Chelsea Transfers

[Superblue 6,372]

7 minutes ago, Vesper said:

He was not good enough for the Bundesliga, so he fucked of to Liga NOS (Benfica)

he is too thin and weak for an EPL DMF

the hell if I want another Jorginho type here

I understand. We definitely need a player with a different skillset in midfield. A more defensive minded, physical presence.

If Jorginho was to leave, is he good enough to replace him?

[Alabama 1,992]

12 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I understand. We definitely need a player with a different skillset in midfield. A more defensive minded, physical presence.

If Jorginho was to leave, is he good enough to replace him?

NO..

I mean hell no...

[Blues Forever 1,232]

https://www.ruhrnachrichten.de/bvb/der-bvb-steht-vor-einem-schwierigen-transfersommer-alles-haengt-an-sancho-plus-1636504.html

Sancho will be much likelier to leave Dortmund after the Euros, rather than before, due to current uncertainties and the lack of time to get a transfer done. If someone pays the fee of not far below €100m, he can leave. Looks like the rumours about Dortmund willing to sell Sancho for €85m - €90m are true.

Edited May 24, 2021 by Blues Forever

[Vesper 29,144]

19 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I understand. We definitely need a player with a different skillset in midfield. A more defensive minded, physical presence.

If Jorginho was to leave, is he good enough to replace him?

that swap is chalk and cheese

they are too dissimilar to compare (other than both are physically weak)

I listed the DMFs I rate a little bit back on this thread

I will post CMF's in a bit

[Pizy 18,504]

I’d have Hazard back in a heartbeat without even thinking about it. Fit and happy he’s can become a beast again for a few years. Of course keeping him fit is the key there, but unlike last time he was here the weight of the world won’t be on only his shoulders. 
 

As for the striker issue, things are looking incredibly dire, huh? Sounds like we might have to take a massive punt in a lesser known or up and coming guy rather than an established star. Kane, Haaland, Lukaku, Aguero. All impossible by the sound of it. 

[Jase 43,479]

9 minutes ago, Pizy said:

I’d have Hazard back in a heartbeat without even thinking about it. Fit and happy he’s can become a beast again for a few years. Of course keeping him fit is the key there, but unlike last time he was here the weight of the world won’t be on only his shoulders. 

As @Superblue_1986 alluded to in another thread, the question is whether Hazard's decline is irreversible. If it's irreversible, then it's a waste of time and money to bring him back because he would just be a deadwood and on top of that, he is already 30 years old. How many years does he have left, if any, at the highest level in his current state? 

[Pizy 18,504]

54 minutes ago, Jas said:

As @Superblue_1986 alluded to in another thread, the question is whether Hazard's decline is irreversible. If it's irreversible, then it's a waste of time and money to bring him back because he would just be a deadwood and on top of that, he is already 30 years old. How many years does he have left, if any, at the highest level in his current state? 

I just don’t believe he could’ve declined so drastically in such a short time. For me it’s all about being in his comfort zone again. Maybe he just isn’t cut out for the absurd pressure of being in Madrid with a massive price to live up to.

Yeah he’s 30 but that’s not a huge issue for me. He’s not 35. Plenty of players in their mid 30’s still doing very well in this league and they aren’t near Eden’s level.

[Superblue 6,372]

1 minute ago, Pizy said:

I just don’t believe he could’ve declined so drastically in such a short time. For me it’s all about being in his comfort zone again. Maybe he just isn’t cut out for the absurd pressure of being in Madrid with a massive price to live up to.

Yeah he’s 30 but that’s not a huge issue for me. He’s not 35. Plenty of players in their mid 30’s still doing very well in this league and they aren’t near Eden’s level.

On the flip side though there are a number of examples of players who's careers are over by this point too. A perfect example would be Ronaldinho who played with the same carefree nature as Hazard has and was never the most driven of characters.

Hazard got by purely on natural fitness which will start to decline with age. He never had the desire to push that further or be strict with his diet etc and that would worry me over whether he is capable of playing at a high standard still well into his 30's as he's not made the best efforts to look after himself throughout his career.

