Chelsea Transfers

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28 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

You never know.

Would Salah be the Salah we know, if he stayed here? Easy revisionism to say yes, but I doubt football works this way. If they'd hit the right situation in the right time, yeah, sure, otherwise they could be the stories we've seen plenty in last decade.

I'm not going to dig out my post from 10 years ago again, but Salah had very much World Class written all over; he never dropped a level and was already WC material at Roma, which evidently made Liverpool go all in for him. Our handling of Salah (and KDB) was criminal, IMO.

I honestly believe they just have different ceilings as players, and esp, some characteristics make them more or less effective in the PL, as well as more or less effective at a big club (less counter-attacking for ex).

There are tons or variables, which makes these assessments difficult, but I ultimately believe Tammy prob reached his ceiling as a player, and there's nothing wrong with that; he's good striker ... never going to be elite tho. Ampadou I never rated, so not sure.

Edited September 28, 2023 by robsblubot

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10 minutes ago, Vesper said:

no

it is a ridiculous devaluation of them as players

Tchou would magically turn into Ampadu and Osimhen into Tammy just because they came to Chels??

come on

The current ones or before they've got their big moves ones?

Current ones would probably be great to have, but I wouldn't bet my head on it. The only truly high(ish) profile players we've got recently I remember was Lukaku (duh) and KK, who I believed will be absolute goat here. No go.

Would Lille Osimhen and Monaco Tchou realize their potential here, like they did in Napoli and Real? I don't remember when such thing happened with us tbh. Werner and Havertz were the next big hot thing, wanted by many clubs at the time and it ended like always. In very recent history the only truly booming players here I can remember are, excluding academy, Kante, Hazard, Mendy and for a short while Rudi, when blessed with Tuchel touch. Statistically we are not great for realizing potential, but if I'm wrong it's a good news, as we've bought 623 players being nothing but potential and some of them even show some actual footballing skill, so maybe we will get a few players, similar to current Tchou and Oshimen from them. Hopefully Hazard wasn't the shot of our scouting department lives and there is more to come.

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So who are some other proven striker targets we could move for in January? I see Arse are apparently going to go hard after Toney and it’s highly unlikely he’d choose us in our current state ahead of a team near the top of the table and in the UCL.

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18 minutes ago, Pizy said:

So who are some other proven striker targets we could move for in January? I see Arse are apparently going to go hard after Toney and it’s highly unlikely he’d choose us in our current state ahead of a team near the top of the table and in the UCL.

Tbh I know that's not what heart calls for, but I doubt we are going for anyone.

Who is leaving if we do? Broja for some spare change? Or Jackson/Nkuku after 6 months? We are not paying through the roof and hand out long contracts to flip those players like crazy, esp. when we are not increasing their value but rather opposite. Honorable mention the Washington guy also is somewhere around.
And just a reminder Lukaku is still our player. I'd like to have Osimhen somehow, but it's not like De Laurentis is giving us his superstar for 35 million because the fella is offended.
And we are not paying 120 million while not even having a shirt sponsor.
And having 5-6 players for a single spot is reportedly one of the key reasons of our post-takeover misery.

Toney, I don't care, as a Chelsea fan I'm not really into having players banned for betting here.

Edited September 28, 2023 by Vegetable

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18 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

The current ones or before they've got their big moves ones?

Current ones would probably be great to have, but I wouldn't bet my head on it. The only truly high(ish) profile players we've got recently I remember was Lukaku (duh) and KK, who I believed will be absolute goat here. No go.

Would Lille Osimhen and Monaco Tchou realize their potential here, like they did in Napoli and Real? I don't remember when such thing happened with us tbh. Werner and Havertz were the next big hot thing, wanted by many clubs at the time and it ended like always. In very recent history the only truly booming players here I can remember are, excluding academy, Kante, Hazard, Mendy and for a short while Rudi, when blessed with Tuchel touch. Statistically we are not great for realizing potential, but if I'm wrong it's a good news, as we've bought 623 players being nothing but potential and some of them even show some actual footballing skill, so maybe we will get a few players, similar to current Tchou and Oshimen from them. Hopefully Hazard wasn't the shot of our scouting department lives and there is more to come.

