Jorginho

[The Skipper 20,593]

Best performance in 2020. Might be worth keeping around for just these types of games where we'll obviously dominate the ball. 

As long as he has Silva and Zouma behind him it might work well. 

[Fernando 6,537]

Agreed, when there's no pressure in the ball we need these type of players in the team. 

Good game and hopefully he can keep it up. 

[NikkiCFC 8,122]

Don't let him go to Arse! 

[Jase 43,479]

  On 03/10/2020 at 16:56, Fernando said:

Agreed, when there's no pressure in the ball we need these type of players in the team.

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But how many teams will give him all the space and time? How many games will he get that freedom? Generally, anyone can shine if you give them the time and space.

[Blue Armour 4,369]

  On 03/10/2020 at 13:53, Jason said:

It would be nice if every team starts to play 4-4-2 like Palace did today. 

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lol...exactly. When I saw Palace's lineup at the start, I was thinking to myself that its been ages since we've faced 4-4-2. 

More often than not, its been some clone of Antonio Conte's 3 at the back formation. Even Mourinho resorted to it in the league cup game.

[Stats 7,083]

  On 03/10/2020 at 21:30, Jason said:

But how many teams will give him all the space and time? How many games will he get that freedom? Generally, anyone can shine if you give them the time and space.

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Loads of teams will. Because too many teams will be focused on containing our attacking force so they won't want to press and leave gaps, so generally Jorginho will dominate most games he plays, especially at home.

[Jase 43,479]

  On 03/10/2020 at 23:25, Stats said:

Loads of teams will. Because too many teams will be focused on containing our attacking force so they won't want to press and leave gaps, so generally Jorginho will dominate most games he plays, especially at home.

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In theory, that may happen but we won't know for sure until we play more teams/games. Not every team is gonna be as obliging as Hodgson's Palace - sitting back with two banks of four and not bothered to press aggressively etc. 

And we saw what happened at Spurs in midweek. In the first half, Spurs just sat off us, defended deep and Jorginho and Kovacic looked comfortable and we controlled the game but in the second half, when they started to be more aggressive and press higher up the field, those two struggled. 

[BXL70 396]

Jorginho is not world-class but I hope we won't sell him or loan it out. We will have many games to play this season, almost 2 games a week on average and we'll need him to rotate with Kovacic, Kanté, and if injuries the situation could be worst. Instead loan out RLC.

 

[Stats 7,083]

  On 04/10/2020 at 06:27, Jason said:

In theory, that may happen but we won't know for sure until we play more teams/games. Not every team is gonna be as obliging as Hodgson's Palace - sitting back with two banks of four and not bothered to press aggressively etc. 

And we saw what happened at Spurs in midweek. In the first half, Spurs just sat off us, defended deep and Jorginho and Kovacic looked comfortable and we controlled the game but in the second half, when they started to be more aggressive and press higher up the field, those two struggled. 

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Yep, but I think he has shown enough in his time here that he is a really valuable squad player. We don't have anyone like him who can dictate the game the way he does so comfortably. For instance last season when we were 1-0 down to Arsenal last season and we couldn't get control of the game as we had no one who was assured in possession. Lamps brought Jorginho on during the first half and as soon as he came on, he changed that game. We controlled it. Would be ludicrous to let him go.

[YorkshireBlue 3,175]

Kinda funny to read how shit he is and he shouldn't be playing here, then a sniff of another club and its the complete opposite lmao.

[Magic Lamps 11,677]

  On 04/10/2020 at 11:57, BluesMadLad said:

Kinda funny to read how shit he is and he shouldn't be playing here, then a sniff of another club and its the complete opposite lmao.

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tbf most of our players are extremely inconsistent and people in general search for simple solutions so alternating between "he is shit, sell him" and "we must keep him, he is useful" is quite a natural reaction. So lets not be too judgemental here. I think it is fair to say that Jorginho is quite good at what he does but overall rather limited so there will be games where he is completely useless and some where he will be bossing it. Given we did not bring a mdifielder and loaned out a few it would be madness to sell him right now, esp to a rival but at the same time we have to be looking out for a long-term upgrade.

[NikkiCFC 8,122]

Jorginho-Kante

Jorginho-Kovacic

Or even in 4-3-3 with one player deeper...

Everything looks better than Kova-Kante for some reason.

[MoroccanBlue 5,322]

  On 04/10/2020 at 15:36, NikkiCFC said:

Everything looks better than Kova-Kante for some reason.

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Because Jorginho is an actual holding midfielder. 

[Vesper 29,466]

  On 04/10/2020 at 16:14, MoroccanBlue said:

Because Jorginho is an actual holding midfielder. 

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who slows up play to a walking pace far too often and is suspect defensively

[R2D2 368]

Definitely wouldn't lose sleep if he left us, I though it was pretty classless from him not to give the penalty to Werner to get his monkey of his back and score his first PL goal, it was already 3-0 up.

[NikkiCFC 8,122]

  On 05/10/2020 at 01:23, R2D2 said:

Definitely wouldn't lose sleep if he left us, I though it was pretty classless from him not to give the penalty to Werner to get his monkey of his back and score his first PL goal, it was already 3-0 up.

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lol you just created the situation that did not even exist. Abraham wanted to take penalty from Jorgi and Lamps said after the game all you need to know. He would be upset if Jorgi gave that penalty to anyone.

[R2D2 368]

  On 05/10/2020 at 01:36, NikkiCFC said:

lol you just created the situation that did not even exist. Abraham wanted to take penalty from Jorgi and Lamps said after the game all you need to know. He would be upset if Jorgi gave that penalty to anyone.

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I didn't create anything, he is like 2nd or 3rd in captaincy hierarchy, he obvious knew the score was 3-0 and it was already won, you'd expect him to hand it to someone that needs a confidence boost yet took it like a shameless guy to inflate his count. Lampard can say that after the game but I highly doubt he would be angry or upset if Jorginho let someone else take it at that score, he didn't seem to mind when Barkley took the ball and missed a penalty last season against Valencia I think.

[Jase 43,479]

  On 05/10/2020 at 01:36, NikkiCFC said:

lol you just created the situation that did not even exist. Abraham wanted to take penalty from Jorgi and Lamps said after the game all you need to know. He would be upset if Jorgi gave that penalty to anyone.

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Would Lampard be upset had Jorginho given the penalty to someone else at 3-0 up with minutes to go? This was someone who gave a penalty to Drogba, in a similar situation to Saturday's although it was 4-0 back then, so that he could try and win the Golden Boot in the 8-0 win against Wigan.

Think Lampard's main problem was that Abraham decided to take the penalty himself by taking the ball immediately. It didn't look as if he discussed it with Jorginho or was given the opportunity by Jorginho to take it, hence why Azpi stepped in and Lampard said players shouldn't be jumping ahead of the queue. 

It was kinda disappointing to see that Jorginho didn't give Werner the chance to take it but it was arguably even more disappointing when Abraham decided to take the penalty himself (even if he did jump ahead of the queue as Lampard alluded to), think Werner asked him if he could take it but was turned down. Talk about team goals there, eh?