Timo Werner

[Milan 17,859]

1 hour ago, Jas said:

That's Rachel Brookes, right? Why is she plastic lady? 

Rachel is fine. This is Natalie Pinkham. I noticed she was also into English football. She was blatantly seducing Leclerc of all drivers at one point 😄

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Milan said:

Rachel is fine. This is Natalie Pinkham. I noticed she was also into English football. She was blatantly seducing Leclerc of all drivers at one point 😄

LOL She must be trying to get murdered by Charlotte... 

[Warning_Hazard 156]

1 hour ago, Mana said:

No excuses this season.

He has a PL season under his belt with 2 European trophies.

It's time for him to show up and not stink hard in front of goal.

But after seeing him in the Spuds pre-season and SC, chances are he's not going to improve. May have to start thinking of selling the guy.

Yet youve given lukaku all the excuses in the world and hes played more prem AND werner is a winger!

 

[Jype 6,398]

2 hours ago, Warning_Hazard said:

werner is a winger!

He's not though. He's a forward who's being played on the wing because he's not good enough to lead the line by himself.

[Warning_Hazard 156]

13 minutes ago, Jype said:

He's not though. He's a forward who's being played on the wing because he's not good enough to lead the line by himself.

According to you 1 season of being crap doesnt make the man, Your math is alien to me.

He can have 3 seasons before we judge him, using your lukaku manual

Werner plays out wide ffs

[Superblue 6,370]

19 minutes ago, Jype said:

He's not though. He's a forward who's being played on the wing because he's not good enough to lead the line by himself.

I wouldn't say it's because he's not good enough to lead the line by himself, I think it's that the strengths of his game and probably his personal preference isn't to lead the line by himself. No different to someone like Rashford to be honest.

[Jase 43,479]

33 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I wouldn't say it's because he's not good enough to lead the line by himself, I think it's that the strengths of his game and probably his personal preference isn't to lead the line by himself. No different to someone like Rashford to be honest.

The reason that made the club bought Werner in the first place was because the good work that he did was in a front 2/3 and alongside a #9 at Leipzig. He mentioned it just the other day when asked about Lukaku.

And okay, Havertz isn't a #9 but the few times they played together upfront late last season was promising. 

 

[OneMoSalah 8,781]

Big season coming up. Has to perform or will be out the door next summer. No excuses now with Lukaku coming in. 

[Jype 6,398]

5 hours ago, Warning_Hazard said:

According to you 1 season of being crap doesnt make the man, Your math is alien to me.

He can have 3 seasons before we judge him, using your lukaku manual

Werner plays out wide ffs

I didn't say Werner is not good enough to play in the team, quite the contrary really. Despite all the memes and banter I've fully stood by Werner and value his contribution a lot even though so far he's been shite at scoring goals, but that doesn't change the fact that as a leading striker he's not been anywhere near good enough. He's at his best when he plays alongside another striker so he can make use of his best asset and run at defenders, but if he's played up front by himself he gets marked out of the game by the oppositions big strong CBs. I could see Werner benefiting a lot from Lukaku's arrival.

In Tuchel's 3-4-3 there are no wingers btw.

Edited August 12, 2021 by Jype

[OneMoSalah 8,781]

33 minutes ago, Jype said:

I didn't say Werner is not good enough to play in the team, quite the contrary really. Despite all the memes and banter I've fully stood by Werner and value his contribution a lot even though so far he's been shite at scoring goals, but that doesn't change the fact that as a leading striker he's not been anywhere near good enough. He's at his best when he plays alongside another striker so he can make use of his best asset and run at defenders, but if he's played up front by himself he gets marked out of the game by the oppositions big strong CBs. I could see Werner benefiting a lot from Lukaku's arrival.

In Tuchel's 3-4-3 there are no wingers btw.

Tbf I am frustrated by the “he is best when playing with a striker” or “when playing as a second striker” etc.

