Rambo 1,729 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Ballack and Mata are heavily misplaced, they don't belong in top 20. But what can you expect from a list which includes Torres.agreed. I wonder where Kalou ranks in this, he deserves to be higher than Torres at least... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kez 2,727 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 In the magazine only players from 1-20 are in order the rest are listed alphabetically. So no idea where Torres being listed 39 has come from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amblève. 4,995 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Good lord, the list really is fucked up. It's just the Top 20 and there's much wrong, even a blind person could see it. Typical "Who did have the biggest penis in the last couple of years?"-voting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klopfzeichen 78 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 I hope Gronkjaer is in the list. He's the reason for Roman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 He was great, but didn't play enough games for us to be considered a top all-time player IMO. (4.5 seasons).He had 216 appearances for the club. Should be more than justify his place in the Top 15 and he was vital to our defensive solidity under Mourinho.And I'm very surprised to see Mata in No.15! Gotta say the list does look a bit crap!Also, here's why, to me, Lampard beats Drogba hands-down. It's difficult to compare people from different eras, but Lampard and Drogba played the same time.Games-Lampard 572, Drogba-341Goals-Lampard 189, Drogba-157Assists-Lampard-120, Drogba-71Chelsea player of year, Lampard-3, Drogba-1PFA team of the year, Lampard 3-, Drogba-2Just don't see how Drogba beats Lampard when Lampard was better and better for significantly longer for us.His penalty in Munich played a huge part in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Give it 10 years and we look back on this list, it will be very weird. I expect Oscar to be number 1, as i think he has a huge future ahead of him, i think he's the type of player we will do well to keep on to. Nice to see Jimmy Floyd up there too.I have to say though, Makalele has to be higher and i don't know how Essien never made the list.He was great, but didn't play enough games for us to be considered a top all-time player IMO. (4.5 seasons).Also, here's why, to me, Lampard beats Drogba hands-down. It's difficult to compare people from different eras, but Lampard and Drogba played the same time.Games-Lampard 572, Drogba-341Goals-Lampard 189, Drogba-157Assists-Lampard-120, Drogba-71Chelsea player of year, Lampard-3, Drogba-1PFA team of the year, Lampard 3-, Drogba-2Just don't see how Drogba beats Lampard when Lampard was better and better for significantly longer for us.You're using stats to get your point across about it?, without Drogba we wouldn't of scored most of the goals we did whilest we had him, I'm not joking, although he might not be on the assist, or goals list, but he had a major part to play in most of them goals. Always making space for other players, or playing a great pass to one player for them to pass it to the other and goes on to be a goal.He's also the man who won us the Champions League, everyone played a huge part in it, but it was Drogba who kept saving our arses, he's the Chelsea god. And for me he has to be our best player.Lampard will always go down as one of the best, but i don't think he will be the very best, i don't think Drogs will either, and I'm talking about the next 10 years here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 I think in a few years, Drogba might not even be considered top-5. He had two fantastic years at Chelsea and was named Chelsea Player of the Year only once. Some of this is that Roman kept trying to bring in new strikers to displace Drogba so his games went up and down, but in Drogba's 8 years at Chelsea, he had a number of poor seasons. Drogba is undoubtedly a Chelsea legend and one of our greats, but I think his incredible form in the CL last year meant he left on a high that is still influencing people.Drogba was quality when he first came in (i don't literally mean his first game), he wasn't a goal machine, but goals came with him. That's not the striker he is, he's always been a team player, and when he was in the team the team scored goals, down to him. You're disrespecting him way too much, he's a Chelsea legend through and through.How many cups has Drogba won us?, the amount of winners and equalises in cup finals he's scored is scary, down to him we've won so many cups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Drogba was quality when he first came in (i don't literally mean his first game), he wasn't a goal machine, but goals came with him. That's not the striker he is, he's always been a team player, and when he was in the team the team scored goals, down to him. You're disrespecting him way too much, he's a Chelsea legend through and through.How many cups has Drogba won us?, the amount of winners and equalises in cup finals he's scored is scary, down to him we've won so many cups.Toronto Chelsea is not disrespecting Drogba just discrediting. The word respect is thrown around too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Toronto Chelsea is not disrespecting Drogba just discrediting. The word respect is thrown around too much.Okay Captain obvious, so lets just forget what the big man did for us in the Champions League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Okay Captain obvious, so lets just forget what the big man did for us in the Champions League.Okay, Captain Deluded when did I write that Drogba's achievements should be forgotten? Where did I write that? Please tell