Chelsea Transfers

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

37 minutes ago, Alabama said:

Why is our other left back options far better ans zillion miles ahead of our first choice left back Chilwell...?

Tsimikas is fucking quality similar in style and talent to Theo...Him or Tsimikas especially Tsimikas for £13m is a steal...

Theo Hernandez is a physical beast tho whilst Tsimikas is just quick but weak af

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3 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Theo Hernandez is a physical beast tho whilst Tsimikas is just quick but weak af

Thank you.

[Pizy 18,952]

As long as we never see Jorginho in a midfield 2 against any to teams next season I'm perfectly fine with him staying.

We should be actively seeking a buyer for Barkley, though. Don't see where he gets minutes if Havertz comes in. 

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Theo Hernandez is a physical beast tho whilst Tsimikas is just quick but weak af

Ashley Cole was no Maicon either and still good enough to go toe to toe with Ronaldo

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47 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Ashley Cole was no Maicon either and still good enough to go toe to toe with Ronaldo

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Maicon 

now we are talking

that is my type of brutal bulldozer right back (would LOVE to have him and Ashley as 22yo fullbacks on our side as our FB pair!)

ahh, the good old Inter days, sigh (hopefully they keep improving, and get a good manager to replace Conte if he walks)

 

what the hell happened to HARD Brasilians??

almost all now are pussytklaat

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Maicon 
now we are talking
that is my type of brutal bulldozer right back (would LOVE to have him and Ashley as 22yo fullbacks on our side as our FB pair!)
ahh, the good old Inter days, sigh (hopefully they keep improving, and get a good manager to replace Conte if he walks)
 
what the hell happened to HARD Brasilians??
almost all now are pussytklaat

Maicon is my favourite RB of all time, even though I only saw one world class season of him, but that seasons performance always stayed on my mind and he makes my greatest ever line up.

Hard Brasilians? Were there that many of them? Maybe Lucio also.

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13 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

 

 

Maicon is my favourite RB of all time, even though I only saw one world class season of him, but that seasons performance always stayed on my mind and he makes my greatest ever line up.

Hard Brasilians? Were there that many of them? Maybe Lucio also.

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Dunga types used to be common.

This video is sooooo Italian, the heavy metal song to start it off, lolol (official Inter too)

Colosso

[Alabama 1,992]

1 hour ago, Magic Lamps said:

Theo Hernandez is a physical beast tho whilst Tsimikas is just quick but weak af

Though not a slouch...and very intelligent and quick to escape challenges...

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who the fuck is tsimikas and why is he suddenly a pl quality player from olympiacos or whatever. 

[Alabama 1,992]

4 minutes ago, whats happening said:

who the fuck is tsimikas and why is he suddenly a pl quality player from olympiacos or whatever. 

He is quality player but whether he will come good in PL remains to be seen as Liverpool are apparently after him as back up to Robertson but several liverpool fans thinks that move will do him no good as a quality enough to start for a side as good as them...watch him in Europa league and see how fukcing good he was against the likes of Arsenal and co...

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12 minutes ago, whats happening said:

who the fuck is tsimikas and why is he suddenly a pl quality player from olympiacos or whatever. 

he is nothing special at all

victimpool and few others have him on their radar as a pure backup squad player (the dippers have zero LB options other than Robertson, other than sliding over the ancient mariner and out of position Milner)

and now that he just played against Wolves he is the flavour of the minute

if he is the level of our ambition at LB, we are in trouble there indeed

he is the exact size (1.78m) and is 7 months older (born May 12, 1996) than both Chilwell and Sergio Reguilón

he is also far less quality than either

he would be fine as the new Emerson (backup only) as he is very cheap and not complete dogshit, but if he is being looked at as our long term starter, then HARD PASS

[NikkiCFC 8,336]

On 8/6/2020 at 1:06 AM, blu35_army said:

how come our shit deffenders has a rise value...lol. beside that,,kepa is really in tears if we gonna sell him. prefer to keep him as a second GK...

Tbh we got around 40m euros in loan fees from players on this list...

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3 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Tbh we got around 40m euros in loan fees from players on this list...

we will never get most of those prices Other than Zouma), plus that list doesn't count turned down offers that were higher 

€40m in loan fees sounds a bit high (not at all saying it is not possible)

would love to see a detailed listing

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On 07/08/2020 at 5:52 PM, coolhead23 said:

50m for Dunk? Really !!! 

that was a winter window piss take valuation by BHO, I think £25m to £30m (35m max, due to his age)  would work, or toss in a turd from our fancy big turd collection for makeweight (although our turds come with back-and-bank-breaking salaries for minnows like BHO)

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8 minutes ago, Vesper said:

we will never get most of those prices Other than Zouma), plus that list doesn't count turned down offers that were higher 

€40m in loan fees sounds a bit high (not at all saying it is not possible)

would love to see a detailed listing

Zouma 15.7m from 2 loans. We already got back what we paid for him lol

https://www.transfermarkt.com/kurt-zouma/transfers/spieler/157509

Bakayoko 5+3=8m 

This is 23.7m already.

