Chelsea Transfers

[Atomiswave 6,117]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

I never suggested we spend anywhere near to those levels in this thread. Especially those ludicrous 600/700m  figures which is a spin up number that came from adding in a Rudiger and Kante sale that was only a one-off reply to another poster and was never included in my full accounting numbers.

what I DID say as possible targets were (way back on this thread and I did pull off Ake, as if we only sell one CB, and buy one, he is not needed, and IF we did sell two CB's I would go for BOTH Konate and Romagnoli, as Ake is too short and not close to those two levels, as I also stated in another reply on this thread)

 

Konate or Romagnoli £70m

Chillwell £70m

Declan Rice £70m (I say Camavinga for the future (Kante can so mentor him, as they are both French), or Thomas Partey (who is only £45m with his release clause) for NOW, but the club is hellbent on Rice, which remains to be seen who is right or wrong)

Sancho £120m (he MAY be a wee bit cheaper, but I am show conservative numbers here to prove my point)

Werner £25m (due to low release clause)

TOTAL COST  £345M

LETS SAY I AM 10% UNDER-PRICING on the total l that leaves the total cost at £380m

 

That is NOWHERE near 500/600/700 million quid

 

also that includes a HUGE 120m quid buy of Sancho, and IF (which is more than likely, unfortunately) we fail on buying him, you can pull around 50m quid OFF those totals as I do not rate spending more than 70m quid on anyother winger (other than the pipe dream deluxe of Mbappe, which is never going to happen)

so now, if no Sancho we are down to around £295m to £325m total spend, which even fits into Mr 'disappear £200m in revenues' kitty of 300m

that also includes £70m spent on Declan Rice, which may not even happen this summer of 2020,and TBH I would so much rather (as stated before so many times) go for Camavinga instead, who I think can be had for (this is a really rough estimate) around £50m.

Even WITH Sancho, the total then is only around £325 to £360m

 

If no Sancho, then only £275m to £305m TOTAL SPEND.

Finally IF we did buy Thomas for our hybrid CMF/DMF and passed on Rice and Camavinga, take another £5m OFF those figures even (as his release clause is only £45m)

 

I NEVER said to spend 600, 700m on this thread, that is tosh. On some posts a longish time ago post (regarding Mbappe) I did show he COULD have been purchased (even at close to 275-300m or so) but that was before we lost even more revenue on non sales due to bans and possible contract wind-downs and the bdget was nowhere near 700m (and agin was all ZERO net spend when dealing with fees in and out).

 

FINALLY

 

Having went back and forth for weeks (and this is subject to change)

I think we DO buy Chilwell (that is part of the good news)

I do NOT think we will sell Rudiger, Zouma, Kante at all (this is good too)

I also think that IF we do sell AC, we will buy (stupidly I think) Ake, and not even make moves on either Romagnoli or Konate.

I think we will try (and probably fail) to buy Sancho and  FOOLISHLY end up with Zaha for around £70m

I do NOT think we make moves for either Camavinga (sob) or Partey and it is 50/50 if he mover for Declan Rice this summer

I think we try (and again fail) on Werner, and I must say, at this point ,after hm, I have no clear favourite who we make a move for, maybe Lautaro Martínez???? (HARD pull as Conte loves him)

 

SO not counting a striker

and assuming we DO buy Zaha and Rice, Chilwell, Ake (and sell AC, otherwise no Ake buy)

that is around £250m gross spend (and obviously goes up a lot IF we buy a striker not named Werner (we are mad if we do not go all out for him at that price)

I could see us not even buying Rice and spending 50 to 70m instead on a striker which yields £230 to 250m gross spend as well

hell we may not even sell AC and buy NO CB's

the only positions I am dead red sure that we buy in are LB and RW and probably CF

 

 

 

 

Ohh I never made such assumptions my friend........and im with you on this. I just wanna see ambition, Desire and the will to go get some quality. Not mbappe etc, thats a pipe dream. But Theres plenty good players out there that can slot right in and improve us. You can get 2-3 quality players for 200m.