me, because I can't seem to read it anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Okay, Captain Deluded when did I write that Drogba's achievements should be forgotten? Where did I write that? Please tell me, because I can't seem to read it anywhere.Since you're on his side, go downgrade our Chelsea legends some more, heck I'll go make a thread for you where you and all your other friends can all go on and downgrade them as much as you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Since you're on his side, go downgrade our Chelsea legends some more, heck I'll go make a thread for you where you and all your other friends can all go on and downgrade them as much as you want.You didn't answer my question. Where did I disrespect or downgrade our legends? Where? I can't see it written anywhere on these forums and damn website. You know why I can't read it? Because it wasn't written. You're pulling things out of your arse. Go troll someone else, I'm sick of your bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 You didn't answer my question. Where did I disrespect or downgrade our legends? Where? I can't see it written anywhere on these forums and damn website. You know why I can't read it? Because it wasn't written. You're pulling things out of your arse. Go troll someone else, I'm sick of your bullshit.Now you're just being stupid, Didier is a great legend, you can't say he isn't. He deserves to be number one, and that's my opinion, you have to learn to respect it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,489 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Okay Captain obvious, so lets just forget what the big man did for us in the Champions League.Drogba single-handedly won us a lot of trophies but is he the greatest Chelsea player Ever? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Not true. Lamps was our best player offensively and the star man in the periods 2003-2006 and 2007-2009. That can't be forgotten.Stats wise yes, that can't be disputed and the stats previously posted show Lampard's as more impressive than Drogba's. That being said, anyone watching Chelsea over that time period and for the entire duration of his Chelses career knows that Drogba was always about far more than stats. His contribution to our way of playing could never be measured in stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Drogba single-handedly won us a lot of trophies but is he the greatest Chelsea player Ever? No.I think he is, Drogba is unplayable, what don't people understand about that?.Lampard was a great player but it's not fair to say he was our best player, I think Gerrard has been better than Lampard overall if I'm honest.Drogba is one of them where he was the best in the world at what he did and where he played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kezza 1,965 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Where did RDM and Eddie Newton stand in the top 100? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kez 2,727 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Where did RDM and Eddie Newton stand in the top 100?The rest of the list was alphabetical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 How many cups has Drogba won us?, the amount of winners and equalises in cup finals he's scored is scary, down to him we've won so many cups.None. No one player wins a cup. It's a team game. Look at the CL. Drogba's goal got us into penalties. But we don't get to penalties without Cech standing on his head, without Cole, Mikel, and everyone putting in a fantastic defensive effort. (and without some luck). We don't even get to Munich without Ramires scoring, without Lampard setting him up beautifully and with a heroic defensive effort by everyone. We don't get past Benfica without Kalou and Meireles scoring. We don't get past Napoli without Ivanovic's goal and without a total team dominance in the home leg. That's the way football works. It's a team game. Drogba scored some immense goals for us, he is definitely one of our best players ever, but he also had some bad periods. He was viewed as a disappointment when he first came. He was missing lots of chances and diving all the time. In the league, he scored 8 or fewer goals three times in 8 years. He got sent off for a stupid red in Moscow that could very well have cost us the Champions' League. Again, Drogba is a Chelsea legend, but if you look at the numbers (yes, stats!) there's simply no way you can justify picking him as #1. And as for the other stuff, you don't think Lampard created goals for his teammates? You don't think Zola created space? You don't think someone like Terry has brought intangible values to the team? And it's not just the statistics. It's how people thought of him. Drogba was Chelsea's best player once in his entire career. Four different Chelsea players in the past 20 years have won it multiple times including two players that were contemporaries of Drogba.. I don't even see what the argument for Drogba is for #1 overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 4,400 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 I liked Ballack but 11 is too high, in fact it's way too high. I think it's been voted like best player to play for Chelsea rather than best player for Chelsea if you know what i mean. Drogba is deserving of top spot though because of all his final goals. All the trophies we won went through this guy. Mr reliable. Oh and he abused Arsenal on a truly huge scale! Torres on that list is shameful. Mark Stein, John Spencer and Paul Furlong did more for us than Torres. If Torres is on it, Mutu might be 40th! (Loved the coke head btw, shame about him). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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