Moses had 5 loans. First one to Liverpool was 1.2m fee. Michy 3 loans.

Chris spent two years in Borussia. So 35m at worst.

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13 minutes ago, Vesper said:

that was a winter window piss take valuation by BHO, I think £25m to £30m (35m max, due to his age)  would work, or toss in a turd from our fancy big turd collection for makeweight (although our turds come with back-and-bank-breaking salaries for minnows like BHO)

A loan move for Tomori as part of the deal could be a good move for all parties involved.

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10 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Zouma 15.7m from 2 loans. We already got back what we paid for him lol

https://www.transfermarkt.com/kurt-zouma/transfers/spieler/157509

Bakayoko 5+3=8m 

This is 23.7m already.

Moses had 5 loans. First one to Liverpool was 1.2m fee. Michy 3 loans.

Chris spent two years in Borussia. So 35m at worst.

fair enough, £35m is at least something back

its still going to be a cumulative loss of over £400m at the end of the day on deals (not just players from that date onward) starting in 2016/17, when shit buys, shit contractual management, turned down sales, mistimed sale, etc are all tallied up.even count all proceeds from all the loan fees of all the players involved on the big list, and also subtracting out the few decent sales.

And that £400m plus net loss was including reduced but still decent (some barely, lolol) sales prices for some that will NEVER happen now, like Baka, Bats, Drinkwater, Emerson, Alonso, Moses, etc etc etc etc

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On 06/08/2020 at 1:06 AM, blu35_army said:

how come our shit deffenders has a rise value...lol. beside that,,kepa is really in tears if we gonna sell him. prefer to keep him as a second GK...

you cannot go by Transfermarkt atm, as they are slowly updating their COVID-19 across the board devaluations

those rises are almost all due to a simple update, NOT for quality of play sake

[Blue Armour 4,448]

8 hours ago, Vesper said:

Maicon 

now we are talking

that is my type of brutal bulldozer right back (would LOVE to have him and Ashley as 22yo fullbacks on our side as our FB pair!)

ahh, the good old Inter days, sigh (hopefully they keep improving, and get a good manager to replace Conte if he walks)

 

what the hell happened to HARD Brasilians??

almost all now are pussytklaat

Maicon, Lucio, ...even our very own Alex

Brazilian defenders of a bygone era. Tough as nails

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Gosens: ‘Tactical stuff really is the worst. But with Gasperini you know it works’

https://theathletic.com/1974979/2020/08/08/robin-gosens-atalanta-champions-league-interview-germany/

Bergamo is a city united by its love for football. But when the game returned to one of the towns in Europe worst affected by coronavirus, it proved very divisive. “There were two camps,” Robin Gosens recalls. “Some were saying it’s great that calcio was back, a good distraction, something to take your mind off things. But others, including our ultras, said: ‘How can you play football when scores of people have died here, don’t we have more important things to worry about?’ It got you thinking whether it was right or wrong.”

Atalanta’s German wing-back was also troubled by the role the sport might have inadvertently played in spreading the virus in northern Italy and Spain. Some virologists have called Atalanta’s last-16 tie with Valencia in February “a biological bomb” as scores of Bergamo-based fans and Valencia supporters travelled for the game in Milan to fuel the outbreak. “I’m not an expert but it sounds logical,” he says. “I don’t know how my team-mates feel but I’m deeply saddened that we might have been part of something this horrible, even if we’re not personally to blame. You’re at the top of your career, playing in the Champions League, and in the stands, it’s the start of misery…” His voice trails off. ”It’s difficult to get to terms with.”

Atalanta’s players were either holed up in their homes with their families, unable to leave the house at all for two months, or cooped up in the team hotel next to the training ground. They felt reasonably safe but as the virus raged all around them in Europe’s epicentre of the disease, the club wasn’t spared. The father of assistant coach Mauro Fumagalli caught the virus. A fit and healthy man in his mid-sixties, he was admitted to a hospital that found itself completely overstretched. “He was put on oxygen supply and couldn’t talk to his family,” Gosens says. “Three weeks later, he was gone. A doctor later told Mauro that they might have been able to save him if he had come in at a different time, but it was total chaos then. Horrific.” Coach Gian Piero Gasperini revealed that he had also contracted the virus but the 62-year-old was lucky to recover quickly.

Fortunately, the overall situation in Lombardy has much improved since. “People want to move forward, cautiously,” the 26-year-old says. “Everyone knows it’s not over but there’s real excitement that we’re still in the Champions League. It’s sad that the fans can’t accompany us on this adventure, they would love to be involved. But the mood is much more positive now. Even those who were opposed to football at the beginning have changed their stance. They’re just happy that we brought a bit of joy back into their lives and put a smile on their faces.”