I 100% stand by my original statements

following your logic basically no players would work out here

you are advocating (perhaps unknowingly) for only buying players at prime Messi, CR7, Mbappe, Håland, Benz, Lewa level

good luck with that

 

also

I was a huge KK fangirl for years, but he came off my lists 2 years ago, as he was ageing out then

Lukaku is a cunt, never wanted him

Mendy was a one year wonder and was always shit at pens

I wanted Oblak for YEARS

we were FOOLS to loan Cuntois to AM for three straight years, thus enabling to set down Madrid roots

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Nuno Mendes likely out until next spring, is going to have surgery in Finland on his massively damaged hamstring

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34 minutes ago, Pizy said:

So who are some other proven striker targets we could move for in January? I see Arse are apparently going to go hard after Toney and it’s highly unlikely he’d choose us in our current state ahead of a team near the top of the table and in the UCL.

list of CFs who are even remotely available (some maybe not for us though, they may not come to our hot mess atm)

did not include Latauro, as Inter would want insane money to let him go, he is not worth that amount, and I doubt he would come here anyway

some are huge dice rolls

many will not want to come here I wager

Victor Osimhen   
Dušan Vlahović  
Jonathan David  
Ivan Toney  
Evan Ferguson  
Ollie Watkins
Santiago Gimenez
Benjamin Šeško
Youssoufa Moukoko 
Taiwo Awoniyi  
Patrik Schick 
Evanilson   
Gift Orban  
Mathys Tel   
Elye Wahi 
Amine Gouiri   
Boulaye Dia
Hugo Ekitiké  
Terem Moffi   
Adam Hlozek 
Marcos Leonardo
Gaëtan Laborde 
Karim Konaté
Serhou Guirassy 
Viktor Gyökeres
Jhon Córdoba  
Kauã Elias  (youth)

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21 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I 100% stand by my original statements

following your logic basically no players would work out here

you are advocating (perhaps unknowingly) for only buying players at prime Messi, CR7, Mbappe, Håland, Benz, Lewa level

good luck with that

This is 100% theoretical discussion as since it never happened, so there is no objective truth, only what if. 
I still feel it's unclear wether we are talking about those players here and now or getting them when they were raw talent btw.

I do not believe attempting the same thing 9374274th time, but with different players, and expecting different result, nor do I advocate for CR7. I'm actually advocating for the opposite - building the team that supplements itself and is greater, than sum of it's elements, so something most sane clubs would try to do and what football director exists for, rather than trying to assemble a mixed bag of individual talent. City pre-Haland was pretty much following this "low-key" route, contrary to PSG. City's busts percentage and ours are different ends of spectrum I guess.

Our CL-winning team did not contain a singe truly spectacular, wc-class player, but Tuchel somehow made it work, with some blind luck included. Sarri's team was Hazard's one man show, but otherwise also just a decent team. Does anyone currently even think about how our player's individual traits interact with each other, I'm not sure. Eg. we were supposed to be fire after getting Enzo, turned out he lacks Caicedo, now we have both and still nada, so something clearly doesn't click here.

If things were that copy-paste easy, our fans favorite team of Sancho, Bakambu, Bailey, Werner, Zaha, Ndidi, Icardi, Wan-Bissaka, half of Lyon and that Israeli GK I can't even locate now would be raising it's 6th CL trophy by now 🤪

Edited September 28, 2023 by Vegetable

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6 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

our fans favorite team of Sancho, Bakambu, Bailey, Werner, Zaha, Ndidi, Icardi, Wan-Bissaka, half of Lyon and that Israeli GK I can't even locate now would be raising it's 6th CL trophy by now 

I  am not talking those fools

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out of the top 100 valued non already Chels players

these are ones we have actual, even remotely viable (and some are like 1 ot 2 % chance) shots at

(all positions)

Victor Osimhen 
Jamal Musiala  (extremely unlikely)
Rafael Leão 
Florian Wirtz  
Khvicha Kvaratskhelia
Aurélien Tchouaméni  
Frenkie de Jong 
Matthijs de Ligt 
Nicolò Barella 
Alphonso Davies
Dušan Vlahović   
Nuno Mendes  
Achraf Hakimi 
Antony
Jonathan David   
Raphinha
Theo Hernández   
Mikel Merino  
António Silva  
Amadou Onana  
Lucas Paquetá  
Jadon Sancho
Diogo Costa 
Gianluigi Donnarumma   
Mike Maignan 
 

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This Guirassy fella is on fire at the moment.... 10 goals in 5 games in Bundesliga.

 

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Patrick Dorgu

Liverpool transfer blow as wonderkid declares "dream" to play for Premier League rivals Chelsea

Lecce defender Patrick Dorgu has been extensively scouted by Liverpool this year but he the Denmark youth international has spoken of his "dream" to play for Chelsea

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-patrick-dorgu-lecce-31040193

 

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the poison dwarf's withered puckered starfish just clinched up a bit

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