[NikkiCFC 8,286]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

Mount seems to be the No.1 choice under Lampard and I don't think he's going to be dropped.

I hope he's not undroppable because Kovacic/RLC offer more depending on opposition. Jorginho and Kante are undroppable for me at the moment. 

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

I hope he's not undroppable because Kovacic/RLC offer more depending on opposition. Jorginho and Kante are undroppable for me at the moment. 

At the same time, one could say Mount + Kovacic offer more than Kante depending on the opposition. Mount may not always look like he does much but he's key in linking our midfield and attack. Otherwise, we'll just end up with 2 endless ball passers in Kovacic & Jorginho, who don't get forward much, if at all, and Kante, who is hit and miss going forward. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

We are bloody 3rd with Mount being an essential player. Why are people moaning?

[NikkiCFC 8,286]

6 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

We are bloody 3rd with Mount being an essential player. Why are people moaning?

No one is moaning. He's being very quiet last seven games between two international breaks. According to Whoscored 6.91 has been his best rating in this period. He started the season very well but dropped in form recently. Many agreed with me here that RLC from last season is better player so I'm just curious to see what happens when he is back from injury... 

[Tomo 21,751]

11 hours ago, Jason said:

But where would Eriksen fit in though? Our midfield is already stacked as it is, even excluding Barkley - we have Jorginho, Kovacic, Kante, Mount and Loftus-Cheek - and there's already a tiny issue of how we do set up our midfield - Kovacic/Jorginho/Mount or Jorginho/Kante/Mount or Jorginho/Kante/Kovacic? And that's without even considering Loftus-Cheek. Mount seems to be the No.1 choice under Lampard and I don't think he's going to be dropped. If you move him out wide to the left, we would then have issues with Pulisic/CHO. Willian looks likely to stay (Lampard has been expressing his love for him) and IF we sign Sancho, then there doesn't seem to be any place to fit Eriksen in.

Moreover, while we all want 2 world class players for every position, I'm not sure how sustainable that is in the long run. Squad management would then be a major headache because everyone would want to play in the XI week in, week out and at some point down the line, players are gonna start making noise if they aren't playing every week and keep on getting rotated. Only Man City and Juventus arguably can boast to have WC or great players for every position (barring City's defence) but other big clubs have a decent balance between the first team players and backups who can do a good job when called upon but also okay with not playing every week. We need to get what Lampard wants and not just buy players for the sake of it. Otherwise, it could cause confusion and muddle things up in regards to how we want to play, set up etc. 

The trick to build a high quality depth of squad is find 3 players to compete high for two certain position's then if possible a squad filler as 4th choice who happily knows his place yet still has a big moment or two in them a season (ie the O Shea type). For example, in the two more defensive CM right now we have the perfect balance of Kova, Kante and Jorginho fighting for 2 spots between them, with the games we have and factoring injuries/suspensions there's more than enough minutes to keep all three happy.Frank is arguably going down this road at fullback now with James RB, Emerson LB and Azpi shifting between both.

At CM, CB and the wings we can comfortably get high quality depth and keep them all happy, ST will be tougher though.

[Superblue 6,372]

3 hours ago, Tomo said:

The trick to build a high quality depth of squad is find 3 players to compete high for two certain position's then if possible a squad filler as 4th choice who happily knows his place yet still has a big moment or two in them a season (ie the O Shea type). For example, in the two more defensive CM right now we have the perfect balance of Kova, Kante and Jorginho fighting for 2 spots between them, with the games we have and factoring injuries/suspensions there's more than enough minutes to keep all three happy.Frank is arguably going down this road at fullback now with James RB, Emerson LB and Azpi shifting between both.

At CM, CB and the wings we can comfortably get high quality depth and keep them all happy, ST will be tougher though.

Spot on. It's how City are able to keep such a strong contingent of midfield and attacking talent happy because they all get regularly rotated in and out with the exception of one or two who are pretty much mainstay's.

