Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

[Fulham Broadway 16,837]

17 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

He was one penalty away from winning his first trophy and looks to be on course making another final in the same season. Conte also had a horrid record in cup competitions and that changed. 

So long you have winners in the squad, it shouldn't be an issue. 

Lets hope he doesnt have a heart attack if he wins something

[Vesper 28,786]

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

You or I could give a good anti-Sariball quote. Don't know if you were a Chelsea fan under Blanchflower ? Think you are too young  but he was shite. (RIP) . We won 3 out of 15 games. 

 

 

he managed us 13 years before I was born, so nope, other than old videos I would have no idea, although my father said he was a shit manager, so there's that, lolol

[Antonio8 736]

interesting things in his press conference 

[1905didierblue 748]

3 hours ago, Antonio8 said:

 his teams have identity, are well organized and play very offensive football. most of the players he trained in the past reached their pick under him. 

 

we are 6th. last year were 5th. it's the actual dimension of the club

despite that it's only 1-2 points from the 4th place so I prefer to judge at the end of the season 

 

 

Identity? Hahaha

Well organized ? Hahahahahahahahah

Very offensive? Do you mean boring, pedantic football with no output?

We were 1st before that. Don't you dare forget that too. That's the difference that an actual world class manager can make. Not make a good team look like a mid table club

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,296]

Let's not use 2017 title win as a reference. We benefited massively not being in Europe and City+Liverpool weren't anything close to the animals they are now. 

Conte is better tactically however. You put Conte, Sarri, and even Guardiola to manage Burnley, no question Conte would do better than those two. 

 

[Antonio8 736]

29 minutes ago, bakayokofan said:

Identity? Hahaha

Well organized ? Hahahahahahahahah

Very offensive? Do you mean boring, pedantic football with no output?

We were 1st before that. Don't you dare forget that too. That's the difference that an actual world class manager can make. Not make a good team look like a mid table club

 

I talk about the teams he trained in the past, and if you don't know anything about italian serie A maybe you should not laugh 

1st before that. and 10th before that

 

[1905didierblue 748]

Not being in Europe helped. But let's be realistic. If Eden, Kante, luiz, Rudi, azpi, kepa, jorginho did not play a single minute of Europa so far, would not we be in the same exact position we are in Europa? With all due respect to the teams we have faced so far, our squad players and even the fringe youngsters like ampadu should have been more than good enough till this point.

Fair point about pool and city, but don't think they will be setting up any points tally records this season

[Duppy Conqueror 1,494]

we are kinda run like an Italian club..coach picks the team others pick the players to buy,club loans the shit out of anyone under 26..still classed as a young player with no need to replace them until they are around the 33 year old range.

can see why the club is attracted to Italian coaches but it`s not good to utilize the great young talent we have on our books. the club doesn`t help with them having the history they do of being ruthless and sacking 1 bad season removed from a league title and such but really I`m not sure even if they were told don`t worry about winning major trophies every year,build something for the future that they would really give under 25`s a fair run of games.

I`m not expecting it but I think we could do with throwing out the must have an impressive CV to be a candidate (I know it could be argued we did with hiring Sarri) and think outside the box,try and avoid coaches that have won with one formula.those often can have a better looking CV but look at what Low did with Germany,Southgate has done with England,Zidane with Real,OGS with Man U none of those would have had the best CV of those available.they have replaced coaches with better CV`s but had better results, they can come in and simplify things,some coaches can over complicate things,make teams rigid,force them to try and play a different way.

 

[1905didierblue 748]

8 minutes ago, Antonio8 said:

I talk about the teams he trained in the past, and if you don't know anything about italian serie A maybe you should not laugh 

1st before that. and 10th before that

 

Italian league. The same league where Alonso and Zappa were considered good players? The same league where higuain had 23 goals last season? 

If you have not checked this is not exactly serie a where you have the title decided before the season begins and the lower clubs are hardly championship level. Sarri's system has been shown to be mega flawed by the likes of wolves and totally ripped apart by others. 

 

1st before that too. 2 league titles in the last 4 seasons. Hmmm. Not bad for a "mid table" club that sarri inherited.

[Antonio8 736]

36 minutes ago, bakayokofan said:

Italian league. The same league where Alonso and Zappa were considered good players? The same league where higuain had 23 goals last season? 

If you have not checked this is not exactly serie a where you have the title decided before the season begins and the lower clubs are hardly championship level. Sarri's system has been shown to be mega flawed by the likes of wolves and totally ripped apart by others. 

