in for it. Whatever he needs. I can see us having the following window in the summer-

Ins:

Sancho - 100mil

Chilwell - 70mil

Ake - 40mil

Dembele - 50mil

Total ins ~ 260mil

Outs:

Morata - 50mil

Rudiger - 40mil

Barkley - 30mil

Bakayoko - 25mil

Alonso - 25mil

Michy - 30mil

Giroud - free

Pedro - free

Willian - free

Drinkwater - free

Moses - 5mil

Kennedy - 5mil

Juan castillo - 10mil

Baker - 5mil

Miazga - 5mil

Baba Rahman - 5mil

Zappacosta - 5mil

Musonda, pantic, Blackman, Izzy - 5mil

Pasalic - 10mil

Miazga - 5mil

Total outs ~ 260mil

 

Squad:

Gk - kepa, willy 

Rb - Reece (HG), azpi

CB - ake (HG) , zouma, tomori (HG) Andreas (HG)

Lb - Emerson, Chilwell (HG)

CM - jorginho, Kante, kovacic, gilmour (HG), mount (HG), RlC (HG)

Wingers - CHO (HG), pulisic, Sancho (HG), anjorin (HG)

ST - Tammy (HG), dembele, ugbo (HG)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Change Demble with Werner or Lautaro. Replace Rudiger with Zouma and put Diaz instead of Ake, rest looking good.

[Vesper 30,185]

49 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

Do you rate this player Vesper, for right wing?

 

A bit, he is Dynamo Kyiv's best player by far, I am not sure the step up in class to a league like the EPL will work out. Would like to see a lower table EPL team buy him and let us then evaluate. I do not get an innate star vibe off him atm.

He blew a pen last night against FC Copenhagen in Denmark that cost them the win (they drew 1 1 )

[1905didierblue 748]

1 hour ago, Nicco said:

Change Demble with Werner or Lautaro. Replace Rudiger with Zouma and put Diaz instead of Ake, rest looking good.

Why would we sell our best cb of this season? As well as most improved. 

I would prefer Werner too. But if Chelsea or pool come knocking, he will choose pool for sure. 

Also, this list is based on what the outlets are saying that lamps wants. Given how well he has performed what was given to him, he desrves to get what he wants. Simple as that.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,075]

20 hours ago, Tomo said:

As for LB on paper Telles would be a class signing but there must be a reason he's coming up 27 and his only shot at a major league was a loan to Inter.

I'm always persuaded by this type of observation. It speaks loudly.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,075]

2 hours ago, 1905didierblue said:

Every outlet is giving the same set of names as lamps' targets - Sancho/zaha, ake, Chilwell, dembele.

If lamps wants it, I am all in for it. Whatever he needs. I can see us having the following window in the summer-

Ins:

Sancho - 100mil

Chilwell - 70mil

Ake - 40mil

Dembele - 50mil

Total ins ~ 260mil

Outs:

Morata - 50mil

Rudiger - 40mil

Barkley - 30mil

Bakayoko - 25mil

Alonso - 25mil

Michy - 30mil

Giroud - free

Pedro - free

Willian - free

Drinkwater - free

Moses - 5mil

Kennedy - 5mil

Juan castillo - 10mil

Baker - 5mil

Miazga - 5mil

Baba Rahman - 5mil

Zappacosta - 5mil

Musonda, pantic, Blackman, Izzy - 5mil

Pasalic - 10mil

Miazga - 5mil

Total outs ~ 260mil

 

Squad:

Gk - kepa, willy 

Rb - Reece (HG), azpi

CB - ake (HG) , zouma, tomori (HG) Andreas (HG)

Lb - Emerson, Chilwell (HG)

CM - jorginho, Kante, kovacic, gilmour (HG), mount (HG), RlC (HG)

Wingers - CHO (HG), pulisic, Sancho (HG), anjorin (HG)

ST - Tammy (HG), dembele, ugbo (HG)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Matt Miazga, so good they sold him twice!

[Vesper 30,185]

4 hours ago, 1905didierblue said:

Every outlet is giving the same set of names as lamps' targets - Sancho/zaha, ake, Chilwell, dembele.

If lamps wants it, I am all in for it. Whatever he needs. I can see us having the following window in the summer-

Ins:

Sancho - 100mil

Chilwell - 70mil

Ake - 40mil

Dembele - 50mil

Total ins ~ 260mil

Outs:

Rudiger - 40mil

 

Rudiger out??? and for only £40m??????

you want to get rid of our best (and, when healthy, our only remotely top class ATM, Tomori may get there someday) CB??????

MADNESS

on edit, I listed the wrong Dembele, my apologies

[killer1257 3,282]

Rudiger out??? and for only £40m??????
you want to get rid of our best (and, when healthy, our only remotely top class ATM, Tomori may get there someday) CB??????
MADNESS
on edit, I listed the wrong Dembele, my apologises

I just looked at some defensive stats to compare Rüdiger and Tomori and looking into the stats, Tomori looks better. Better tackler and more interceptions.

They both lack in concentration though. Rüdiger needs to get fit first and then we can see how good he is. Right now, he will struggle against Zouma.

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[Vesper 30,185]

Just now, killer1257 said:

I just looked at some defensive stats to compare Rüdiger and Tomori and looking into the stats, Tomori looks better. Better tackler and more interceptions.

They both lack in concentration though. Rüdiger needs to get fit first and then we can see how good he is. Right now, he will struggle against Zouma.