I like our options at present. What Lamps has done by bringing through and trusting the younger players is not just freshened up the first team but also hugely improved the squad depth. A couple of astute additions in the summer alongside a more experienced group of young players and possibly one or two more youngsters ready to be integrated into the first team squad and we could be in a real good position to challenge again.

With regards to the striker situation, I think Bats is a very good and ideal second choice. He definitely isn't first choice quality but he does seem to offer a good impact off the bench regularly and he's always good for a goal. Whether he would be prepared to continue such a role after this season I'm not sure though.

If we were to get another striker in the summer I think it will depend on Tammy. If Tammy continues to score all season long and gets 20+ goals which he is well on his way to doing then I find it difficult to argue about trying to upgrade on a 22 year old scoring that many goals for the team. In which case you are then looking for someone who can challenge and push him for the starting berth but without the expectations that they would be automatically a first choice. However I think if Tammy keeps banging them in, the club could take a bit of a calculated risk with who they buy as opposed to a more proven commodity. In my head I'm thinking perhaps someone like Haland. He'll be in big demand and although some crazy figures are being quoted around at the moment, I still see him realistically moving for £40-50m (possibly more if a bidding war ensues) so it would be a big transfer splash. However if Tammy is already our 'proven striker' in the Premier League, the risk is much easier to make. He could just be on a hot streak of form (thinking Piatek last season) but he could also very well develop into one of the best strikers in Europe.

[Jase 43,479]

4 hours ago, Tomo said:

The trick to build a high quality depth of squad is find 3 players to compete high for two certain position's then if possible a squad filler as 4th choice who happily knows his place yet still has a big moment or two in them a season (ie the O Shea type). For example, in the two more defensive CM right now we have the perfect balance of Kova, Kante and Jorginho fighting for 2 spots between them, with the games we have and factoring injuries/suspensions there's more than enough minutes to keep all three happy.Frank is arguably going down this road at fullback now with James RB, Emerson LB and Azpi shifting between both.

Our midfield options right now are fine and think we'll manage. But add anymore quality into it without selling and there could be problems.

4 hours ago, Tomo said:

At CM, CB and the wings we can comfortably get high quality depth and keep them all happy

 

10 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Spot on. It's how City are able to keep such a strong contingent of midfield and attacking talent happy because they all get regularly rotated in and out with the exception of one or two who are pretty much mainstay's.

Easy to say that but no high quality players would want to keep on be in and out of the team and it's easy to keep everyone happy when the team are winning almost every week - like Man City (and also if you pay them lots of $$$$$$$$$$$). Problems come when the team don't. 

[King Kante 1,643]

I think Sancho is wanting to move here. Again he is in the press talking, this time that SFL and Drogba were two of his idols. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/jadon-sancho-credits-chelsea-pair-frank-lampard-and-didier-drogba-as-early-inspirations-a4286881.html%3famp

This comes on top of similar comments and the picturs that he has with the other youung lads. I would not be surprised if he is brought this January and comes in then or during the Summer. 

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

15 hours ago, Jason said:

But where would Eriksen fit in though? Our midfield is already stacked as it is, even excluding Barkley - we have Jorginho, Kovacic, Kante, Mount and Loftus-Cheek - and there's already a tiny issue of how we do set up our midfield - Kovacic/Jorginho/Mount or Jorginho/Kante/Mount or Jorginho/Kante/Kovacic? And that's without even considering Loftus-Cheek. Mount seems to be the No.1 choice under Lampard and I don't think he's going to be dropped. If you move him out wide to the left, we would then have issues with Pulisic/CHO. Willian looks likely to stay (Lampard has been expressing his love for him) and IF we sign Sancho, then there doesn't seem to be any place to fit Eriksen in.

Moreover, while we all want 2 world class players for every position, I'm not sure how sustainable that is in the long run. Squad management would then be a major headache because everyone would want to play in the XI week in, week out and at some point down the line, players are gonna start making noise if they aren't playing every week and keep on getting rotated. Only Man City and Juventus arguably can boast to have WC or great players for every position (barring City's defence) but other big clubs have a decent balance between the first team players and backups who can do a good job when called upon but also okay with not playing every week. We need to get what Lampard wants and not just buy players for the sake of it. Otherwise, it could cause confusion and muddle things up in regards to how we want to play, set up etc. 