Personally, if your a goalscorer like he is, to only get 4 or 6 PL goals in your first season when you’ve scored over 100 goals in Germany in recent seasons, you have to do better. Even more so considering the 2 barren spells and the huge volume of sitters he missed that I think we’d all probably fancy ourselves at scoring…. I remember the shit Morata got in the second half of his first year and it is odd the difference now for Timo but lets see how it goes this season. 

The excuses will only last so long, if he doesn’t do it this season regularly instead of in fits and bursts every couple of months nobody can say anything. Even this “so he can run at people thing playing off a CF”, he played on the left hand side when Tammy was in the team with Frank and basically was as good as another RB for the opposition because he did nothing. 

This is why we needed a top CF, because he couldn’t be counted on to put the big chances away like others also. 

[Jype 6,398]

18 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Tbf I am frustrated by the “he is best when playing with a striker” or “when playing as a second striker” etc.

Personally, if your a goalscorer like he is, to only get 4 or 6 PL goals in your first season when you’ve scored over 100 goals in Germany in recent seasons, you have to do better. Even more so considering the 2 barren spells and the huge volume of sitters he missed that I think we’d all probably fancy ourselves at scoring…. I remember the shit Morata got in the second half of his first year and it is odd the difference now for Timo but lets see how it goes this season. 

The excuses will only last so long, if he doesn’t do it this season regularly instead of in fits and bursts every couple of months nobody can say anything. Even this “so he can run at people thing playing off a CF”, he played on the left hand side when Tammy was in the team with Frank and basically was as good as another RB for the opposition because he did nothing. 

This is why we needed a top CF, because he couldn’t be counted on to put the big chances away like others also. 

Well, I can only speak for myself but I consider to team play significantly better football (and in my opinion get better results) when Werner plays. Last season, even if he didn't score a lot himself, he still created a lot of goals by running at defenders and passing in the box for someone else to score an easy tap-in.

If I didn't know about Werner's prolific goalscoring record in the Bundesliga and only saw him for what he produced last season I'd have been reasonably happy with the output (close to 30 G+A overall). But knowing he's previously shown what it takes to score +30 goals a season he's been a slightly frustrating figure to watch.

Be interesting to see whether Tuchel now figures out a way to get Werner firing when playing together with Lukaku, or if the arrival of Romelu will drop him to the bench and he has to play the role of an impact sub.

[Magic Lamps 11,664]

26 minutes ago, Jype said:

Well, I can only speak for myself but I consider to team play significantly better football (and in my opinion get better results) when Werner plays. Last season, even if he didn't score a lot himself, he still created a lot of goals by running at defenders and passing in the box for someone else to score an easy tap-in.

If I didn't know about Werner's prolific goalscoring record in the Bundesliga and only saw him for what he produced last season I'd have been reasonably happy with the output (close to 30 G+A overall). But knowing he's previously shown what it takes to score +30 goals a season he's been a slightly frustrating figure to watch.

Be interesting to see whether Tuchel now figures out a way to get Werner firing when playing together with Lukaku, or if the arrival of Romelu will drop him to the bench and he has to play the role of an impact sub.

Honestly, I would still be frustrated with him. The chances he missed vs Leeds, West Ham, Real to name a few are so ridiculously guilt edged that anyone should be expected to score these. Apart from Torres and Morata, no other striker at this club has missed this many 100% chances in sucha  short timeframe.

You got a point about the football tho. He is our only player who makes long deeps runs off the ball and dregs defenders away at maximum pace. His off the ball movement is what enables a lot of our attacks. Just look at the last 2 goals we scored. both time he makes the run to the left, the defender follows and everything opens up.

[robsblubot 3,513]

7 hours ago, Jase said:

The reason that made the club bought Werner in the first place was because the good work that he did was in a front 2/3 and alongside a #9 at Leipzig. He mentioned it just the other day when asked about Lukaku.

And okay, Havertz isn't a #9 but the few times they played together upfront late last season was promising. 

