Daniele Rugani

[Unionjack 7,531]

Its not the defenders WE want to have us using we should be looking at its the ones that Sarri will be looking at to use.

I'm still really not up to date on the sort of defenders he uses in his style. They seem to be comfortable on the ball and are good passers. So theres got to be a reason why we are being continually linked with various ones.

Its going to be one hellova hard job hes got on his hands when he comes. It might have been worth it not to sack Conte but to make him work out his contract as a number 2 or at least keep him till Sarri has got to know all the lads.

Not feasible I know but it would help us out.

[LAM09 7,043]

Options doesn't equal quality. Upgrading is always welcome.

A 37 year old in Barzagli is preferred to him. His quality is questionable IMO.

In addition, a new manager should see the players at his disposal before going out and buying someone that isn't necessarily going to change our team much. Signing someone like Mertens, despite his age, would make sense.

[akgw13 867]

1 hour ago, LAM09 said:

A 37 year old in Barzagli is preferred to him. His quality is questionable IMO.

In addition, a new manager should see the players at his disposal before going out and buying someone that isn't necessarily going to change our team much. Signing someone like Mertens, despite his age, would make sense.

I'm just gonna play devils advocate here for a second, Rugani(who was/is highly regarded) under Sarri & at Empoli showed his quality(Serie A Team of the season, No Yellow card etc). Mertens without Sarri was a backup thought to be okay, if not unspectacular. Mertens under Sarri has now shown his quality and is playing confidently and brash. 

So in recent years it is shown both players have quality, one is 24 and was highly sought after in a value position. The other is 31, wanted highly now in a value position. 

I would argue that Signing someone like Mertens (who now no longer has his affordable release clause) would make less sense than Rugani. If we believe (its a stretch, i know) that we can get the deal done at 35m Euros for Rugani, and lets say ADL requests 40-45m for Mertens, I would argue that Rugani is the far better bit of business. 

 

To be clear, I am relatively indifferent if Rugani comes. I think we have a strong stable of 1st team and youth CB's so that we wouldnt necessarily need him. But he IS used to Sarri, and Sarri did try to get him at Napoli. As i said, just playing devils advocate.

[LAM09 7,043]

I'm just gonna play devils advocate here for a second, Rugani(who was/is highly regarded) under Sarri & at Empoli showed his quality(Serie A Team of the season, No Yellow card etc). Mertens without Sarri was a backup thought to be okay, if not unspectacular. Mertens under Sarri has now shown his quality and is playing confidently and brash. 
So in recent years it is shown both players have quality, one is 24 and was highly sought after in a value position. The other is 31, wanted highly now in a value position. 
I would argue that Signing someone like Mertens (who now no longer has his affordable release clause) would make less sense than Rugani. If we believe (its a stretch, i know) that we can get the deal done at 35m Euros for Rugani, and lets say ADL requests 40-45m for Mertens, I would argue that Rugani is the far better bit of business. 
 
To be clear, I am relatively indifferent if Rugani comes. I think we have a strong stable of 1st team and youth CB's so that we wouldnt necessarily need him. But he IS used to Sarri, and Sarri did try to get him at Napoli. As i said, just playing devils advocate.

I was just going off what they offer & our need at the current moment whilst putting aside their prices, as it's hard to keep track of supposed clauses that Napoli have in place one minute & expire the next.

However, I'm all for Sarri going for players he solely wants rather than our board dumping him with "the next best thing".

[BlueLyon 9,359]

45 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

 

 

I was just going off what they offer & our need at the current moment whilst putting aside their prices, as it's hard to keep track of supposed clauses that Napoli have in place one minute & expire the next.

However, I'm all for Sarri going for players he solely wants rather than our board dumping him with "the next best thing".

 

Indeed. What if we go for players sarri wants and then he is sacked? 

The club should make a plan of style and identity. Follow that and bring players/coaches that fit the style. 

Back under Mou, we had pragmatic coach, pragmatic match approach and pragmatic players. We had success because the core wad always the same. Players fitted different managers (more or less). And managers fitted the players. 

Going from Conte to Sarri is huge step because many players will be useless in Sarri play. If we bring players that suit Sarri and then go back to Conte/Mou type of manager, it will be another 3 years of transition and no improvement.

I know what you mean, but we should get players (and coach) that match Chelsea ideology. Not just Sarri wishes. 

