Mikel John Obi

[OneMoSalah 8,783]

If you think being more incisive on the ball with passing is "bullshit", then I dont think I stand much chance arguing with you.

I never said its bullshit, I just said Mikel doesn't need to do more than what hes already doing. He does his role well and its important to the team.

[happy_juan 64]

Moving the goalposts when presented with the facts, how surprising.

Maybe you should read my post again? Where did I say that he was passing backwards?

@ryan davidson: you used the exact word.

[lucio 5,418]

I never said its bullshit, I just said Mikel doesn't need to do more than what hes already doing. He does his role well and its important to the team.

he dosent need to show more effort recovering? right ok he can stick to plodding back

[Phil Driver 503]

You can't argue with the Mikel fanboys,if they did not learn anything from Saturday they never will.

We are calmer with him in the team?

It could be time to air his win/play stats again,if the two halves against Spurs were not proof enough of his negative influence on Chelsea .

[OneMoSalah 8,783]

he dosent need to show more effort recovering? right ok he can stick to plodding back

Sure sometimes hes out of position trying to press the ball but thats because hes exposed at times.

[Phil Driver 503]

bleed_blue, on 15 Sept 2013 - 06:50 AM, said:

After 3rd Feb 2013, we have played 32 games. Mikel started 10 of these games.

Our results when Mikel started: 3 wins, 2 draws and 5 defeats

Our results in the other 22 games: 17 wins, 3 draws and 2 defeats.

The 2 defeats when Mikel did not start: vs Rubin Kazan away when we were leading 2-1 before Mikel came on as sub and we lost 2-3 and the Super Cup defeat to Bayern on penalties.

Add to these stats a 2-0 win over a terrible Fulham and a 1-0 loss at Spurs while on the pitch (subbed at H/T) after being dominated , after being subbed we go on to dominate and win

1-0 and were dominant.

So as well as his terrible stats we now have the contrast of the first and second half v Spurs to consider?

[Phil Driver 503]

Right...come back when he starts again vs Steaua

Dropped.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Dropped.

He must mean the home game. :eyebrows:

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Dropped.

Doesn't matter. It only means he'll start against Norwich.

Your theory that Mikel won't get any playing time this season has long since been proven wrong

[Phil Driver 503]

It is a big slap in the face from Jose we had a big problem in the 1st half at Spurs and he made the change ,some suggested that was because he was being rested for this game. He was taken off for one reson ,he was the problem and he has been dropped tonight ,all other explanations will gat a fair hearing .

I am delighted for one reason I want Chelsea to win . And we need to win.

[Stats 7,059]

It is a big slap in the face from Jose we had a big problem in the 1st half at Spurs and he made the change ,some suggested that was because he was being rested for this game. He was taken off for one reson ,he was the problem and he has been dropped tonight ,all other explanations will gat a fair hearing .

I am delighted for one reason I want Chelsea to win . And we need to win.

No, he clearly was not being rested. That is rubbish. But like some have tried to explain, he was not the problem. Just that we needed to go for the game and Ramires and Lamps have that ability to score goals from open play where Mikel is more a defensive player and obviously it was likely that he would go of instead of Lamps or Ramires.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Doesn't matter. It only means he'll start against Norwich.

Your theory that Mikel won't get any playing time this season has long since been proven wrong

[Phil Driver 503]

No, he clearly was not being rested. That is rubbish. But like some have tried to explain, he was not the problem. Just that we needed to go for the game and Ramires and Lamps have that ability to score goals from open play where Mikel is more a defensive player and obviously it was likely that he would go of instead of Lamps or Ramires.

And tonight? He has been dropped .Lampard could really do with a rest with his schedule inc England but we need him ,Mikel has been dropped ,make no mistake.

And as I have tried to explain Mikel was the problem in the first half v Spurs ,hence he was subbed and dropped tonight ,you might argue with me ,but you cant with Jose.

[Stats 7,059]

And tonight? He has been dropped .Lampard could really do with a rest with his schedule inc England but we need him ,Mikel has been dropped ,make no mistake.

And as I have tried to explain Mikel was the problem in the first half v Spurs ,hence he was subbed and dropped tonight ,you might argue with me ,but you cant with Jose.

Maybe but maybe Jose realises it is a game we need to win and therefore having 2 more attacking focused CM is better for the plan tonight. Mikel will start plenty of games. Whether that be with Lamps or Ramires or another CM, like it or not Jose will play him. What did you call it btw when Lamps was "dropped" against Everton?

[Phil Driver 503]

A loss.

[Phil Driver 503]

Maybe but maybe Jose realises it is a game we need to win and therefore having 2 more attacking focused CM is better for the plan tonight. Mikel will start plenty of games. Whether that be with Lamps or Ramires or another CM, like it or not Jose will play him. What did you call it btw when Lamps was "dropped" against Everton?

So he doesnt think we need a DM who just sits and helps us keep a clean sheet and we win 1-0 0r 2-0 are you saying that with Mikel in the team we have less chance of winning ,that is what it sounds like and I would agree that we have a better chance of winning with Rammy and Lamps.

[Stats 7,059]

So he doesnt think we need a DM who just sits and helps us keep a clean sheet and we win 1-0 0r 2-0 are you saying that with Mikel in the team we have less chance of winning ,that is what it sounds like and I would agree that we have a better chance of winning with Rammy and Lamps.

You have a point in terms of makes us a bigger attacking threat but does it leave us vulnerable? Yes IMO. I like Lamps a lot but when Mikel and Ramires are as a partnership I feel more secure because Mikel will do his defensive duties and allow the likes of Ramires to roam forward. I know you might not like to hear but it expect to see Ramires and Mikel a lot this season.

[Phil Driver 503]

You have a point in terms of makes us a bigger attacking threat but does it leave us vulnerable? Yes IMO. I like Lamps a lot but when Mikel and Ramires are as a partnership I feel more secure because Mikel will do his defensive duties and allow the likes of Ramires to roam forward. I know you might not like to hear but it expect to see Ramires and Mikel a lot this season.

I know you will not like to hear it but I think Jose has identified the big problem we had in the first half v Spurs and do not expect him to play people who give him big problems .