 

1st before that too. 2 league titles in the last 4 seasons. Hmmm. Not bad for a "mid table" club that sarri inherited.

 except last year, thanks to sarri's napoli (look how many points has ancelotti's one)

I said that actual chelsea dimension is between 3rd and 6th place, not a mid table club

and the table suggests that, as there are 4 teams in 3 points and chelsea has the possibility to reach the top 4 

[1905didierblue 748]

3 minutes ago, Antonio8 said:

 except last year, thanks to sarri's napoli (look how many points has ancelotti's one)

I said that actual chelsea dimension is between 3rd and 6th place, not a mid table club

and the table suggests that, as there are 4 teams in 3 points and chelsea has the possibility to reach the top 4 

Did not Monaco win the league once? I guess they are the best team ever with the best manager ever?

A manager who has never won and never will win anything is now regarded as a world class or a top tier manager. How far the mighty have fallen.

We all know that the fight was for top 4, and looking we are losing. Badly. Does arsenal have a better squad than us? Hell no, they are comfortable in 3rd. With the easiest run in. We might be just 2 points off top4, but have to play away to pool, ubited and Leicester. We are not getting a single point out of these, and our goal difference is going to take an even further beating. 

Also, stop repeating the "we are 2 points off", at one point we were 6 points ahead of arsenal who are now 2 points ahead of us. That's an 8 point shift. Understand that? While they are going in the right direction, we are falling in the wrong one, and that is the contention here. What are the positives from this season? Did any of our youngsters have a break through season? Are we improving? Are we playing good football? Are we selevting players based on merit? Answer to all of these questions is a sound and resounding NO.

Sarri is clearly out of his depth. He is made for those mickey mouse league and clubs where mediocrity in results is accepted. Nit here. At least not yet.

[1905didierblue 748]

Lingard lukaku dalot

Pogba mctominay Fred

Shaw lindelof Smalling young

How is this line up better than the players we have at our disposal. 

[NikkiCFC 7,942]

3 hours ago, bakayokofan said:

Italian league. The same league where Alonso and Zappa were considered good players? The same league where higuain had 23 goals last season? 

If you have not checked this is not exactly serie a where you have the title decided before the season begins and the lower clubs are hardly championship level. Sarri's system has been shown to be mega flawed by the likes of wolves and totally ripped apart by others. 

 

1st before that too. 2 league titles in the last 4 seasons. Hmmm. Not bad for a "mid table" club that sarri inherited.

I hate Alonso as well but he was voted in EPL team of the season never  in Seria A.

[1905didierblue 748]

1 minute ago, NikkiCFC said:

I hate Alonso as well but he was voted in EPL team of the season never  in Seria A.

While playing the whole season as lwb

[NikkiCFC 7,942]

Just now, bakayokofan said:

While playing the whole season as lwb

Well you said he's not good for EPL. Again, I hate him.

[1905didierblue 748]

10 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Well you said he's not good for EPL. Again, I hate him.

Well, he is as good for PL as Moses is.

And that's what the right tactics and formations do. It gets the best out of bang average players, be it Alonso or Moses or John o Shea or Wes brown. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,296]

Alonso isn't even good at LWB. The moment teams realised they should put pressure on him and Moses, their limited ability vastly showed. 

I was begging for Sandro or an upgrade around February 2017 

[robsblubot 3,502]

3 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Alonso isn't even good at LWB. The moment teams realised they should put pressure on him and Moses, their limited ability vastly showed. 

I was begging for Sandro or an upgrade around February 2017 

beg to differ. What you said applies to pretty much every player and system. Moses also did not have as much an impact as Alonso did... (where in the world is Moses?) Alonso also had quite a few MoTM performances as a LWB, with important goals and assists. While I understand folks are unhappy with him, and his contract extension, he did do well under Conte. Signing a new deal after good performances is not that crazy.

I kinda find it hard to criticise the player when he's consistently poor in a system/position/role, when it is the manager who insists in doing the same and expecting a different result. While I disagree with the notion that everything that is bad with the club is because of the poor FBs, because I think it's about the system, he's definitely not great in that position/role.

Take last game for example: I thought he was OK. Absolutely horrible crossing, as usual, but lovely passing (ironic). One exchange with Eden in particular was pretty impressive, with alonso producing a perfectly weighted throughball back to eden. And he won the header that tied the game... players capable of these key moments are a bit under appreciated around here IMO. Perhaps because we are used to a key player who has not delivered many key moments in CL games for example, but that's a totally different rabbit hole.