Sure that goes hand to hand usualy, the club appoints manager that has same vision as the club, but like with Conte, Chelsea wasnt united at all. 

If board has other ideas, dont appoint Sarri at all. 

If we get Sarri, I hope the board realises we have to target players matching to his style, not because of Sarri, but because of new Chelsea ideology. 

If we drop Sarri because he flops, and appoint another defensive manager, our next 2-3 years will be more and more misery

[LAM09 7,043]

 

 

 

Indeed. What if we go for players sarri wants and then he is sacked? 

The club should make a plan of style and identity. Follow that and bring players/coaches that fit the style. 

Back under Mou, we had pragmatic coach, pragmatic match approach and pragmatic players. We had success because the core wad always the same. Players fitted different managers (more or less). And managers fitted the players. 

Going from Conte to Sarri is huge step because many players will be useless in Sarri play. If we bring players that suit Sarri and then go back to Conte/Mou type of manager, it will be another 3 years of transition and no improvement.

I know what you mean, but we should get players (and coach) that match Chelsea ideology. Not just Sarri wishes. 

Sure that goes hand to hand usualy, the club appoints manager that has same vision as the club, but like with Conte, Chelsea wasnt united at all. 

If board has other ideas, dont appoint Sarri at all. 

If we get Sarri, I hope the board realises we have to target players matching to his style, not because of Sarri, but because of new Chelsea ideology. 

If we drop Sarri because he flops, and appoint another defensive manager, our next 2-3 years will be more and more misery

 

We have to hope times are changing. Everyone knows that Roman wants attacking football, so this is certainly a step in the right direction should it happen.

 

Need to stop falling back on Mourinho's ground work when things go bad, if we're to progress as a club going forward.

 

[Unionjack 7,531]

2 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Indeed. What if we go for players sarri wants and then he is sacked? 

The club should make a plan of style and identity. Follow that and bring players/coaches that fit the style. 

Back under Mou, we had pragmatic coach, pragmatic match approach and pragmatic players. We had success because the core wad always the same. Players fitted different managers (more or less). And managers fitted the players. 

Going from Conte to Sarri is huge step because many players will be useless in Sarri play. If we bring players that suit Sarri and then go back to Conte/Mou type of manager, it will be another 3 years of transition and no improvement.

I know what you mean, but we should get players (and coach) that match Chelsea ideology. Not just Sarri wishes. 

Sure that goes hand to hand usualy, the club appoints manager that has same vision as the club, but like with Conte, Chelsea wasnt united at all. 

If board has other ideas, dont appoint Sarri at all. 

If we get Sarri, I hope the board realises we have to target players matching to his style, not because of Sarri, but because of new Chelsea ideology. 

If we drop Sarri because he flops, and appoint another defensive manager, our next 2-3 years will be more and more misery

Thats not Romans way tho is it?

When Drogs said to Roman once 'Why all the different managers' He answered 'Well it works doesn't it' I reckon his thoughts are to keep it fresh and make the manager impress quick. And be content with 1 good cup every 2 years.

But It would make sense to have our own character,style etc and then hire a manager to suit it. But that takes having a manager long enough to develop them.

But having that style of our own wouldn't that mean our opposition knows what to expect and how to set up to beat us? (Thinking out loud)

I would be happy as hell if we played every season like we did Contes 1st year. Or even at a push like this season without Jan & Feb (with a stronger striker)

If Sari can get us playing good football, scoring some goals and a good defense what more could we want? Lets just blinkin hope he gets the backing to make it happen.

[manpe 10,861]

2 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

When Drogs said to Roman once 'Why all the different managers' He answered 'Well it works doesn't it'

You keep bringing this up, but it's almost certain to be made up bullshit.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

This would be a terrible signing, hope this isn't true.

[Unionjack 7,531]

1 hour ago, manpe said:

You keep bringing this up, but it's almost certain to be made up bullshit.

Wasn't me guv honest!

’ Drogba told French radio station RMC.

Didier Drogba reveals what Roman Abramovich said when confronted over Chelsea sackings

https://metro.co.uk/2017/11/14/didier-drogba-reveals-what-roman-abramovich-said-when-confronted-over-chelsea-sackings-7079192/

[manpe 10,861]

Wasn't me guv honest! [emoji6]
’ Drogba told French radio station RMC.