You are totally right, but the likes of Mount, CHO, Tomori, Reece James, Pulisic, Tammy will still be considered as young players next season, too, so I guess two or three quality senior arrivals are needed IMHO. They (Mount, CHO etc.) are of top quality, but still young come next season to play week in, week out and the way I see Frank Lampard the manager, I don't think he is the type to play the same '11' from August to May. A midfield six of Kante, Jorginho, Kovacic, RLC, Mount and Eriksen would be a balanced one IMHO, but for sure it's a long shot with Eriksen and just a thought of mine because I like him as a player. 

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, King Kante said:

I think Sancho is wanting to move here. Again he is in the press talking, this time that SFL and Drogba were two of his idols. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/jadon-sancho-credits-chelsea-pair-frank-lampard-and-didier-drogba-as-early-inspirations-a4286881.html%3famp

This comes on top of similar comments and the picturs that he has with the other youung lads. I would not be surprised if he is brought this January and comes in then or during the Summer. 

It's kinda hilarious that people think the Pulisic type transfer is now easily doable just because we did it with him. If it was, a lot more clubs would have done it already. Unless we throw an obscene amount of money at Dortmund in January, there's no reason for them to sell Sancho then when they can start a bidding war for him in the summer.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7682459/Jadon-Sancho-hands-major-boost-suitors-English-winger-wants-LEAVE-Borussia-Dortmund.html

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, petre.ispirescu said:

You are totally right, but the likes of Mount, CHO, Tomori, Reece James, Pulisic, Tammy will still be considered as young players next season, too, so I guess two or three quality senior arrivals are needed IMHO. They (Mount, CHO etc.) are of top quality, but still young come next season to play week in, week out and the way I see Frank Lampard the manager, I don't think he is the type to play the same '11' from August to May. A midfield six of Kante, Jorginho, Kovacic, RLC, Mount and Eriksen would be a balanced one IMHO, but for sure it's a long shot with Eriksen and just a thought of mine because I like him as a player. 

Oh we do need experienced players to complement the younger players but whether we need more in the midfield area is debatable considering we already have 3. Lampard might look at other areas to bolster instead.

Lampard won't play the same XI throughout the season but he would want a consistent side. A midfield six of Kante, Jorginho, Kovacic, Loftus-Cheek, Mount and Eriksen would require a lot of rotation, different midfield set-up almost every time, risking disrupting the cohesion within the side.

Also, Gallagher seems to be doing well on loan at Charlton. We don't know what Lampard has in mind for him. Might even get him to take up Barkley's spot in midfield. 

[King Kante 1,643]

28 minutes ago, Jason said:

It's kinda hilarious that people think the Pulisic type transfer is now easily doable just because we did it with him. If it was, a lot more clubs would have done it already. Unless we throw an obscene amount of money at Dortmund in January, there's no reason for them to sell Sancho then when they can start a bidding war for him in the summer.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7682459/Jadon-Sancho-hands-major-boost-suitors-English-winger-wants-LEAVE-Borussia-Dortmund.html

How is it hilarious? I said a January or Summer transfer. Also, I do not see the buy in Jan get in Summer as such a great deal. Most clubs would want the player straight away. I also did not say that he would not cost an obscene amount of money, as he clearly will. 

[Jase 43,479]

Chilwell just provided 3 assists for first 3 England goals vs Montenegro...

[Stats 7,136]

7 hours ago, King Kante said:

How is it hilarious? I said a January or Summer transfer. Also, I do not see the buy in Jan get in Summer as such a great deal. Most clubs would want the player straight away. I also did not say that he would not cost an obscene amount of money, as he clearly will. 

Sancho just signed a new contract in the summer. Of course they are not going to sell him January. Sancho is also a key player for them, while Pulisic contract with Dortmund was up in 2020 IIRC. What happened with Pulisic was rare as Jason mentioned. If Sancho moves, it will happen in summer for sure.