robsblubot 3,595 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Yeah because we were so creative without him on the pitch. Fact is we actually had a midfield out there with him on the pitch.Yes yes Mikel is now a world class player Whatever... LolLike I said, regardless how you rate him, his attacking stats speak for themselves. So from a strategy standpoint it's the same as adding attsckers - yes something always gotta give. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Yes yes Mikel is now a world class player Whatever... LolLike I said, regardless how you rate him, his attacking stats speak for themselves. So from a strategy standpoint it's the same as adding attsckers - yes something always gotta give.to attack, u need to have the ball.u can have the ball only if u win it back or the opposition conceded the ball to go on counter (which porto definitely did not do).A.taking him out was a grave mistake.B. taking him out and putting cesc as a DLP was a graver mistake. Gilvorak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 to attack, u need to have the ball.u can have the ball only if u win it back or the opposition conceded the ball to go on counter (which porto definitely did not do).A.taking him out was a grave mistake.B. taking him out and putting cesc as a DLP was a graver mistake.Mikel was subbed off when we were already losing the game so what grave mistake do you speak of? mikel slows down play - we needed to speed it up to attack them. Possession meant nothing once we were losing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Mikel was subbed off when we were already losing the game so what grave mistake do you speak of?mikel slows down play - we needed to speed it up to attack them. Possession meant nothing once we were losing.again, to attack them, u need to first get the ball.damn, i thought i was clear the first time itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 again, to attack them, u need to first get the ball.damn, i thought i was clear the first time itself.It's truly amazing that you keep on thinking people misunderstand or don't understand your very simple points - we are discussing football here not physics.We simply disagree on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 It's truly amazing that you keep on thinking people misunderstand or don't understand your very simple points - we are discussing football here not physics.We simply disagree on this.u disagree that a team needs a ball to attack?now i am just confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 u disagree that a team needs a ball to attack?now i am just confused.The latter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 The latter anyways, our "attacks" after mikel came off was more than clear an indication of how important it is to have a ball winner. dont get me wrong, if we had someone like lamps/bison/ballack in place of cesc, and then made the sub of mikel out, hazard in, it would have seemed well. putting cesc in the mid was always going to result in mid getting over run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 anyways, our "attacks" after mikel came off was more than clear an indication of how important it is to have a ball winner. dont get me wrong, if we had someone like lamps/bison/ballack in place of cesc, and then made the sub of mikel out, hazard in, it would have seemed well. putting cesc in the mid was always going to result in mid getting over run.Fair enough but we disagree on how good a ball winning mid Mikel is.Also there are other ways to win the ball back - pushing your def line up (zouma is used to play ball winning) of with other type of players like Ramires etcI just did not find the attempt, the strategy change wrong. He had to try and incur into risk because of the little time left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 With his appearance last night, Mikel moved into the top 25 appearance makers ever for Chelsea. Pretty impressive. Amblève. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 With his appearance last night, Mikel moved into the top 25 appearance makers ever for Chelsea. Pretty impressive.Not Chelsea quality, though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Needs to start vs Liverpool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Against WHU, one of the better games (as a sub) I've seen of him lately and still far from good enough IMO.He had one good pass to Eden on the left and everything else was the same bureaucratic drivel I expect from him. We were a man down and he - rightfully so - moved up the pitch (prob instructed to do so), but then as always he was completely ineffective going forward.No I do not expect him to dribble past 2 players and score, but I do expect him to try to assist, try to shoot from outside the box, or make a run just to confuse the markers. He doesn't do any of that though; no shots attempted for a guy who had so much of the football and was under no pressure - opponents know about his attacking numbers.Mikel and Ramires as CMs is just sad... They just don't produce anything going forward and the attacking players suffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Against WHU, one of the better games (as a sub) I've seen of him lately and still far from good enough IMO.He had one good pass to Eden on the left and everything else was the same bureaucratic drivel I expect from him. We were a man down and he - rightfully so - moved up the pitch (prob instructed to do so), but then as always he was completely ineffective going forward.No I do not expect him to dribble past 2 players and score, but I do expect him to try to assist, try to shoot from outside the box, or make a run just to confuse the markers. He doesn't do any of that though; no shots attempted for a guy who had so much of the football and was under no pressure - opponents know about his attacking numbers.Mikel and Ramires as CMs is just sad... They just don't produce anything going forward and the attacking players suffer.What is it with you and Mikel? I have a feeling you'd kick him in the shin if you ever met him. Amblève. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 What is it with you and Mikel? I have a feeling you'd kick him in the shin if you ever met him.Not at all - nothing personal. Just think he is a lousy footballer. And these days I even question whether a playyer such as mikel is even needed as all top clubs don't employ them any more.And to be honest it's not like I say 'mikel sucks!' But rather give very specific reasons why I believe he is insufficient - thought his 600 odd minutes in epl in our winning season was reason enough (that he isn't good enough to play).Also I did Not say he was the reason we lost today - no single player is. And ivanovic did not play against WHU. DYC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Not at all - nothing personal. Just think he is a lousy footballer. And these days I even question whether a playyer such as mikel is even needed as all top clubs don't employ them any more.And to be honest it's not like I say 'mikel sucks!' But rather give very specific reasons why I believe he is insufficient - thought his 600 odd minutes in epl in our winning season was reason enough (that he isn't good enough to play).Also I did Not say he was the reason we lost today - no single player is. And ivanovic did not play against WHU. I agree with you a lot of times, I'm not exactly a fan of Mikel either (understatement), and I find it very funny how Mikel pushes your buttons. You respectfully rip him to shreds. robsblubot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 @Robguima, I really like you as a poster on here, but mate, you're honestly starting to drift into PhillDriver territory with this Mikel obsession of yours! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 @Robguima, I really like you as a poster on here, but mate, you're honestly starting to drift into PhillDriver territory with this Mikel obsession of yours! Heh fair enough Though I am actually satisfied that he hardly plays. My dumbfoundedness relates to why we have him in the roster - Mikel is a solution in search of a problem that Chelsea fc don't have.See if I buy into the burned out idea caused by little to no rotation, then I look at the roster and understand why we do not rotate.I recur because it is a recurring problem - not Mikel himself but him not being the type of player we need (to rotate). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroey 2,525 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Mikel's ultimate Chelsea:DrogbaHazard J.Cole WillianLamps EssienCole JT Carvalho FerreiraCechhttp://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2015/11/27/17760322/drogba-terry-in-robben-makelele-out-mikel-picks-his-ultimate/gfx-mikels-dream-xi/13#photo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y10edn 185 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 not sure of Ferreira and Robben should be over Joe Cole, it seems Mikel would make a good coach must be the reason we've kept him so long to understudy 8 top managers in 10 Years nachikethas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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