DH1988 1,348 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Lordy, why is it that every other dm or 'pivot' able player is suddenly much better than mikel. He takes a lot of stick but in reality isn't a natural dm at all, those who might remember he started his career and won accolades as a Cm/more of a am player. One example is tiote, anyone who has watched him surely must agree his distribution is very very sub par whereas mikel is excelling at this the backed of last season and this, what people see about tiote is his Essen like tenacity and they love that, it's wht the epl loves however when you actually sit and analyse it, is he really that good? No. Am I saying that mikel is amazing? No but I love the above analogy of its IT support, nobody moans if it's working ok but often he is made a scapegoat, let's also remember that mikel plays with lampard who I saw against reading leave mikel exposed countless times! Rambling now and I'm typing this on an iPad, notoriously difficult so excuse any grammar etc Muzchap, zolayes and The Skipper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleazyB 58 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Haters gonna hate, Mikel will keep starting. Nuff said. TorontoChelsea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Mikel is a good CDM. He's not Makalele or Viera but he does his job. He plays short, accurate passes, he covers holes vacated by defenders, he tackles well, he positions himself well, basically, he does his job. The problem is that people love flashy (or new) and good defensive midfielders are not flashy (in fact, most good players aren't flashy at any position). If you haven't, people should read this. http://www.eplindex.com/16829/chelsea-forget-john-obi-mikel.html zolayes and The Skipper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I don't know why everyone is slating Mikel, i thought he looked better against Reading, he was even trying to attack Jype 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDY 1,290 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I like Mikel but it will only get harder for him the more open we play. Showing his stats of late last season is all well and good, but how did we play at that time? The midfield was compact and opposition teams were forced to go around the outside to get at the back four. Mikel thrived in that because there was no space in the middle for teams to exploit. We all know Mikel isn't the most mobile of players, so I don't know why some can't see that he might struggle the more open we play. Especially alongside Lampard who's natural instinct is to go forward, it often (and has against Wigan and Reading) left Mikel on his own.I've seen people bring up stats highlighting his distribution, why? Although generally his distribution is great, for a player in his position anything above average is a bonus. It's the job of the player next to Mikel to create from deep, whilst also be competent defensively. The way we are looking to play and with the new players we have in attack, a player who can cover ground and hassle opposition players is needed more than one who can sit and break up play. A perfect example would be Vidal, or even Essien if he still had his legs.I'm not 'slating' Mikel, I think he's a very good player. I just don't think he's suited to how we're trying to play, especially with Lampard doing him no favours in a defensive sense. BLionheart and RamiCFC9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I like Mikel but it will only get harder for him the more open we play. Showing his stats of late last season is all well and good, but how did we play at that time? The midfield was compact and opposition teams were forced to go around the outside to get at the back four. Mikel thrived in that because there was no space in the middle for teams to exploit. We all know Mikel isn't the most mobile of players, so I don't know why some can't see that he might struggle the more open we play. Especially alongside Lampard who's natural instinct is to go forward, it often (and has against Wigan and Reading) left Mikel on his own.I've seen people bring up stats highlighting his distribution, why? Although generally his distribution is great, for a player in his position anything above average is a bonus. It's the job of the player next to Mikel to create from deep, whilst also be competent defensively. The way we are looking to play and with the new players we have in attack, a player who can cover ground and hassle opposition players is needed more than one who can sit and break up play. A perfect example would be Vidal, or even Essien if he still had his legs.I'm not 'slating' Mikel, I think he's a very good player. I just don't think he's suited to how we're trying to play, especially with Lampard doing him no favours in a defensive sense.2 points1) The midfield last year under RDM was no more compact than it will be this year. It was the same 4-2-3-1 formation with most of the same players. Having Hazard in the starting XI doesn't suddenly make Mikel useless.2) We keep talking about a new style, but that style change is not going to happen overnight...if ever. You can't transition from one style to another in a year. It will take time. Some of the players we bought will work out great and some won't work out at as expected. The style might not work at all and the players' natural development might organically lead to another type of football. Stats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 How about Mikel + Romeu in the double pivot? That would make sense!Both great tacklers and Romeu looks to play forward a lot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamiCFC9 258 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Mikel is shit.Check Reading's second goal (when the player run and was fouled), Mikel once again was non-existand, he was actually pathetic especially for a DM.Just check it !And such situations happen all the time with him, he is just shit and if u can't