Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, Tomo said: Enzo is worth every penny. I'd be beyond gutted if this doesn't happen and that's before factoring him potentially moving to a rival instead or us signing Declan Rice as the alternative. Enzo is a facilitator, he needs space and a good supporting cast for his impact to be palpable. Enzo for Argentina is great bc he has de Paul to free him off defensively and allows him to roam around and into space. And then he has Messi who moves into the space Enzo creates, receives the ball in dangerous positions and can pick the killer final ball. This is vital, bc while Enzo is somwehat capable executing these roles himself, de Paul and Messi are better at them respectively which allows Enzo to concentrate on his main strengths by pulling the strings in between the lines. We have neither a Messi nor a de Paul. for Benfica, Enzo is not quite as impressive albeit still decent simply because the Portugese league is a joke. Against the few strong oppositions they faced, mostly PSG, he looked ok but was clearly outshone by Verrati. this for me is not a 120m player, maybe he will become one but only if we find the right system and players alongside him. didi007 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 20 minutes ago, TheHulk said: How do you take this as us lowballing Benfica? It says the proposal was never those figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Superblue said: How do you take this as us lowballing Benfica? It says the proposal was never those figures. If the highest offer was 85M€ and Benfica's stance has always been "120M€ or fuck off" from the very start, how is the 85M€ offer not a lowball? Though I have to say I'm not sure if I buy this report from Romano. So far he's the only one on record saying the offer never went past 85M€ and literally everyone else both in Portugal as well as England have been talking about 120M-127M€ all along. The usually reliable ones like Ben Jacobs, Jacob Steinberg etc. have been consistently reporting the club are willing to pay higher than the 120M€ clause to get preferred payment structure, and just earlier today Matt Law returned from his holidays and said in an article the club had offered "more than £100M" for Enzo. If the offer never went higher than 85M€ surely the negotiations would have been cut very short and not continue for a couple of weeks? So maybe it's an official offer made very early into the process to kick start the negotiations after which there was at some point a rough verbal agreement over the 120-127M€ that was just never made into an official transfer bid because of final issues to be resolved first, which in the end proved more difficult than expected. Edited January 4, 2023 by Jype Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHulk 2,647 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Superblue said: How do you take this as us lowballing Benfica? It says the proposal was never those figures. Everyone credible reported otherwise, connect two and two and it's doesn't take a genius to know the owner promised Benfica and Enzo they would pay up the required money and the only official offer they got was 85. Dirty shameless tricks from the American. Edited January 4, 2023 by TheHulk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHulk 2,647 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 Update: Benfica's position was one of total intransigence: either the clause value was upfront or nothing. Chelsea backed off. For now, the deal really fell, and within the structure they already consider everything concluded and with a player to stay. Internally, the player has already begun to apologize for his attitude. Have fun convincing top player to join to here on, what a bunch of incompetent losers. Mhsc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mhsc 1,146 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 85m offer perfectly fair to my mind. They’ve come to meet us seriously to discuss and the player is pushing for it. They’re obviously negotiating to push it up. If it doesn’t happen fair enough. Not the clubs fault if some fucking “ITKs” published some bullshit that we were meeting the release clause mkh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, Jype said: If the highest offer from us was 85M€ and Benfica's stance has always been "120M€ or fuck off" from the very start, how is the 85M€ offer not a lowball? In fairness 85m euros is a huge amount of money whichever way you look at it. It's not a stretch that the club's enquiries have been enough to bring Benfica to the table initially, but there's too much distance between the two. I could see some negotiating and trying to get a few million off a deal or a lower fee and higher add-ons but I'd still be amazed if we've told Benfica we'd pay 127m and then only actually offered 85m. It's not just a case with damaging relations with Benfica in the future, but word will get around very quickly if that is how we're treating transfer negotiations and it will create multiple problems in the future. In the summer, Boehly was praised a lot from other clubs directors for how he conducted himself so for me it simply doesn't add up. Mhsc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 19,280 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 With the form we’re in, City game should be fun tomorrow. Losing out on a key target that the whole fan base had been convinced was coming and then getting smacked by City will make the mood around the club toxic. Costa19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,399 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 Costa19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,105 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 44 minutes ago, TheHulk said: WTF We are CLOWNS if we think that Benfica would accept only making £38.5m or so profit on Enzo (€85m minus River Plate's 25% cut from their sell-on clause, and also minus the €18m Benfica paid in fees and add-ons, and minus half a year's salary they paid) I am RAPIDLY becoming disenchanted with Boehly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,399 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 Yeah Boehly and Vivell looking like bellends. Stewart is next when his signing Badiashile is just Sarr reincarnated. Club is fucked. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,105 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: Badiashile is just Sarr reincarnated. that is a real stretch m8 bookmark this one of us will perhaps (if we actually buy him) have to eat our words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,399 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 The worst thing about all of this, is that Enzo WANTS the move. This isn’t like De Ligt, Dembele, or Raphinha where they were waiting for Bayern/Barcelona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHulk 2,647 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 Just now, MoroccanBlue said: The worst thing about all of this, is that Enzo WANTS the move. This isn’t like De Ligt, Dembele, or Raphinha where they were waiting for Bayern/Barcelona. Wanted you mean, after this embarrassment he probably thinks we're a laughing stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,399 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 United will get him with their Saudi owners 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costa19 858 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 Oh god im so ready for another year of Jorginho running around in the midfield looking like he has a parachute attached to him... 🤡 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,105 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 fucking CLOWNS try to short stroke Benfica for €35-€42m after saying the would pay €120-127m then tossing out only €85m on official offer YET had no problem dumping €72m (£62m) on fucking CuCu and €40m (£33.4 at the time) on the turgid KK (AND PAY HIM almost £300K (295) PW which works out to 70m fucking euros just in salary over the next 4 years!!!!!) idiots!!!! Blue Armour 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whats happening 1,666 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 this was probably 85 millions now, and with later payments which would be more than the 120m release clause...idk why is everyone calling out boehly for this. reasonable offer instead of the crazy straight up 120 million. Mhsc and Fernando 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Superblue said: In fairness 85m euros is a huge amount of money whichever way you look at it. It's not a stretch that the club's enquiries have been enough to bring Benfica to the table initially, but there's too much distance between the two. Sure 85M€ is definitely a lot of money but surely everyone knew that was never going to be enough to land Enzo Fernandez in a January transfer window so if the club weren't willing to go past that figure, why even bother in the first place? Now they went in with an offer well below the valuation of Benfica and after fucking around for a couple of weeks with no developments we're once again the laughing stock of the transfer market. I'd certainly not have had any issue if the club never went after Enzo in the first place and cited him as being too expensive but now that they did and were once again embarrassed in the market, this whole fiasco just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Edited January 4, 2023 by Jype Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,724 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, whats happening said: this was probably 85 millions now, and with later payments which would be more than the 120m release clause...idk why is everyone calling out boehly for this. reasonable offer instead of the crazy straight up 120 million. I think this is more the case. Let's see what happens, because 85 million upfront and the other in parts was a good as it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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