Didier Drogba reveals what Roman Abramovich said when confronted over Chelsea sackings

https://metro.co.uk/2017/11/14/didier-drogba-reveals-what-roman-abramovich-said-when-confronted-over-chelsea-sackings-7079192/

Thanks mate, this looks legit. Didn't know, quite surprising he revealed it.

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[Unionjack 7,531]

9 minutes ago, manpe said:

Thanks mate, this looks legit. Didn't know, quite surprising he revealed it.

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Thought it weird cause Drogs gets on well with him eh.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

3 hours ago, LAM09 said:

 

 

 

 

 

We have to hope times are changing. Everyone knows that Roman wants attacking football, so this is certainly a step in the right direction should it happen.

 

Need to stop falling back on Mourinho's ground work when things go bad, if we're to progress as a club going forward.

 

 

3 hours ago, Unionjack said:

Thats not Romans way tho is it?

When Drogs said to Roman once 'Why all the different managers' He answered 'Well it works doesn't it' I reckon his thoughts are to keep it fresh and make the manager impress quick. And be content with 1 good cup every 2 years.

But It would make sense to have our own character,style etc and then hire a manager to suit it. But that takes having a manager long enough to develop them.

But having that style of our own wouldn't that mean our opposition knows what to expect and how to set up to beat us? (Thinking out loud)

I would be happy as hell if we played every season like we did Contes 1st year. Or even at a push like this season without Jan & Feb (with a stronger striker)

If Sari can get us playing good football, scoring some goals and a good defense what more could we want? Lets just blinkin hope he gets the backing to make it happen.

He wanted the same attacking style with Avb back then. 

We were extremely solid team prior to that. Sure we didnt win CL yet, but we had a crop of players who were tough and big characters. We had one of most powerful squads, but sure our football wasnt as cool.

Then we appointed AVB, decided to bring new philosophy and bought bunch of players like Mata, Marin,...with varioud degrees of success. 

That was when Chelsea decided to move on from effective powerhouses to fancy technical players. 

It backfired big time and we ended up with several pragmatic coaches again, but the squad was never ther the same. We ended up as pragmatic team with kind of fancy players-turned workers, and we even won two titles (and CL, but that was still old guard leading the way). But with this "modern team" we failed spectaculary in europe and twi times ended up without CL. 

Personaly, if we could get another era of 2004-2010, I would take it with both hands.I cant stand players like Morata,...who bitch all the time or gutless Fabregas,...even if it means fancy football. 

Chelsea had identity, maybe not the most pleasant on the eye, but it had its charm. If I wanted to support fancy football, I would start cheering for Barca back in 2005. Dont get me wrong, I like to watch those tricky plays, but it just not Chelsea way. We played some amazing football during old guard era too.

The club right now needs strong, loyal and never give up characters more than fancy football.

[LAM09 7,043]

9 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

 

He wanted the same attacking style with Avb back then. 

We were extremely solid team prior to that. Sure we didnt win CL yet, but we had a crop of players who were tough and big characters. We had one of most powerful squads, but sure our football wasnt as cool.

Then we appointed AVB, decided to bring new philosophy and bought bunch of players like Mata, Marin,...with varioud degrees of success. 

That was when Chelsea decided to move on from effective powerhouses to fancy technical players. 

It backfired big time and we ended up with several pragmatic coaches again, but the squad was never ther the same. We ended up as pragmatic team with kind of fancy players-turned workers, and we even won two titles (and CL, but that was still old guard leading the way). But with this "modern team" we failed spectaculary in europe and twi times ended up without CL. 

Personaly, if we could get another era of 2004-2010, I would take it with both hands.I cant stand players like Morata,...who bitch all the time or gutless Fabregas,...even if it means fancy football. 

Chelsea had identity, maybe not the most pleasant on the eye, but it had its charm. If I wanted to support fancy football, I would start cheering for Barca back in 2005. Dont get me wrong, I like to watch those tricky plays, but it just not Chelsea way. We played some amazing football during old guard era too.

The club right now needs strong, loyal and never give up characters more than fancy football.

Our core players learned how to win under Mourinho and knew what made them effective. That core is no longer present, so we need to start from scratch and instill new values.

Sarri might not be the right man for that, then.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Why are we interested in Rugani though? He didnt develop that much in italy, we should go after Skriniar instead.