[ulvhedin 508]

4 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Is Weigl in the mould of Jorginho? For me that's fine if Jorginho was looking to leave but we need an alternative in midfield that is stronger defensively.

My biggest worry with him is why did Dortmund let him go relatively cheap and with the greatest respect to them, why didn't a stronger team than benfica come in for him?

He had some injury problems, after which he simply sucked at Borussia, they tried him for a moment as CB, but he wasn't anything special either. 

[killer1257 3,282]

I do not mind loaning out Hazard for a year. We will see in the WC if he performs better, but from his recent La Liga performances that I watched, he looked okay. One huge difference between Chelsea's Hazard and Real Madrid Hazard is apart from his injuries that Hazard does not have much freedom at Madrid. At Chelsea, he had all the freedom he needed because he is maybe our greatest player ever. At Madrid, he is not their main star and he does not get all the freedom. Currently, Benzema is their main star, prior to that it was Penaldo. So, Hazard will never perform the same. I remember Chelsea vs Manchester City with Sarri as our manager, in which Hazard had no freedom and was not allowed to leave the left winger spot because of Sarri's tactical instructions. Sarri wanted to hold Hazard on the left wing, which should have given RLC more space to penetrate Manchester City's defense. In the end, Hazard did not perform that well and we did not either lol. But Hazard needs freedom to perform at his best. 

[NikkiCFC 8,066]

6 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Is Weigl in the mould of Jorginho? For me that's fine if Jorginho was looking to leave but we need an alternative in midfield that is stronger defensively.

Locatelli as Jorginho replacement would be great. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,320]

You have to wonder if Tuchel has a network of strikers he is intersted in considering Kane, Haaland, and Lukaku are probably all unattainable. 

[killer1257 3,282]

14 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

You have to wonder if Tuchel has a network of strikers he is intersted in considering Kane, Haaland, and Lukaku are probably all unattainable. 

I don't think there is anyone good left apart from those options 

[MoroccanBlue 5,320]

3 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

I don't think there is anyone good left apart from those options 

Which is why I suggested if Tuchel has a network of options not named those three. Obviously he wants his ST to be mobile and offer qualities on the ball, so are there not any options that fit into his mould?

I sound like a broken record but it will be suicide not to go into next season with a recognisable ST. 

[killer1257 3,282]

9 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Which is why I suggested if Tuchel has a network of options not named those three. Obviously he wants his ST to be mobile and offer qualities on the ball, so are there not any options that fit into his mould?

I sound like a broken record but it will be suicide not to go into next season with a recognisable ST. 

I expect us to sell Tammy and Giroud leaves on a free transfer and we go with Kai and Timo as our main strikers. 

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

I expect us to sell Tammy and Giroud leaves on a free transfer and we go with Kai and Timo as our main strikers. 

One would think or hope they would do better next season but I don't think even Tuchel is crazy enough to go with just two players for the striker position, especially when they're both likely to play at the same time a lot. Then you also gotta factor in form, injury, suspension, rotation etc.

Either we find someone low-key that fits into Tuchel's system or if we really can't find anyone, then maybe Tuchel and Abraham might reconcile.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

23 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

I don't think there is anyone good left apart from those options 

We could try to get up and coming strikers like DCL, Vlahovic, or Daka. Another option would be getting a backup like Ings or Wilson.

Edited May 24, 2021 by Blues Forever

[Blues Forever 1,232]

3 minutes ago, Jas said:

One would think or hope they would do better next season but I don't think even Tuchel is crazy enough to go with just two players for the striker position, especially when they're both likely to play at the same time a lot. Then you also gotta factor in form, injury, suspension, rotation etc.

Either we find someone low-key that fits into Tuchel's system or if we really can't find anyone, then maybe Tuchel and Abraham might reconcile.

Personally i don't see this happening, unless Tuchel ready to promise Abraham a starting role.