 

don't know why he's so happy. He will play a lot less next season (same for Pulisic).

Many times the attack will be Mount, Lukaku, and Kai

[Warning_Hazard 156]

3 hours ago, Jype said:

I didn't say Werner is not good enough to play in the team, quite the contrary really. Despite all the memes and banter I've fully stood by Werner and value his contribution a lot even though so far he's been shite at scoring goals, but that doesn't change the fact that as a leading striker he's not been anywhere near good enough. He's at his best when he plays alongside another striker so he can make use of his best asset and run at defenders, but if he's played up front by himself he gets marked out of the game by the oppositions big strong CBs. I could see Werner benefiting a lot from Lukaku's arrival.

In Tuchel's 3-4-3 there are no wingers btw.

Yes you did hence why im defending him.

You chat alot of crap dude hahahaha

You said hes a number 9 in all

Deary me

Youre going on my ignore list!

[Jase 43,479]

54 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

don't know why he's so happy. He will play a lot less next season (same for Pulisic).

Many times the attack will be Mount, Lukaku, and Kai

While I do think his minutes will be lower than last season (he was second on the outfield player list), we don't know for sure what Tuchel has said to the others, do we?

Given we have so many games this season and if we want to go far in every competition, rotation is gonna be key. There's really no need to be running players into the ground (e.g. Mount). Plus, Tuchel is known to rotate here and there to suit the opposition, match etc. 

Given how important Werner has been to Tuchel in the way we play, doubt he's just gonna toss him aside even if we've gotten Lukaku. He's versatile enough to play in different positions that Tuchel should be able to mix and match accordingly.

Tuchel has also said he doesn't want to close the doors on the players that are already in the squad because he believes they can/will improve this season.

[NikkiCFC 8,001]

1 hour ago, robsblubot said:

don't know why he's so happy. He will play a lot less next season (same for Pulisic).

Many times the attack will be Mount, Lukaku, and Kai

Tuchel said: "He was the kind of profile that loves to play with his back towards the opponent's goal, who likes to hold the ball and create space for Kai Havertz, for Timo Werner, for Christian Pulisic, who love to play around him. 

[Vesper 28,934]

1 hour ago, Warning_Hazard said:

Yes you did hence why im defending him.

You chat alot of crap dude hahahaha

You said hes a number 9 in all

Deary me

Youre going on my ignore list!

 

I have had you blocked for ages and now see (as your dross stills show up when people quote reply to you) that your gobby arse is back to pollute this board once again with sub-room temperature IQ ramblings, all backed up with a particularly pathetic type of aggressively anti-social Billy Big Bollocks posturing.

Apparently I can still reply to you, so here it goes!

 

To a cleverclogs wanker (pro-tip, that is you m8),

You are, without a doubt, the worst, most ill-informed football poster on TC for my entire time here, as well as being a True Cunt© of a person.

You literally are a prime example of the the Dunning-Kruger effect, a type of cognitive bias in which people like you believe that they are smarter and more capable than they really are.

Essentially, low ability, low intelligence people such as yourself do not possess the skills needed to recognize their own incompetence.

Your combination of poor self-awareness and low cognitive ability leads you to overestimate your own capabilities and knowledge base.

In short, you are simply too dull a knife to realise you could not slice warm butter, yet you think you are a industrial diamond gang saw blade, capable of cutting though stone.

You cannot even spell Timmy Mallett correctly on your own bloody profile. 

 

 <<< FAIL   

 

 

Warning_Hazard = Peak of 'Mount Stupid' Stage

 

TTFN,

Vesper

Edited August 12, 2021 by Vesper

[LAM09 6,762]

1 hour ago, robsblubot said:

don't know why he's so happy. He will play a lot less next season (same for Pulisic).

Many times the attack will be Mount, Lukaku, and Kai

I think he'll relish playing alongside another CF (should Tuchel field them both) instead of playing alone. He regularly played with Poulsen at Leipzing IIRC.