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Zouma is horrid on the ball and passing

'every press against our back is an adventure

if he is the limit of our ambition at CB we are well and truly fucked

will not budge on this

our defensive record this year speaks volumes

one flash bursting (and pointless) run ending in a wild shot does zero to change anything

[1905didierblue 748]

22 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Rudiger out??? and for only £40m??????

you want to get rid of our best (and, when healthy, our only remotely top class ATM, Tomori may get there someday) CB??????

MADNESS

on edit, I listed the wrong Dembele, my apologises

If it was up to me, I would keep the same four as this season. But if ake is bought him, (which would be a brilliant buy as it would give us a top CB, good LB and a cover for DM), I would sell an injury prone Rudi instead of an ever improving zouma, a potentially top Andreas.

Like you said "when healthy". 

As for 40mil, it's because of the injury history. https://www.transfermarkt.com/antonio-rudiger/verletzungen/spieler/86202

This is not something to be ignored despite of his qualities.

[NikkiCFC 8,324]

29 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Rudiger out??? and for only £40m??????

you want to get rid of our best (and, when healthy, our only remotely top class ATM, Tomori may get there someday) CB??????

MADNESS

on edit, I listed the wrong Dembele, my apologises

Also my reaction when I saw the post. Rudi is by far our best CB and worth 60-70m easily. 15 teams in the PL conceded less goals than us and people are acting like Zouma and Tomori are having great season. I agree Tomori can become great in the future. 

[1905didierblue 748]

11 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Zouma is horrid on the ball and passing

'every press against our back is an adventure

if he is the limit of our ambition at CB we are well and truly fucked

will not budge on this

our defensive record this year speaks volumes

one flash bursting (and pointless) run ending in a wild shot does zero to change anything

Lol

For every time zouma is got caught on the ball (which off the top of my head, have not been many since the United game), I can give you 3/4 of tomori's. Zouma's on the ball play has improved exponentially this season. Even his passing range with those change of plays to the left flank. 

Our defensive record this season has nothing to do with just zouma. Its been a system issue with set piece through out the season. How many goals have we conceded from open play bar the United opener? These are teething issues which will get better with time.

[Jase 43,479]

5 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

If it was up to me, I would keep the same four as this season. But if ake is bought him, (which would be a brilliant buy as it would give us a top CB, good LB and a cover for DM), I would sell an injury prone Rudi instead of an ever improving zouma, a potentially top Andreas.

Like you said "when healthy". 

As for 40mil, it's because of the injury history. https://www.transfermarkt.com/antonio-rudiger/verletzungen/spieler/86202

This is not something to be ignored despite of his qualities.

TBF to Rudiger, right up until last season, his injury record has been clean with us. Had no serious injuries for 2 years, excluding the 1 day muscular problem listed on that Transfermarkt site. Just so happened he picked up a knee injury and then Sarri stupidly rushed him back - which aggravated the problem - plus of course, he suddenly got this groin injury. He's already recovered from the knee injury and assuming the groin operation has cleared his problem, then we've got a healthy defender in the squad. Moreover, he's only 26 and is entering his peak. Unless more problems occur (hopefully not!), it would be silly to sell him.

[Vesper 30,185]

I am NOT going to be gaslit on Rudiger v Zouma, and on Zouma overall vesus other options/upgrades

I draw the line on this

same as I drew on Alonso (most agree with me now on that)

I have more than made my peace with Willian, as evidenced by my lack of blasting on him for ages, I think he has stepped up and bit good, (and lost his bad attitude from all that I can see) and it is a shame he is ageing, as he is a very unique player in the right system (huge motor on defence IMHO, and creates major pressing issues for teams) and I see why Barca wanted him (was just puzzled on the fee for a soon to 30yo player at the time, and one who was coming off a bad season, regardless of the cause)

Zouma is a great bloke personally, and IF we could not get a shit tonne of money (we can, for sure Everton will cough up around £40m) for him, I would not lose my mind with him as a backup CB for very specific games, but he is NOT an everyday CB for team that is trying to win trophies such as the EPL and the CL

IF we can sell AC for around the same AND we bring in a superb ball playing CB, then fine, there you go for Zouma as my back-up for specific games role, I have zero issues with that

but when we can go out and grab a younger, bigger, faster, more skilled, better passing CB in Konate, I see zero reasons to not go that route

Leipzig's defence and Konate in general were superb (best in the Bundesliga, despite a lot of injuries) last year, and he was only bloody 19

he is a freak of nature, and those types simple are not in great abundance and he has been (he is out with a slight knock atm) a starter now for 2 and  half years

 

 

[1905didierblue 748]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

TBF to Rudiger, right up until last season, his injury record has been clean with us. Had no serious injuries for 2 years, excluding the 1 day muscular problem listed on that Transfermarkt site. Just so happened he picked up a knee injury and then Sarri stupidly rushed him back - which aggravated the problem - plus of course, he suddenly got this groin injury. He's already recovered from the knee injury and assuming the groin operation has cleared his problem, then we've got a healthy defender in the squad. Moreover, he's only 26 and is entering his peak. Unless more problems occur (hopefully not!), it would be silly to sell him.

Like I said, I would keep the same 4. But given the options of the rest 3, I would personally sell him above the rest given his injury record. No where have I doubted his quality. But he has already had a knee and groin surgery. And given how these things take a toll, it would be a hard choice for me.

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, 1905didierblue said:

Like I said, I would keep the same 4. But given the options of the rest 3, I would personally sell him above the rest given his injury record. No where have I doubted his quality. But he has already had a knee and groin surgery. And given how these things take a toll, it would be a hard choice for me.

Best to pass judgment until we see how he does back on the field.