A fabulous run of nine wins, three draws and only one defeat, resulting in another sensational top-four finish, can do that for you. “We were lucky that we came back as if we’d never been away, hitting form immediately,” Gosens says, a little modestly. Gasperini’s team has played some of the finest passing football anyone has seen this year.

Confidence is high before next week’s meeting with Paris Saint-Germain, too. Gosens noted that PSG coach Thomas Tuchel was careful not to call the Italians “a good draw” or words to such effect. “We’re not considered small fry, people have obviously noticed what we have done. We can take that as a big compliment. We see this trip to Lisbon as a bonus. The cherry on the cake, as we say in German. We go there with no pressure at all. I believe, for PSG, it’s very different. We know that they’re a world-class team, of course. But it won’t be fun for them to play against us. It’s two games to the final. So why not dream?”

Why not, indeed.   has played a big part in the club’s dream. Atalanta’s left-back was bought as a virtual unknown for €900,000 from Heracles Almelo in 2017 but has been one of the revelations of the campaign, scoring nine goals from open play and providing eight assists in the leagues. Few (nominal) defenders in Europe’s top leagues have done more going forward.

Attacking full-backs are a hallmark of Gasperini’s system. Gosens says that the collective movement by the team makes every player look good but his improvement is also down to lots of hard work. He has spent hours watching himself on a laptop next to Gasperini or Fumagalli, who explained how and when he needed to move to get into dangerous areas.

“Last year, I would often get into the final third but didn’t have the right timing to get to the ball, I was either too far forward or still behind. I analysed my weaknesses and mistakes, watching a lot of games back. With the help of the coaches, I managed to really improve on that. I also spent a lot of time on the training ground on finishing, with my head, left foot, right foot. I’ve made a big jump. It shows you that doing that little bit more really does pay off.”

Putting the extra hours in is a recurring theme in the conversation. Gasperini’s creative brilliance, it turns out, is built on meticulous training sessions that can go on forever. “There is a degree of freedom in attack because the opponents don’t move like the dots on the tactics board. But we also devote entire days to practice certain patterns. Some of the goals we have scored have come from those prepared moves. That’s what a good coach is all about. When you see he knows what he’s talking about, you trust him and his ideas, even if working on them for three hours at a time is horrible. Tactical stuff really is the worst.” He laughs. “But you just know it will come off.”

Gosens is aware of the value of hard work, perhaps more than your average footballer. He grew up in the village of Elten, close to the Dutch border, and never truly believed he would make it as professional after a hopeless trial with Borussia Dortmund in his teens.

“The standard was far too high me,” he winces. He played for tiny amateur side VfL Rhede in his youth, often turning up to matches after heavy-duty night outs with friends. But once, a scout from Vitesse Arnhem dispatched to watch a different player, happened to see him dominate a game in midfield. He invited him for a trial. Gosens moved across the border, aged 18. Peter Bosz, Vitesse’s coach at the time, called him up to the pros. He then moved to newly-promoted Dordrecht and onwards to Heracles. It’s only this season, however, that he has managed to really come into his own, a veritable late-bloomer in the age of hot-housed prodigies.

“It’s hard to explain why it has clicked for me now but one factor is essential: I’ve worked incredibly hard on myself since I got the chance to become a pro,” he says. “It’s because I felt I had to make up for all the things I didn’t learn in an academy. The dream was so big that I promised myself to never stop working and trying to improve myself. I think there’s still unrealised potential. I want to go further, I want more, I will never rest on my laurels. I think that’s what makes me different from some other players. The most beautiful thing you can do is play football for a living, I’m aware of that. Every single day.”

Would he give his 15-year-old self advice on how to lead a different, more football-focused life, and perhaps make it more quickly? The surprising answer is no. “I’m incredibly happy that I became a pro this way. I know it’s not the norm these days but I’m honestly not sure I would have made it if I had joined an academy aged 16 or 17. I’m a free spirit, I needed that experience as a youngster, doing lots of stupid things and being completely out of order a few times to become the player and the human being I am today. I’m at peace with myself because I don’t feel that I missed out on my youth. I made all the mistakes I needed to make.” Pre-match beers are no longer viable, he laughs: “They will have to wait until the holidays.”

And then, the next step beckons. Gosens is expected to get called up by Germany this autumn, to reach another milestone in his wondrous career. There is also plenty of talk of a €30 million move to a bigger club after Atalanta’s European exploits come to an end.

Gosens admits that he’s excited by the prospect of playing in the Bundesliga but he won’t leave simply for the sake of a bigger pay packet. “Money is great. But it’s never been the driving force for me. I need to know what a club and a coach have planned for me, what they want to achieve. Being part of a project is more important than the financial aspect. You only get better as a player and a person if someone believes in you.”