communicate 2,703 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 9 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said: Ruben has excellent attributes, but he has never shown any hint of becoming a world class player. Throughout his Chelsea progression he has consistently failed to impact football matches. No one doubts that he has the qualities to be a big factor in any game but he virtually never delivers. Those fantastic attributes got him in the World Cup squad; injuries got him in the side, and what did he deliver?. Nothing. I've championed Ruben since his U18 days, but I've always offered the opinion that he would not make it if he did not find a way to bring his talent to bear on matches more often. It hasn't happened yet. I disagree with you on Ruben. Not many player has his combination of physical attribute and skill. But that is debate for another thread. With Havertz you have to be sure. He won't come cheap, with his hype Leverkusen will ask for crazy money. Maybe close to 100 m. If you ask for 100m player and use him just as part of rotation player, everyone will think you are crazy.  killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,938 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Watch Madrid get him. I hate those fuckers. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 9 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said: Ruben has excellent attributes, but he has never shown any hint of becoming a world class player. Throughout his Chelsea progression he has consistently failed to impact football matches. No one doubts that he has the qualities to be a big factor in any game but he virtually never delivers. Those fantastic attributes got him in the World Cup squad; injuries got him in the side, and what did he deliver?. Nothing. I've championed Ruben since his U18 days, but I've always offered the opinion that he would not make it if he did not find a way to bring his talent to bear on matches more often. It hasn't happened yet. I am pretty much of the same opinion on RLC. Further, I think he will never really be be fit enough for a full season or two. Personally, I expect him to end up like Darren Anderton i.e. can be great here and there but never has the consistency and is always in and out with injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,073 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 57 minutes ago, communicate said: I disagree with you on Ruben. Not many player has his combination of physical attribute and skill. But that is debate for another thread. With Havertz you have to be sure. There is no debate; I agree with you. As I said, Ruben has excellent attributes. My argument is that he does do enough with them. 57 minutes ago, communicate said: With Havertz you have to be sure. He won't come cheap, with his hype Leverkusen will ask for crazy money. Maybe close to 100 m. If you ask for 100m player and use him just as part of rotation player, everyone will think you are crazy. We would be crazy to do that again. Any player worth £100m would have to be an automatic starter for us. If he wasn't good enough to be that in this squad, then we would have massively overpaid. Again?? Relatively speaking, we've previously signed players for amounts equivalent to £100m in today's market and used them in rotation. Our squad is not good for us to burn money like that now. If we dump that amount into a player, he has to be on the pitch. Is Havertz worth that kind of money? I haven't seen enough of him in 90-minute action to be certain. If, however, Frank is convinced that he wants to spend such a chunk of his budget on the player then, in the absence of information to form my own judgement, I'd have to defer to my belief in Frank and Jody. If too, Marina can make the deal fit within FFP, then I will have to defer to her also. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,073 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 5 hours ago, King Kante said: I am pretty much of the same opinion on RLC. Further, I think he will never really be be fit enough for a full season or two. Personally, I expect him to end up like Darren Anderton i.e. can be great here and there but never has the consistency and is always in and out with injuries. I always said that it was his injuries which kept Darren Anderton at the top level. Without them, his inconsistency would have seen him slide downwards. The next time Ruben gets a run in the side may well be decisive for his Chelsea future. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 47 minutes ago, DDA said: Watch Madrid get him. I hate those fuckers. the best hope we have is that he is not Brasilian, lololol OhForAGreavsie and DDA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 hour ago, communicate said: I disagree with you on Ruben. Not many player has his combination of physical attribute and skill. But that is debate for another thread. With Havertz you have to be sure. He won't come cheap, with his hype Leverkusen will ask for crazy money. Maybe close to 100 m. If you ask for 100m player and use him just as part of rotation player, everyone will think you are crazy.  there are only a few 21yo and under players who are hyper elite enough to be worth 80 to 100m euros (in a few cases even more) Havertz is deffo one of the 8 Kylian Mbappé  Jadon Sancho Erling Haaland   Kai Havertz João Félix Trent Alexander-Arnold    Alphonso Davies    Matthijs de Ligt  (around 80m euros or so, and he is only 20yo still) potentially there, but not yet Sandro Tonali (close, very close to 80m euros, I would rate him 70-75m euros atm) Eduardo Camavinga (only 17, so has 4 years to get there) Ferran Torres (next season will tell, he has all the skills plus great size and pace) Nicolò Zaniolo  (next season is huge, as he is coming off a horrid knee injury)  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrenshah 186 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Lets get De Ligt in return for Jorginho...I am sure Sarri wont say no Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, shrenshah said: Lets get De Ligt in return for Jorginho...I am sure Sarri wont say no they would also want Emerson, and still might not go for it but its worth a shot big problem is Sarri IF the Juve blows Serie A he will be sacked for sure unless he (so doubtful) wins the CL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 6 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said: There is no debate; I agree with you. As I said, Ruben has excellent attributes. My argument is that he does do enough with them. We would be crazy to do that again. Any player worth £100m would have to be an automatic starter for us. If he wasn't good enough to be that in this squad, then we would have massively overpaid. Again?? Relatively speaking, we've previously signed players for amounts equivalent to £100m in today's market and used them in rotation. Our squad is not good for us to burn money like that now. If we dump that amount into a player, he has to be on the pitch. Is Havertz worth that kind of money? I haven't seen enough of him in 90-minute action to be certain. If, however, Frank is convinced that he wants to spend such a chunk of his budget on the player then, in the absence of information to form my own judgement, I'd have to defer to my belief in Frank and Jody. If too, Marina can make the deal fit within FFP, then I will have to defer to her also. Other than early roman era, i don't think we ever spend big on player where we think he won't be at least important player for us. Like you, i have never watched havertz play. I was trying to watch him play against Bayern but he was injured.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 I want to see more concrete Havertz rumors [emoji3]Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1chelsea 864 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 I want to see more concrete Havertz rumors [emoji3]Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit TapatalkI believe you support Jason in his quest for Timo if he join you in your quest for Havertz then I believe we get him.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, 1chelsea said: I believe you support Jason in his quest for Timo if he join you in your quest for Havertz then I believe we get him. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro  I have nothing against Havertz but I just don't think we will sign him. So, sorry @killer1257... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 [emoji38]Â I have nothing against Havertz but I just don't think we will sign him. So, sorry [mention=6611]killer1257[/mention]...That hurts man. That hurts...Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk Jase 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DDA 9,938 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, Special Juan said: I don't get this, what the is actually going on? Somebody has commented, 'announce Havertz' and he has liked it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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