see that, maybe get some glasses. xPetrCechx and BLionheart 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I don't know why everyone is slating Mikel, i thought he looked better against Reading, he was even trying to attack Honestly I stopped trying to convince people of Mikel's qualities as most fans just don't understand what a DM is supposed to do. I am convinced that John is the best DM in the league and I'm glad our manager agrees with me. Sir Mikel OBE, zolayes, Amblève. and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Mikel is shit.Check Reading's second goal (when the player run and was fouled), Mikel once again was non-existand, he was actually pathetic especially for a DM.Just check it !And such situations happen all the time with him, he is just shit and if u can't see that, maybe get some glasses.Maybe all the Chelsea managers before RDM and RDM himself need to be enlightened by your statement. They must all be shit managers if they can't see Mikel is shit. The club must be shit as well for not avidly looking for a Mikel replacement. Everyone is shit. zolayes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamiCFC9 258 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 And btw stop with the manager bs cuz it's not even true as far as I remember Mikel wasn't starter in any of our titles under Mourinho and wasn't starter in 2009-2010 season.The only time he had any contribution was last year's FA and CL (when we got owned in midfield badly anyway (even by liverscum).. and played ultra defensively).And when we needed to attack btw (Napoli at home) he wasn't starter either..So check your bs stats again and open your eyes. BLionheart 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 And btw stop with the manager bs cuz it's not even true as far as I remember Mikel wasn't starter in any of our titles under Mourinho and wasn't starter in 2009-2010 season.The only time he had any contribution was last year's FA and CL (when we got owned in midfield badly anyway (even by liverscum).. and played ultra defensively).And when we needed to attack btw (Napoli at home) he wasn't starter either..So check your bs stats again and open your eyes.Lol 1 man Hate Machine Look he's our player, you can't like everybody. He's not shit though - he's just not to your liking.If he leaves CFC feel free to slate him all you want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDY 1,290 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 2 points1) The midfield last year under RDM was no more compact than it will be this year. It was the same 4-2-3-1 formation with most of the same players. Having Hazard in the starting XI doesn't suddenly make Mikel useless.2) We keep talking about a new style, but that style change is not going to happen overnight...if ever. You can't transition from one style to another in a year. It will take time. Some of the players we bought will work out great and some won't work out at as expected. The style might not work at all and the players' natural development might organically lead to another type of football.1. Well early signs would suggest you are incorrect (allbeit vs. Wigan & Reading). We'll see how we shape up today against a better side in Newcastle. And again, no one is implying that Mikel is or will be useless. I said with the new additions to the squad (mostly attacking), we are likely to be more adventurous in our play as we now have the players to hurt the opposition. Thus leaving more space at the back to exploit.2. I was talking about the team playing more open, not a complete shift in styles. Naturally with the players we have bought we will be more open. And I was also talking about down the line when the new players have bedded into the team. Although your rant about styles is correct, that was not what I was getting on to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 It will be interesting to see how he does against Newcastle and I'll be keeping a close eye on him. His biggest is weakness has been him struggling in high tempo games and the tempo will most likely be high today. But he needs to put in a good performance as that will be key I think. He will need to think quicker and will definitely need to move more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabiomad 22 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I thought Mikel bossed the midfield today showed great strength, kept possession well and played a few good passes.Thoughts? Sir Mikel OBE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDY 1,290 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I thought Mikel bossed the midfield today showed great strength, kept possession well and played a few good passes.Thoughts?Agreed, he was one of our best players today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Superb! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Good performance though the tempo wasn't nearly as high as I thought it would be.Good in the air, excellent distribution. Held on to the ball well, Newcastle players couldn't overpower him. Great block at the end as well.He also went on a nice rush in the second half, looked to play a good through ball to Torres but it was sadly intercepted just before it reached Fernando.He does keep frustrating me when he just strolls back when the opposition is coming at us quickly though. He needs to move his ass.And i'd still like to see more aggressiveness from him. BLionheart 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,142 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Brilliant holding mid, fantastic player. The fans who criticize him are clearly blind-sided and don't see that he does his job brilliantly. Would not have any DM over him and I genuinely mean that. He is going to grow with us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,571 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Good game Today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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